sakinago
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Who insisted? Since when was there a discussion with Obamacare? The couple thousand page bill was made behind close doors, then rushed for a vote before anyone had time to read it. There was no discussion. And no one gives a rats ass about the insurance companies. There's no "let's keep the insurance companies around for their sake." That's ridiculous. Those against the ACA have been wanting for decades to free up the healthcare market, and instead there's been regulation after regulation passed. And then the ACA is presented, like it was 100% necessary or all the poor would die, without anyone hearing us out.
Yeah, the problem with "Freeing up the insuarnce market" usually means, 'Let's let the Insurance industry take people's money, and then screw them if they get anything more serious than a cold."
Look, buddy, the left wanted a public option. Instead, they went along with what was essentially national Romney-Care. And the GOP was all for RomneyCare, until the Black Guy Did It.
Check out the 2008 election. Nobody gave Romney any shit about RomneyCare. He got more shit for being a Mormon. By 2012, the Evangelicals didn't care about Mormonism anymore and Romney wouldn't be caught having a drink with his own program.
It's not like free market healthcare systems do not work, like the left looooves to claim.
Hey, buddy, you try to fight with an insurance company some time to get a treatment that your doctor says you need to have, and they don't want to pay for. Then tell me how the "Free Market" works.
The Swiss have a very free and competitive privatized market, that not only provides very high quality AND TIMELY care, it's also quite affordable.
The entire Swiss economy is based on moving other people's money around... and they have universal health care.
What does what YOU think about Swiss economy (surprise, only a small portion of them are bankers and financiers) have anything to do with the conversation? And there’s a big difference between universal healthcare and single payer. Yes it’s universal (like if you own and drive a car in the US, you need car insurance), but it’s a much freer, affordable, customizable, and competitive market...that works extremely well for them. Longer life expectancy, very happy and healthy people, that aren’t looking at a social system that’s on the verge of collapsing.Who insisted? Since when was there a discussion with Obamacare? The couple thousand page bill was made behind close doors, then rushed for a vote before anyone had time to read it. There was no discussion. And no one gives a rats ass about the insurance companies. There's no "let's keep the insurance companies around for their sake." That's ridiculous. Those against the ACA have been wanting for decades to free up the healthcare market, and instead there's been regulation after regulation passed. And then the ACA is presented, like it was 100% necessary or all the poor would die, without anyone hearing us out.
Yeah, the problem with "Freeing up the insuarnce market" usually means, 'Let's let the Insurance industry take people's money, and then screw them if they get anything more serious than a cold."
Look, buddy, the left wanted a public option. Instead, they went along with what was essentially national Romney-Care. And the GOP was all for RomneyCare, until the Black Guy Did It.
Check out the 2008 election. Nobody gave Romney any shit about RomneyCare. He got more shit for being a Mormon. By 2012, the Evangelicals didn't care about Mormonism anymore and Romney wouldn't be caught having a drink with his own program.
It's not like free market healthcare systems do not work, like the left looooves to claim.
Hey, buddy, you try to fight with an insurance company some time to get a treatment that your doctor says you need to have, and they don't want to pay for. Then tell me how the "Free Market" works.
The Swiss have a very free and competitive privatized market, that not only provides very high quality AND TIMELY care, it's also quite affordable.
The entire Swiss economy is based on moving other people's money around... and they have universal health care.
And not many liked Romney, nor his Romney care Mass. policy. Many on the right position was that more regulation is bad, making the ACA VERY BAD. And the left KNEW that they’d never get enough votes to go to single payer despite have a majority in house and senate (as admitted by the author of ACA)...which is why they went with the ACA, as a stepping stone that was never meant to be sustainable. In hopes of coming in with single payer later.
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