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/----/ Libs idea of shit insurance is a policy that doesn't include mammograms and birth control for 50 year old men. And wealthy people paid their own routine Dr visits and held catastrophic policies for emergencies. Obozo said: "Dat no be good. Gotta go with shitty insurance."
Again, when that happy day comes when you have to argue with an insurance company to get treatment you doctor says you need to have, I'm sure you'll have a different opinion about the goodness of insurance companies.
/----/ Oh you mean if everyone had to go out and negotiate for health insurance like they do for auto, home and life insurance? You mean like that?Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.
Well, it's a bit more than "making them promise". MOre like - put in laws saying, This is what you have to cover.
But the contrary to that is to make everyone buy insurance. Otherwise, they'd just buy insurance when they got sick.
You see, Insurance companies have gotten a ride so far because employers and the government handle most of this. If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.
/----/ Libs idea of shit insurance is a policy that doesn't include mammograms and birth control for 50 year old men. And wealthy people paid their own routine Dr visits and held catastrophic policies for emergencies. Obozo said: "Dat no be good. Gotta go with shitty insurance."Do you really believe you have an evenly averaged system you make these claims about ?
There are plenty of situations where results are great for the money spent. And those are matched with some very inefficent and ineffective systems.
We are talking about a country of 325,000,000 people.
Yes, we are. Of those, pre-ACA, 47 of them didn't have health insurance. 25 Million had shit insurance
When you don't have health insurance, you don't see a doctor when you have that pain until that pain becomes unbearable. You don't see one during your pregnancy.
So not surprisingly, a lot of treatable problems don't get treated.
/—-/ it’s complex because of government interference. It was simpler back in the 70s before it was turned into a political football./----/ Oh you mean if everyone had to go out and negotiate for health insurance like they do for auto, home and life insurance? You mean like that?Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.
Well, it's a bit more than "making them promise". MOre like - put in laws saying, This is what you have to cover.
But the contrary to that is to make everyone buy insurance. Otherwise, they'd just buy insurance when they got sick.
You see, Insurance companies have gotten a ride so far because employers and the government handle most of this. If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.
I am not sure that argument works either.
Health insurance is a bit more complex and, the truth is, that we subsidize a great many people in their illnesses.
Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?
Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare paymentsDid you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen."Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.
Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.comObamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?YES YOU ARE!!!!!!
/—-/ It’s settled science that people prefer their healthcare decisions be made by a nameless, faceless, unelected Washington bureaucrats who don’t care if people live or die. As a benefit that bureaucrats gets healthcare from a private insurer paid with tax payers dollars. Settled science.
Did you answer my question ?
Also, there are many people who see the doctor without insurance.
It seems your claims are overgeneralizations.
I am not a fan of our current system which fails to make affordable insurance available.
/—-/ how many bureaucrats does it take to say “treatment denied, go home and die.” I’d say just one per office in fact they could get the janitor to do it.Did you answer my question ?
yes, I did. Did you need someone to explain the big words to you?
Also, there are many people who see the doctor without insurance.
It seems your claims are overgeneralizations.
I am not a fan of our current system which fails to make affordable insurance available.
but what you don't seem to get is WHY it isn't affordable. It comes down to Non-value added costs.
The reason why Single Payer systems work so well is that they have few of those. No team of clerks in every doctor's officer figuring out how to do medical coding for 50 different insurance companies and providers. No CEO's making Nine Figure salaries. No ramping up the costs for paying customers to write off the loses for people who show up in the emergency room with a fake ID.
That current system was put in place by only Democrats in the Congress, Senate and Ex President. They knew it would fail from the start and relied on the "stupid liberal voter" to not hold them accountable, and it worked...Do you really believe you have an evenly averaged system you make these claims about ?
There are plenty of situations where results are great for the money spent. And those are matched with some very inefficent and ineffective systems.
We are talking about a country of 325,000,000 people.
Yes, we are. Of those, pre-ACA, 47 of them didn't have health insurance. 25 Million had shit insurance
When you don't have health insurance, you don't see a doctor when you have that pain until that pain becomes unbearable. You don't see one during your pregnancy.
So not surprisingly, a lot of treatable problems don't get treated.
Did you answer my question ?
Do you really think your claims apply all across the board ?
As to your numbers, I am not sure what point you were hoping to make there. It seems out of place.
Also, there are many people who see the doctor without insurance.
It seems your claims are overgeneralizations.
I am not a fan of our current system which fails to make affordable insurance available.
/----/ Oh you mean if everyone had to go out and negotiate for health insurance like they do for auto, home and life insurance? You mean like that?Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.
Well, it's a bit more than "making them promise". MOre like - put in laws saying, This is what you have to cover.
But the contrary to that is to make everyone buy insurance. Otherwise, they'd just buy insurance when they got sick.
You see, Insurance companies have gotten a ride so far because employers and the government handle most of this. If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.
/—-/ A Porsche 911 is a fundamental right ( pursuit of happiness) I’ll take a red one, thank you very much/----/ Oh you mean if everyone had to go out and negotiate for health insurance like they do for auto, home and life insurance? You mean like that?Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.
Well, it's a bit more than "making them promise". MOre like - put in laws saying, This is what you have to cover.
But the contrary to that is to make everyone buy insurance. Otherwise, they'd just buy insurance when they got sick.
You see, Insurance companies have gotten a ride so far because employers and the government handle most of this. If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.
You don't get it. Health care is a right, just like food and housing and a living wage and basic toiletries, and all these things have to be controlled by government or the rich will eat us. The government will take good care of us because it's WeThePeople and We're never wrong!
Please show me in the Constitution where it is the right to have healthcare or toiletries or a living wage? The rights that are supposed to be protected by the Constitution, is written there to keep the fucking government from FORCING us to do things we aren't required to do. But since the 1/2 white community agitator and the Democrats in the Congress and Senate, they started dismantling those rights. Which is why now President Trump was put in office, to stop the fundamental transformation of the US into a Venezuela. And he is Making America Great again, which you libs will end up benefitting from as usual......I keep saying, if you don't like the capitalist system here, where everyone can achieve the American Dream, why are you still here? Cuba has been opened, the Socialist Utopian Paradise where you will be treated equally, equally poor and equally miserable, with everyone making the same wage except the liberal Castro's.. Go there and leave the rest of US alone, as we don't want your whiney, liberal, petulant, childish, ass here anymore..../----/ Oh you mean if everyone had to go out and negotiate for health insurance like they do for auto, home and life insurance? You mean like that?Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.
Well, it's a bit more than "making them promise". MOre like - put in laws saying, This is what you have to cover.
But the contrary to that is to make everyone buy insurance. Otherwise, they'd just buy insurance when they got sick.
You see, Insurance companies have gotten a ride so far because employers and the government handle most of this. If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.
You don't get it. Health care is a right, just like food and housing and a living wage and basic toiletries, and all these things have to be controlled by government or the rich will eat us. The government will take good care of us because it's WeThePeople and We're never wrong!
Please show me in the Constitution where it is the right to have healthcare or toiletries or a living wage? The rights that are supposed to be protected by the Constitution, is written there to keep the fucking government from FORCING us to do things we aren't required to do. But since the 1/2 white community agitator and the Democrats in the Congress and Senate, they started dismantling those rights. Which is why now President Trump was put in office, to stop the fundamental transformation of the US into a Venezuela. And he is Making America Great again, which you libs will end up benefitting from as usual......I keep saying, if you don't like the capitalist system here, where everyone can achieve the American Dream, why are you still here? Cuba has been opened, the Socialist Utopian Paradise where you will be treated equally, equally poor and equally miserable, with everyone making the same wage except the liberal Castro's.. Go there and leave the rest of US alone, as we don't want your whiney, liberal, petulant, childish, ass here anymore..../----/ Oh you mean if everyone had to go out and negotiate for health insurance like they do for auto, home and life insurance? You mean like that?Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.
Well, it's a bit more than "making them promise". MOre like - put in laws saying, This is what you have to cover.
But the contrary to that is to make everyone buy insurance. Otherwise, they'd just buy insurance when they got sick.
You see, Insurance companies have gotten a ride so far because employers and the government handle most of this. If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.
You don't get it. Health care is a right, just like food and housing and a living wage and basic toiletries, and all these things have to be controlled by government or the rich will eat us. The government will take good care of us because it's WeThePeople and We're never wrong!
/—-/ how many bureaucrats does it take to say “treatment denied, go home and die.” I’d say just one per office in fact they could get the janitor to do it.
That current system was put in place by only Democrats in the Congress, Senate and Ex President. They knew it would fail from the start and relied on the "stupid liberal voter" to not hold them accountable, and it worked...
You don't get it. Health care is a right, just like food and housing and a living wage and basic toiletries, and all these things have to be controlled by government or the rich will eat us. The government will take good care of us because it's WeThePeople and We're never wrong!
Please show me in the Constitution where it is the right to have healthcare or toiletries or a living wage? The rights that are supposed to be protected by the Constitution, is written there to keep the fucking government from FORCING us to do things we aren't required to do. But since the 1/2 white community agitator and the Democrats in the Congress and Senate, they started dismantling those rights. Which is why now President Trump was put in office, to stop the fundamental transformation of the US into a Venezuela. And he is Making America Great again, which you libs will end up benefitting from as usual......I keep saying, if you don't like the capitalist system here, where everyone can achieve the American Dream, why are you still here? Cuba has been opened, the Socialist Utopian Paradise where you will be treated equally, equally poor and equally miserable, with everyone making the same wage except the liberal Castro's.. Go there and leave the rest of US alone, as we don't want your whiney, liberal, petulant, childish, ass here anymore....
/—-/ we have a lower average life expectancy thanks to gang violence and drug overdoses. How will single payer change any of that?/—-/ how many bureaucrats does it take to say “treatment denied, go home and die.” I’d say just one per office in fact they could get the janitor to do it.
Wouldn't know. Given the fact that 11% of our spending is spent on prolonging lives in terminal cases, and most of that is Medicare, I would say they are less likely to do that than private insurance.
Again, numbers speak for themselves, as countries with single payer have longer life expectencies than Americans.
That current system was put in place by only Democrats in the Congress, Senate and Ex President. They knew it would fail from the start and relied on the "stupid liberal voter" to not hold them accountable, and it worked...
It was working just fine until the Orange Shitgibbon started screwing with it.
We'll be saying that about a lot of things soon. FEMA, the economy. Working just fine until the Orange Shitgibbon started screwing with it.
You don't get it. Health care is a right, just like food and housing and a living wage and basic toiletries, and all these things have to be controlled by government or the rich will eat us. The government will take good care of us because it's WeThePeople and We're never wrong!
Wow, the thing is, only you think those things are horrible, but I don't see you wanting to go back to the bad old days when people starved and shit in chamberpots.
Libertarians- they don't mind civilization, they just mind contributing to it.
/—-/ we have a lower average life expectancy thanks to gang violence and drug overdoses. How will single payer change any of that?
/—-/ we have a lower average life expectancy thanks to gang violence and drug overdoses. How will single payer change any of that?
Guy, "gang violence" only accounts for 2363 deaths a year.
Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems
The number of deaths due to drug overdoses is 64,000.
Overdose Death Rates
so we are talking about a total of 66,000 deaths out of 2,626,418. a year.
FastStats
Here are the top causes of death. All of these could be lowered by greater access to health care.
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
- Heart disease: 633,842
- Cancer: 595,930
- Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
- Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
- Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
- Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
- Diabetes: 79,535
- Influenza and Pneumonia: 57,062
- Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 49,959
- Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193
You don't get it. Health care is a right, just like food and housing and a living wage and basic toiletries, and all these things have to be controlled by government or the rich will eat us. The government will take good care of us because it's WeThePeople and We're never wrong!
Wow, the thing is, only you think those things are horrible, but I don't see you wanting to go back to the bad old days when people starved and shit in chamberpots.
Libertarians- they don't mind civilization, they just mind contributing to it.
You don't get it. Health care is a right, just like food and housing and a living wage and basic toiletries, and all these things have to be controlled by government or the rich will eat us. The government will take good care of us because it's WeThePeople and We're never wrong!
Wow, the thing is, only you think those things are horrible, but I don't see you wanting to go back to the bad old days when people starved and shit in chamberpots.
Libertarians- they don't mind civilization, they just mind contributing to it.
Nope. You're talking about stingy Republicans. They share your anger about "freeloaders" and hate seeing their taxes go to people who don't do as they're told.
Libertarians, on the other hand, are focused on liberty. What gripes us about government controlling life's necessities is that it will inevitably be used against us. That's why this is happening.
We can take care of ourselves, our families, our neighborhoods, our towns, our cities, our society, without resorting to legal mandates, without resorting to a billy club. But some people aren't satisfied with voluntary cooperation, and, frustrated at their inability to convince others to join them (in whatever noble cause they're excited about), want a shortcut. They want to use the law to force others to bend to their will. Nothing about that is civilized.
Fuck you asshole, without US republicans working and paying taxes you poor welfare liberal pukes wouldn't get a fucking dime for your EBT cards. Egad man, haven't you ever heard the saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you?stingy Republicans
