So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov

[Cellblock2429]

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/----/ How can we discuss health insurance without mentioning the politicians making all of the decisions?

 

[Auld Phart]

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/----/ How can we discuss health insurance without mentioning the politicians making all of the decisions?

The posts I deleted had NOTHING to do with the subject.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Why have Republicans been so dead set against the ACA? Why 1%er insurance companies fought against the ACA?

Remember that ACA required that 80% of your premium go to patient care.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Why have Republicans been so dead set against the ACA? Why 1%er insurance companies fought against the ACA?

Remember that ACA required that 80% of your premium go to patient care.

/----/ Asked and answered uncountable times since 2010.

 

[DGS49]

Among other things, the unconstitutional un-Affordable Care Act, took "insurance" and turned it into a government social program, knowing that "insurance" companies would be bankrupted in the transition. It was INTENDED TO FAIL, so that people would get pissed off and demand some variation of Socialized Medicine.

How would you feel if the Government told GM, Ford and FCA that they were no longer allowed to sell pickup trucks to anyone but farmers and small business people who actually needed the utility of a truck? Then they passed a law that said the Government would reimburse the companies for the billions in lost revenue and profits?

That is exactly what ACA did. It forced insurance companies to cover costs that have nothing to do with "insurance," then agreed to pay the insurers for the losses that the mandates made inevitable. Not only unconstitutional but stupid and/or dishonest.

 

[JoeB131]

Among other things, the unconstitutional un-Affordable Care Act, took "insurance" and turned it into a government social program, knowing that "insurance" companies would be bankrupted in the transition. It was INTENDED TO FAIL, so that people would get pissed off and demand some variation of Socialized Medicine.

How would you feel if the Government told GM, Ford and FCA that they were no longer allowed to sell pickup trucks to anyone but farmers and small business people who actually needed the utility of a truck? Then they passed a law that said the Government would reimburse the companies for the billions in lost revenue and profits?

That is exactly what ACA did. It forced insurance companies to cover costs that have nothing to do with "insurance," then agreed to pay the insurers for the losses that the mandates made inevitable. Not only unconstitutional but stupid and/or dishonest.

I'm not sure your analogy works.

The problem was that the insurers weren't covering things they had promised to cover. They were doing things like calling acne a pre-existing condition for someone who had breast cancer.

 

[dblack]

Why have Republicans been so dead set against the ACA? Why 1%er insurance companies fought against the ACA?

Remember that ACA required that 80% of your premium go to patient care.

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[MadChemist]

As I said before, liberals have a deathwish, not only upon the rest of US but themselves because liberals have no clue how to be happy. That is why they seek ways to self suicide....

Yawn, guy... getting a little bored with the right wing claiming single payer is worse, when we get the worst results with our current system.

Do you really believe you have an evenly averaged system you make these claims about ?

There are plenty of situations where results are great for the money spent. And those are matched with some very inefficent and ineffective systems.

We are talking about a country of 325,000,000 people.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Why have Republicans been so dead set against the ACA? Why 1%er insurance companies fought against the ACA?

Remember that ACA required that 80% of your premium go to patient care.

Why are you liberals so hell bent on giving our tax dollars to evil insurance companies for corporate welfare? Are you now for the big evil corporations and not the little guys who have to pay taxes for that corporate welfare? I guess the cat is finally out of the bag, for who really are for the people and their children....

 

[Cellblock2429]

You

Why have Republicans been so dead set against the ACA? Why 1%er insurance companies fought against the ACA?

Remember that ACA required that 80% of your premium go to patient care.

Why are you liberals so hell bent on giving our tax dollars to evil insurance companies for corporate welfare? Are you now for the big evil corporations and not the little guys who have to pay taxes for that corporate welfare? I guess the cat is finally out of the bag, for who really are for the people and their children....

/—-/ Liberals are always in the bag for evil greedy corporations

 

[JoeB131]

Do you really believe you have an evenly averaged system you make these claims about ?

There are plenty of situations where results are great for the money spent. And those are matched with some very inefficent and ineffective systems.

We are talking about a country of 325,000,000 people.

Yes, we are. Of those, pre-ACA, 47 of them didn't have health insurance. 25 Million had shit insurance

When you don't have health insurance, you don't see a doctor when you have that pain until that pain becomes unbearable. You don't see one during your pregnancy.

So not surprisingly, a lot of treatable problems don't get treated.

 

[JoeB131]

Why are you liberals so hell bent on giving our tax dollars to evil insurance companies for corporate welfare? Are you now for the big evil corporations and not the little guys who have to pay taxes for that corporate welfare? I guess the cat is finally out of the bag, for who really are for the people and their children....

Barbie, we are all for the rich paying this corporate welfare... but we'd rather have single payer.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Do you really believe you have an evenly averaged system you make these claims about ?

There are plenty of situations where results are great for the money spent. And those are matched with some very inefficent and ineffective systems.

We are talking about a country of 325,000,000 people.

Yes, we are. Of those, pre-ACA, 47 of them didn't have health insurance. 25 Million had shit insurance

When you don't have health insurance, you don't see a doctor when you have that pain until that pain becomes unbearable. You don't see one during your pregnancy.

So not surprisingly, a lot of treatable problems don't get treated.

/----/ Libs idea of shit insurance is a policy that doesn't include mammograms and birth control for 50 year old men. And wealthy people paid their own routine Dr visits and held catastrophic policies for emergencies. Obozo said: "Dat no be good. Gotta go with shitty insurance."

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ Libs idea of shit insurance is a policy that doesn't include mammograms and birth control for 50 year old men. And wealthy people paid their own routine Dr visits and held catastrophic policies for emergencies. Obozo said: "Dat no be good. Gotta go with shitty insurance."

Again, when that happy day comes when you have to argue with an insurance company to get treatment you doctor says you need to have, I'm sure you'll have a different opinion about the goodness of insurance companies.

 

[dblack]

/----/ Libs idea of shit insurance is a policy that doesn't include mammograms and birth control for 50 year old men. And wealthy people paid their own routine Dr visits and held catastrophic policies for emergencies. Obozo said: "Dat no be good. Gotta go with shitty insurance."

Again, when that happy day comes when you have to argue with an insurance company to get treatment you doctor says you need to have, I'm sure you'll have a different opinion about the goodness of insurance companies.

Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.

 

[JoeB131]

Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.

Well, it's a bit more than "making them promise". MOre like - put in laws saying, This is what you have to cover.

But the contrary to that is to make everyone buy insurance. Otherwise, they'd just buy insurance when they got sick.

You see, Insurance companies have gotten a ride so far because employers and the government handle most of this. If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ Libs idea of shit insurance is a policy that doesn't include mammograms and birth control for 50 year old men. And wealthy people paid their own routine Dr visits and held catastrophic policies for emergencies. Obozo said: "Dat no be good. Gotta go with shitty insurance."

Again, when that happy day comes when you have to argue with an insurance company to get treatment you doctor says you need to have, I'm sure you'll have a different opinion about the goodness of insurance companies.

/—-/ It’s settled science that people prefer their healthcare decisions be made by a nameless, faceless, unelected Washington bureaucrats who don’t care if people live or die. As a benefit that bureaucrats gets healthcare from a private insurer paid with tax payers dollars. Settled science.

 

[dblack]

If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.

Yes. We'd have to face the fact that insurance isn't a social safety net. Trying to use it in that way is idiotic.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Clearly, the answer is to force people to buy insurance anyway, and have the government make them promise to play nice.

Well, it's a bit more than "making them promise". MOre like - put in laws saying, This is what you have to cover.

But the contrary to that is to make everyone buy insurance. Otherwise, they'd just buy insurance when they got sick.

You see, Insurance companies have gotten a ride so far because employers and the government handle most of this. If every last one of us had to go out and negotiate health insurance, the young and healthy wouldn't buy it and the old and sick wouldn't be able to afford it.

/----/ Oh you mean if everyone had to go out and negotiate for health insurance like they do for auto, home and life insurance? You mean like that?

 

[MadChemist]

Do you really believe you have an evenly averaged system you make these claims about ?

There are plenty of situations where results are great for the money spent. And those are matched with some very inefficent and ineffective systems.

We are talking about a country of 325,000,000 people.

Yes, we are. Of those, pre-ACA, 47 of them didn't have health insurance. 25 Million had shit insurance

When you don't have health insurance, you don't see a doctor when you have that pain until that pain becomes unbearable. You don't see one during your pregnancy.

So not surprisingly, a lot of treatable problems don't get treated.

Did you answer my question ?

Do you really think your claims apply all across the board ?

As to your numbers, I am not sure what point you were hoping to make there. It seems out of place.

Also, there are many people who see the doctor without insurance.

It seems your claims are overgeneralizations.

I am not a fan of our current system which fails to make affordable insurance available.