So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov

[Cellblock2429]

Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments

"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com

Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?

YES YOU ARE!!!!!!

The right wing has nothing but repeal, not fine capital plans that cause Labor to command market clearing wages for public sector goods and services. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a start. Twenty-five dollars an hour may not be unreasonable, if Labor is expected to try to conform to rational choice theory under our form of Capitalism.

/----/ We're still waiting for you Libtards to open your own small business so we can see how much you pay your employees. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

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I still am laughing my ass off, that liberals are defending the Corporate Welfare that Obama promised the EVIL insurance companies, that make obscene profits... Who would ever think...(well not a liberal for sure)...

/----/ When Obozocare as shoved down our throats in 2010, the Libtards who hated insurance companies for decades suddenly embraced the subsidies and at the same time blasted corporate welfare. It was bizzare to debate them.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Give up all your rights to the government so the liberal elites can do all the thinking for you. No fucking thank you Joe, just because you are dingbat and need others to change your depends, doesn't mean the rest of US do. Please, leave for Cuba and live your Socialist Utopian Dream there, the rest of US want to be FREE.....dumbass.

Uh, Barbie, why don't you actually have the discussion at hand instead of whining about "communism" every time you get bitch-slapped on an argument?

I'd rather have my health care run by a government that lives in fear I can vote it out of office than one run by a greedy corporation that has no obligation to provide me good service once they have my money.

"But the fact is, the wealth isn't distributed in a fair manner, and anyone with a lick of sense realizes that." What a load of liberal bullshyt. Since when is wealth supposed to be distributed in any manner? NO one would work and why should they if it's just taken away from them. As workers used to say in the USSR, "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

Did anyone in the USSR actually say that, or did some propagandist make that up?

What is wealth? Wealth is the measure of the value of all goods and services provided by the labor of people.

So the fact is, the bottom 40% of the country has less than 1% of the wealth? Did they do less than 1% of the labor? Certainly not.

The top 1% has 43% of the wealth? Did they do 43% of the labor?

Or as this "Communist' said...

/----/ The principle of the state capitalism of the period of transition to communism: the authorities pretend they are paying wages, workers pretend they are working. Alternatively, "So long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work." This joke persisted essentially unchanged through the 1980s.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Of course not all government mandates are bad. But they do limit freedom. Sometimes that's necessary. We can't have people deciding for themselves whether murder is OK, for example. We depend on government to enforce conformity on such matters.

But when it's not necessary, we should avoid using the state to force conformity on society. We need laws preventing assault, theft and fraud. But we don't need government mandating conformity on matters of personal health. People have different values and different ideas about what's best for themselves and their families. The government should be protecting our rights to make these kinds of decisions freely, not mandating conformity to to suit the interests of their favorite lobbyists.

Yeah, we kind of do, because of people's irresponsibility.

Now, you see, most places REQUIRE you to have auto insurance if you drive a car. I haven't had an auto accident since 2004, but I still pay a decently high rate for the privilage of driving a car.

The problem with those who CHOOSE to be uninsured is that their negligence costs the rest of us money.

/----/ "Now, you see, most places REQUIRE you to have auto insurance if you drive a car. I haven't had an auto accident since 2004, but I still pay a decently high rate for the privilage of driving a car. " For crying out loud Joe, the only insurance you are compelled to buy is liability to protect others that you may harm in an accident. Unless you have a loan on your car, you are not forced to buy Fire, Theft and Collision. Once you own the car outright, you only have to have liability.

 

[JoeB131]

The same government that runs the post office and DMV?

Those things run pretty well. My mail always gets delivered. Last time I was at the DMV in 2014, they had me out of there in less than 10 minutes.

Less frustrating than dealing with Comcast or any airline I've had to ride recently.

Joe, once again, I have to bring up how much of a wealth envious tard you are. I was out of high school bottom of the rung 99%er making minimum wage. While you sat back being a victim of liberalism, I got skills and knowledge and with those are now a well hung 1%er.

Sure you are.. Because clearly angry racists are always really successful.

I'm sure you got promoted to Head Possum Catcher last month, Barbie.

Now, I'm going to talk to the adults for a while.

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ You're ignoring the reports I posted about the failures of single payer. Have you ever considered SP may not be the ideal solution you think it is?

No, I haven't considered that, because for the most part, they get better results than we do in terms of metrics and spend a lot less money doing it.

But, but, but... Charlie Gard! They only kept his corpse alive for four months!

/----/ So you think the guy who sweeps the floor or assembles the widgets the owner of the company designed, developed and invested in deserve the same pay? Is that how you think things should work? If so, then the owner will say, WHY BOTHER? Then he and all the workers will be out of work. You simpleton.

Do I htink they should make the same? No. Do I think the guy on the assembly line should make enough to take care of his family? Yes.

Incidently, in most of the world, that is exactly how it works.

U.S. CEOs earn from 400 to 500 times the median salary for workers. For CEOs in the U.K., the ratio is 22; in France, it's 15; and in Germany it's 12.

CEO Compensation in the US Vs. the World

/----/ The principle of the state capitalism of the period of transition to communism: the authorities pretend they are paying wages, workers pretend they are working. Alternatively, "So long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work." This joke persisted essentially unchanged through the 1980s.

So you have no proof anyone actually said this, then?

For crying out loud Joe, the only insurance you are compelled to buy is liability to protect others that you may harm in an accident. Unless you have a loan on your car, you are not forced to buy Fire, Theft and Collision. Once you own the car outright, you only have to have liability.

Exactly.

So with health insurance, if you aren't going to do the sensible thing and have single payer, then you should have everyone required to buy insurance, for the same reason everyone has to buy liability- so the cost of your problems don't get spread around to everyone else.

 

[sealybobo]

Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments

"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com

Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?

YES YOU ARE!!!!!!

Healthcare costs are going to go up. Happy? Insurance companies won't insure the sick or old. Will you never get sick or old?

 

[sealybobo]

It's like the dnc openly bribed ins companies and their lackeys and got their sheep to cheer it on.


billions added to the debt = meh

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

 

[Two Thumbs]

It's like the dnc openly bribed ins companies and their lackeys and got their sheep to cheer it on.


billions added to the debt = meh

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

good lord

Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?


all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.

 

[sealybobo]

It's like the dnc openly bribed ins companies and their lackeys and got their sheep to cheer it on.


billions added to the debt = meh

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

good lord

Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?


all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.

The way trumps going most of you will die penniless. I don't care anymore. Get rid of medicare

 

[Two Thumbs]

It's like the dnc openly bribed ins companies and their lackeys and got their sheep to cheer it on.


billions added to the debt = meh

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

good lord

Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?


all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.

The way trumps going most of you will die penniless. I don't care anymore. Get rid of medicare

look at the debt, dying penniless has been in the works for a long time.

 

[sealybobo]

It's like the dnc openly bribed ins companies and their lackeys and got their sheep to cheer it on.


billions added to the debt = meh

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

good lord

Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?


all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.

The way trumps going most of you will die penniless. I don't care anymore. Get rid of medicare

look at the debt, dying penniless has been in the works for a long time.

Enjoy. I no longer care. I'll live comfortably without it

 

[Two Thumbs]

It's like the dnc openly bribed ins companies and their lackeys and got their sheep to cheer it on.


billions added to the debt = meh

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

good lord

Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?


all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.

The way trumps going most of you will die penniless. I don't care anymore. Get rid of medicare

look at the debt, dying penniless has been in the works for a long time.

Enjoy. I no longer care. I'll live comfortably without it

No you won't.

the government, you love so much, will come for your money, in the name of 'fairness'.

 

[Slyhunter]

We can't take from the rich and give to the poor without population control. It can't be a bottomless pit of need.

 

[sealybobo]

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

good lord

Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?


all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.

The way trumps going most of you will die penniless. I don't care anymore. Get rid of medicare

look at the debt, dying penniless has been in the works for a long time.

Enjoy. I no longer care. I'll live comfortably without it

No you won't.

the government, you love so much, will come for your money, in the name of 'fairness'.

Sorry but the rich have ways around those things. Most people lose all their money because of healthcare problems. They never had the $5000 to pay a lawyer who would protect their life savings. We almost learned the hard way with my mom. They would have taken all of my mom and dads money. Now we got the money protected.

Most Americans will never go pay the $5000 and take their chances and lose everything.

Then there's the masses who don't have anything. Future don't look good the next 20 years all the baby boomers

 

[JoeB131]

We can't take from the rich and give to the poor without population control. It can't be a bottomless pit of need.

We don't need to. We just need to fairly distribute the wealth to start with.

If we took the GDP and evenly distributed it, every man woman and child would get 55,000. that's more than enough to live comfortably.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments

"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com

Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?

YES YOU ARE!!!!!!

Healthcare costs are going to go up. Happy? Insurance companies won't insure the sick or old. Will you never get sick or old?

/—-/ I remember the good old days when libtards hated corporate welfare.

 

[JoeB131]

/—-/ I remember the good old days when libtards hated corporate welfare.

Hey, I'd be happy to get the insurance companies out of the mix and go to single payer.

 

[Cellblock2429]

It's like the dnc openly bribed ins companies and their lackeys and got their sheep to cheer it on.


billions added to the debt = meh

I'll agree the Aca was a gift to insurance companies. So was what trump did. They no longer have to insure sick and old people. You'll die penniless

good lord

Have you ever heard of medicare or Medicaid?


all I really care about is the forced participation, get rid of that and idc about the rest.

The way trumps going most of you will die penniless. I don't care anymore. Get rid of medicare

/—-/ I remember the good old days when libtards hated corporate welfare.

Hey, I'd be happy to get the insurance companies out of the mix and go to single payer.

/----/ Thanks but no thanks:
Pacific Research Institute | Is The Horror Story Of Single-payer Health Care Coming Soon To A Theater Near You?
Consider the California Single Payer bill. An analysis by the state Senate’s Appropriations Committee found that the measure would cost $400 billion annually. That’s more than three times the state’s annual budget of $125 billion.

Single-payer systems aren’t just unaffordable. They deliver atrocious care.

In Canada’s single-payer system, patients wait weeks for medical attention. According to the Fraser Institute, a Canadian think tank, the median patient waits 20 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment from a specialist. A 2014 study of 11 industrialized countries ranked Canada dead last in timeliness of care.

Consequently, many Canadians have to leave the country to get the care they need. In 2014, more than 52,000 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment outside of Canada. In recent years, local health officials have authorized more than $100 million in spending to send Ontario patients waiting for critical transplants to U.S. hospitals.

In the United Kingdom’s government-run system, patients aren’t faring any better. In 2015, more than 130,000 patients did not receive timely cancer care. Between 2000 and 2015, the number of available hospital beds declined 20 percent.

Single-payer systems have consistently received poor reviews from those trapped in them. Once American audiences realize that, they’ll give progressive lawmakers’ pitches for single-payer a big thumbs-down.

 

[JoeB131]

Consider the California Single Payer bill. An analysis by the state Senate’s Appropriations Committee found that the measure would cost $400 billion annually. That’s more than three times the state’s annual budget of $125 billion.

Single-payer systems aren’t just unaffordable. They deliver atrocious care.

Guy, the thing is, we ALREADY spend more than any other country on health care, with a lot of people making a profit.

We spend 18% of our GDP on heath care, compared to most other industrialized countries that spend 8-11%.

How do they spend less, they get rid of things like "payments to stockholders" and "Nine figure CEO Salaries".

Consequently, many Canadians have to leave the country to get the care they need. In 2014, more than 52,000 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment outside of Canada. In recent years, local health officials have authorized more than $100 million in spending to send Ontario patients waiting for critical transplants to U.S. hospitals.

That lie has been debunked.

5 Myths About Canadian Health Care

Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.

How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?

I don’t deny that some well-off people might come to the United States for medical care. If I needed a heart or lung transplant, there’s no place I’d rather have it done. But for the vast, vast majority of people, that’s not happening.

The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.

Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.

The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.

In the United Kingdom’s government-run system, patients aren’t faring any better. In 2015, more than 130,000 patients did not receive timely cancer care. Between 2000 and 2015, the number of available hospital beds declined 20 percent.

Okay, let's look at this LIE. From those Commie Bastards at Forbes, no less.

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Turns out that many of those "other countries" (including France) score better than the U.S. in one key metric not included in Cadillac's TV spot — healthcare. At least that's according to The Commonwealth Fund in their latest report "Mirror, Mirror On The Wall — 2014 Update" (pdf here).

For this year's survey on overall health care, The Commonwealth Fund ranked the U.S. dead last .

1. United Kingdom
2. Switzerland
3. Sweden
4. Australia
5. Germany & Netherlands (tied)
7. New Zealand & Norway (tied)
9. France
10. Canada
11. United States

It's fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn't support that view.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

/----/ You're ignoring the reports I posted about the failures of single payer. Have you ever considered SP may not be the ideal solution you think it is?

No, I haven't considered that, because for the most part, they get better results than we do in terms of metrics and spend a lot less money doing it.

But, but, but... Charlie Gard! They only kept his corpse alive for four months!

/----/ So you think the guy who sweeps the floor or assembles the widgets the owner of the company designed, developed and invested in deserve the same pay? Is that how you think things should work? If so, then the owner will say, WHY BOTHER? Then he and all the workers will be out of work. You simpleton.

Do I htink they should make the same? No. Do I think the guy on the assembly line should make enough to take care of his family? Yes.

Incidently, in most of the world, that is exactly how it works.

U.S. CEOs earn from 400 to 500 times the median salary for workers. For CEOs in the U.K., the ratio is 22; in France, it's 15; and in Germany it's 12.

CEO Compensation in the US Vs. the World

/----/ The principle of the state capitalism of the period of transition to communism: the authorities pretend they are paying wages, workers pretend they are working. Alternatively, "So long as the bosses pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work." This joke persisted essentially unchanged through the 1980s.

So you have no proof anyone actually said this, then?

For crying out loud Joe, the only insurance you are compelled to buy is liability to protect others that you may harm in an accident. Unless you have a loan on your car, you are not forced to buy Fire, Theft and Collision. Once you own the car outright, you only have to have liability.

Exactly.

So with health insurance, if you aren't going to do the sensible thing and have single payer, then you should have everyone required to buy insurance, for the same reason everyone has to buy liability- so the cost of your problems don't get spread around to everyone else.

Did you know that the Professional athletes who kneel to the national anthem make 400 to 500 times the median salary of the workers who buy their tickets? Why do they get so much money?