So now with the EVIL Corporation Insurance Companies losing their supplemental billions from the gov

[dblack]

I'm not asking you to. Libertarians aren't asking you to. If stinginess is what's driving you, let's repeal the laws that are forcing you to help others against your will. That'd be more to the point than giving government control over 20% of our economy.

Except you guys wouldn't go along with that. You'll show up at the emergency rooms and still stiff the rest of us with the bill.

Listen, if that's your gripe, just repeal EMTALA. Pay for your own health care and stop trying to force your insecurities off on other people.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ Single payer = Rationed care. Only Libtards like the idea.

As opposed to our current system, where it is rationed by your wealth.

Hey, here's an idea, if the rich and poor got EXACTLY the same level of treatment, I bet you we'd improve the level of care for the poor.

/—-/ If, if, if. if your Aunt had a dic, she’d be your uncle.

Duly noted you didn't have an argument.

So what bothers you is the thought that poor people can get the same class of care you get, eh?

/—-/ No, you’re too dense to recognize my argument which is, you want to destroy our healthcare system and replace it with a one size fits all proven failure on the hopes the rich will demand it be improved. I forget you are a Libtard Moonbat and everything has to be dumbed down for you. My bad.

 

[JakeStarkey]

cellblock is incorrect, yet again.

National health care in the industrialized west is cheaper, more accessible, and people live longer and healthier lives.

 

[Cellblock2429]

cellblock is incorrect, yet again.

National health care in the industrialized west is cheaper, more accessible, and people live longer and healthier lives.

/----/ Actually I'm 100% correct.
Buyer Beware: The Failure of Single-Payer Health Care

The head of trauma care at Vancouver's largest hospital announces that they turn away more cases than any other center in North America. He's quoted as saying this would be unheard of in the United States.

In Manitoba, which is my former home province, the premier--the political equivalent of a governor--concedes that his pledge to end hallway medicine has fallen short. Hallway medicine is the phenomenon where the emergency rooms are so filled with patients that people are forced to lie on stretchers in hallways, often for days. Overcrowding is a periodic problem. In fact, the overcrowding is worse than last year. The community is rocked by the death of a 74-year old man who had waited in the emergency room for three hours and had not been seen.

New Brunswick announces that they will send cancer patients south to the United States for radiation therapy. New Brunswick, a small maritime province, is the seventh to publicly announce its plans to send patients south. In the best health care system in the world, the vast majority of provinces now rely on American health care to provide radiation therapy. Provinces do this because the clinically recommended waiting time for treatment is often badly exceeded. Ordinarily, oncologists suggest that there should be a two-week gap between the initial consult by the family doctor and the referral to the oncologist, and then two weeks more from the oncologist to the commencement of radiation therapy. In most Canadian provinces, we exceed that by one to two months, sometimes three.

In Alberta earlier this year, a young man dies because of the profound emergency room overcrowding. He is 23. On a winter's night, he develops pain in his flank and goes to the local emergency room. It is so crowded that he grows impatient and goes to another. There, he waits six hours. No one sees him. Exhausted and frustrated, he goes home. The pain continues, so he finally decides to go to the local community hospital. It's too late: His appendix ruptured. He dies from the complications hours later.
Those are some of the examples of the cruelty of what goes on in Canada. But they don't give you the flavor of the insanity--and I'll use that term in a nonprofessional sense--of the Canadian system.

MRI scanners are very difficult to get in Canada. There are long wait times. In my book, I talk about a political struggle on Vancouver Island where the wait time for a non-urgent MRI scan was over a year--"non-urgent" being defined by government officials, not by physicians. In the province I now live in, Ontario, there are long wait times for MRIs.

 

[JoeB131]

Have you been peeking over the stall Joe? It is only 12 inches when it is limp but double that, at its full length. My wife, who i have been married to for 30 years, could of been a model, but didn't want to, because she didn't want to have to suck some liberals dick(like Harvey Weinstein) to be one.

Wow, Barbie, you must have a tiny ego to make all this shit up.

Nope I don't do German(union) engineering, as the Japanese(non union) are much better with their cars, so I have a Lexus and Toyota Limited Edition Highlander.

Uh, dude, the Japanese have unions... They have unions that are stronger than the UAW. They can even get rid of the CEO if they want to.

JAW

But Joe since you have been a victim of liberalism almost all your life, you have your 1 house , probably because you had welfare help for that, and you inherited the other one, because you Dad actually worked for it.

Naw, dude, I paid for my first house and the second one costs me a good deal of money to maintain even though I only get up there once a year because I'm usually too busy working two jobs.

Any liberal who says they aren't wealth envious is a typical liberal liar, because they(liberals) always take the easy way out and put very little effort to try to achieve the 1% but never do, while bitching that the 1%er's stole their(liberals) money. Liberals are the dumbest people in the universe.

Frankly, I've met the one percent. They are generally awful people and I have no desire to be like them.

But the fact is, the wealth isn't distributed in a fair manner, and anyone with a lick of sense realizes that.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course not all government mandates are bad. But they do limit freedom. Sometimes that's necessary. We can't have people deciding for themselves whether murder is OK, for example. We depend on government to enforce conformity on such matters.

But when it's not necessary, we should avoid using the state to force conformity on society. We need laws preventing assault, theft and fraud. But we don't need government mandating conformity on matters of personal health. People have different values and different ideas about what's best for themselves and their families. The government should be protecting our rights to make these kinds of decisions freely, not mandating conformity to to suit the interests of their favorite lobbyists.

Yeah, we kind of do, because of people's irresponsibility.

Now, you see, most places REQUIRE you to have auto insurance if you drive a car. I haven't had an auto accident since 2004, but I still pay a decently high rate for the privilage of driving a car.

The problem with those who CHOOSE to be uninsured is that their negligence costs the rest of us money.

 

[JoeB131]

Listen, if that's your gripe, just repeal EMTALA. Pay for your own health care and stop trying to force your insecurities off on other people.

No, we aren't going to repeal EMTALA. It's a good law.

What we need is single payer.

THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS FIGURED THIS OUT!!!!!

But being AMericans, we just scratch our heads and say 'Um, freedom' and don't do the obvious fix.

 

[JakeStarkey]

heritage.org ignores the latest cumulative research on nationalized health care in the West, and OVERWHELMINGLY those citizens pay less, access more care, and live longer and more healthily than Americans.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Listen, if that's your gripe, just repeal EMTALA. Pay for your own health care and stop trying to force your insecurities off on other people.

No, we aren't going to repeal EMTALA. It's a good law.

What we need is single payer.

THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS FIGURED THIS OUT!!!!!

But being AMericans, we just scratch our heads and say 'Um, freedom' and don't do the obvious fix.

The obvious fix for Joe????

Moonbattery: Psychiatrist Confirms: Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder

Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded. Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.

The roots of liberalism — and its associated madness — can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind. When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.

Give up all your rights to the government so the liberal elites can do all the thinking for you. No fucking thank you Joe, just because you are dingbat and need others to change your depends, doesn't mean the rest of US do. Please, leave for Cuba and live your Socialist Utopian Dream there, the rest of US want to be FREE.....dumbass.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Have you been peeking over the stall Joe? It is only 12 inches when it is limp but double that, at its full length. My wife, who i have been married to for 30 years, could of been a model, but didn't want to, because she didn't want to have to suck some liberals dick(like Harvey Weinstein) to be one.

Wow, Barbie, you must have a tiny ego to make all this shit up.

Nope I don't do German(union) engineering, as the Japanese(non union) are much better with their cars, so I have a Lexus and Toyota Limited Edition Highlander.

Uh, dude, the Japanese have unions... They have unions that are stronger than the UAW. They can even get rid of the CEO if they want to.

JAW

But Joe since you have been a victim of liberalism almost all your life, you have your 1 house , probably because you had welfare help for that, and you inherited the other one, because you Dad actually worked for it.

Naw, dude, I paid for my first house and the second one costs me a good deal of money to maintain even though I only get up there once a year because I'm usually too busy working two jobs.

Any liberal who says they aren't wealth envious is a typical liberal liar, because they(liberals) always take the easy way out and put very little effort to try to achieve the 1% but never do, while bitching that the 1%er's stole their(liberals) money. Liberals are the dumbest people in the universe.

Frankly, I've met the one percent. They are generally awful people and I have no desire to be like them.

But the fact is, the wealth isn't distributed in a fair manner, and anyone with a lick of sense realizes that.

/----/ "But the fact is, the wealth isn't distributed in a fair manner, and anyone with a lick of sense realizes that." What a load of liberal bullshyt. Since when is wealth supposed to be distributed in any manner? NO one would work and why should they if it's just taken away from them. As workers used to say in the USSR, "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

 

[Cellblock2429]

Listen, if that's your gripe, just repeal EMTALA. Pay for your own health care and stop trying to force your insecurities off on other people.

No, we aren't going to repeal EMTALA. It's a good law.

What we need is single payer.

THE REST OF THE WORLD HAS FIGURED THIS OUT!!!!!

But being AMericans, we just scratch our heads and say 'Um, freedom' and don't do the obvious fix.

/----/ So you choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore the failures of socialized or single payer.

 

[danielpalos]

Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments

"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com

Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?

YES YOU ARE!!!!!!

The right wing has nothing but repeal, not fine capital plans that cause Labor to command market clearing wages for public sector goods and services. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a start. Twenty-five dollars an hour may not be unreasonable, if Labor is expected to try to conform to rational choice theory under our form of Capitalism.

 

[dblack]

Listen, if that's your gripe, just repeal EMTALA. Pay for your own health care and stop trying to force your insecurities off on other people.

No, we aren't going to repeal EMTALA. It's a good law.

Then I call bullshit on your complaint about paying for freeloaders.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments

"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com

Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?

YES YOU ARE!!!!!!

The right wing has nothing but repeal, not fine capital plans that cause Labor to command market clearing wages for public sector goods and services. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a start. Twenty-five dollars an hour may not be unreasonable, if Labor is expected to try to conform to rational choice theory under our form of Capitalism.

/----/ We're still waiting for you Libtards to open your own small business so we can see how much you pay your employees. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Hey liberals, the justice department is taking its appeal to have billions of money to give to the insurance companies and stop the monthly payments, are you now happy that these EVIL corps are no longer getting that corporate welfare?

Dems rip Trump's 'spiteful' decision to end key ObamaCare payments

"Based on guidance from the Department of Justice, the Department of Health and Human Services has concluded that there is no appropriation for cost-sharing reduction payments to insurance companies under Obamacare," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Did you know that insurance companies were giving large donations to the Democrats so then the Democrats would steal your money and give it to the insurance companies? Yes, you stupid liberal voters made it happen.

Obamacare: Voters, are you stupid? - CNN.com

Obamacare: Democrat Voters, are you stupid?

YES YOU ARE!!!!!!

The right wing has nothing but repeal, not fine capital plans that cause Labor to command market clearing wages for public sector goods and services. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a start. Twenty-five dollars an hour may not be unreasonable, if Labor is expected to try to conform to rational choice theory under our form of Capitalism.

/----/ We're still waiting for you Libtards to open your own small business so we can see how much you pay your employees. TICK TOCK TICK TOCK

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I still am laughing my ass off, that liberals are defending the Corporate Welfare that Obama promised the EVIL insurance companies, that make obscene profits... Who would ever think...(well not a liberal for sure)...

 

[JoeB131]

Give up all your rights to the government so the liberal elites can do all the thinking for you. No fucking thank you Joe, just because you are dingbat and need others to change your depends, doesn't mean the rest of US do. Please, leave for Cuba and live your Socialist Utopian Dream there, the rest of US want to be FREE.....dumbass.

Uh, Barbie, why don't you actually have the discussion at hand instead of whining about "communism" every time you get bitch-slapped on an argument?

I'd rather have my health care run by a government that lives in fear I can vote it out of office than one run by a greedy corporation that has no obligation to provide me good service once they have my money.

"But the fact is, the wealth isn't distributed in a fair manner, and anyone with a lick of sense realizes that." What a load of liberal bullshyt. Since when is wealth supposed to be distributed in any manner? NO one would work and why should they if it's just taken away from them. As workers used to say in the USSR, "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

Did anyone in the USSR actually say that, or did some propagandist make that up?

What is wealth? Wealth is the measure of the value of all goods and services provided by the labor of people.

So the fact is, the bottom 40% of the country has less than 1% of the wealth? Did they do less than 1% of the labor? Certainly not.

The top 1% has 43% of the wealth? Did they do 43% of the labor?

Or as this "Communist' said...

 

[JoeB131]

/----/ So you choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore the failures of socialized or single payer.

What failures?

Oh, that's right. They let Charlie the Meat Puppet die. Oh, gosh.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Give up all your rights to the government so the liberal elites can do all the thinking for you. No fucking thank you Joe, just because you are dingbat and need others to change your depends, doesn't mean the rest of US do. Please, leave for Cuba and live your Socialist Utopian Dream there, the rest of US want to be FREE.....dumbass.

Uh, Barbie, why don't you actually have the discussion at hand instead of whining about "communism" every time you get bitch-slapped on an argument?

I'd rather have my health care run by a government that lives in fear I can vote it out of office than one run by a greedy corporation that has no obligation to provide me good service once they have my money.

"But the fact is, the wealth isn't distributed in a fair manner, and anyone with a lick of sense realizes that." What a load of liberal bullshyt. Since when is wealth supposed to be distributed in any manner? NO one would work and why should they if it's just taken away from them. As workers used to say in the USSR, "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

Did anyone in the USSR actually say that, or did some propagandist make that up?

What is wealth? Wealth is the measure of the value of all goods and services provided by the labor of people.

So the fact is, the bottom 40% of the country has less than 1% of the wealth? Did they do less than 1% of the labor? Certainly not.

The top 1% has 43% of the wealth? Did they do 43% of the labor?

Or as this "Communist' said...

The same government that runs the post office and DMV?

Joe, once again, I have to bring up how much of a wealth envious tard you are. I was out of high school bottom of the rung 99%er making minimum wage. While you sat back being a victim of liberalism, I got skills and knowledge and with those are now a well hung 1%er. While you want to take what is mine and make it yours, that if fucking communism you worthless fuck....

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ So you choose to bury your head in the sand and ignore the failures of socialized or single payer.

What failures?

Oh, that's right. They let Charlie the Meat Puppet die. Oh, gosh.

/----/ You're ignoring the reports I posted about the failures of single payer. Have you ever considered SP may not be the ideal solution you think it is?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Give up all your rights to the government so the liberal elites can do all the thinking for you. No fucking thank you Joe, just because you are dingbat and need others to change your depends, doesn't mean the rest of US do. Please, leave for Cuba and live your Socialist Utopian Dream there, the rest of US want to be FREE.....dumbass.

Uh, Barbie, why don't you actually have the discussion at hand instead of whining about "communism" every time you get bitch-slapped on an argument?

I'd rather have my health care run by a government that lives in fear I can vote it out of office than one run by a greedy corporation that has no obligation to provide me good service once they have my money.

"But the fact is, the wealth isn't distributed in a fair manner, and anyone with a lick of sense realizes that." What a load of liberal bullshyt. Since when is wealth supposed to be distributed in any manner? NO one would work and why should they if it's just taken away from them. As workers used to say in the USSR, "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

Did anyone in the USSR actually say that, or did some propagandist make that up?

What is wealth? Wealth is the measure of the value of all goods and services provided by the labor of people.

So the fact is, the bottom 40% of the country has less than 1% of the wealth? Did they do less than 1% of the labor? Certainly not.

The top 1% has 43% of the wealth? Did they do 43% of the labor?

Or as this "Communist' said...

/----/ So you think the guy who sweeps the floor or assembles the widgets the owner of the company designed, developed and invested in deserve the same pay? Is that how you think things should work? If so, then the owner will say, WHY BOTHER? Then he and all the workers will be out of work. You simpleton.