So this guy from Chicago, shows up at a Florida Convenience store showing the clerk he has a gun. Clerk shows robber his gun. Yeah for 2nd amend.

So which of the countries in your listing refuse to bring charges for felony crimes and instead turn career criminals loose on the streets?

Are you fucking dense? When Japan only locks up 49,000 people, they clearly aren't locking up people for petty "felonies".

Foxx’s office has dismissed “thousands” of felony cases, including gun cases, sex assault cases, attacks on police officers, and even homicides. In all, “25,183 people had their felony cases dismissed” per the Trib.

Uh, let's get real. Her predecessor, Anita Alvarez, dismissed 19% of cases. Foxx dismissed 29% of cases. It's not that big of a jump. Most of the cases she dismissed are petty crimes.

“[T]he Tribune found that Foxx’s higher rates of dropped cases included people accused of murder, shooting another person, sex crimes, and attacks on police officers — as well as serious drug offenses that for decades have driven much of Chicago’s street violence,” the outlet said.

Yes, cases are dropped when there is insufficient evidence. Hello.


Our analysis of this data provides the first detailed look at the more than 35,000 cases that flow through Foxx’s office every year. We found that since she took office she turned away more than 5,000 cases that would have been pursued by previous State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez, mostly by declining to prosecute low-level shoplifting and drug offenses and by diverting more cases to alternative treatment programs.
 
Are you fucking dense? When Japan only locks up 49,000 people, they clearly aren't locking up people for petty "felonies".



Uh, let's get real. Her predecessor, Anita Alvarez, dismissed 19% of cases. Foxx dismissed 29% of cases. It's not that big of a jump. Most of the cases she dismissed are petty crimes.



Yes, cases are dropped when there is insufficient evidence. Hello.


Our analysis of this data provides the first detailed look at the more than 35,000 cases that flow through Foxx’s office every year. We found that since she took office she turned away more than 5,000 cases that would have been pursued by previous State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez, mostly by declining to prosecute low-level shoplifting and drug offenses and by diverting more cases to alternative treatment programs.
The "angry leftist" thing is so cute. You have this odd notion that crime in Japan has some direct correlation with crime in the US. You simply make the ignorant comment, "hey, look over there.They jail fewer people". I could a'splain you the differences but that nonsense comparison is one of your favorites.



Just the typical pattern of leftist hacks coddling criminals.... Hello. Hello
 
Are you fucking dense? When Japan only locks up 49,000 people, they clearly aren't locking up people for petty "felonies".
The "angry leftist" thing is so cute. You have this odd notion that crime in Japan has some direct correlation with crime in the US. You simply make the ignorant comment, "hey, look over there.They jail fewer people". I could a'splain you the differences but that nonsense comparison is one of your favorites.

An obvious assumption that Incel Joe is making, is that Japanese lock up fewer criminals because they have a different standard of how bad a criminal needs to be to be locked up.

It probably hasn't occurred to him that culturally, Japanese people might just be less inclined to be criminals in the first place; that here in America, we have some cultural issues that are producing more criminals—cultural issues that come from social polices that Incel Joe vigorously promotes and supports.
 
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They should not have passed a background check.
They went into a gun store and bought guns anyway.
A court found that the gun store AND the gun maker were liable for failure to keep guns out of their hands.
The Gun industry ran off to Congress to get special protections from liability laws rather than, you know, cleaning up their act.

Because getting guns to criminals is part of their fear-based business model.
You should just give it up right now because you made a statement you knew you couldn't back up, and you made it because it sounded good and you thought it would help your emotional (not factual and logical) rant. Now, tell us why you think they shouldn't have passed a background check. Remember, the check only looks to see if you have prior convictions for certain types of crimes, it doesn't look to see if you're going to become a murder. So, either the store didn't run a check, it ran the check, they failed it and the store ignored the failure (why bother doing one if that's the case?) or they didn't have anything in their records that would have made them fail it. Those are the only options. You first said they passed the check (and did not present any evidence), now you say they should not have passed one (present evidence the store even ran one on them).

Your last sentence puts you completely in the wild-eyed conspiracy nut corner, but you probably think you're being perfectly sensible when you claim a company is deliberately putting weapons in the hands of criminals. You should know better, governments do that kind of stuff.
 
The "angry leftist" thing is so cute. You have this odd notion that crime in Japan has some direct correlation with crime in the US. You simply make the ignorant comment, "hey, look over there.They jail fewer people". I could a'splain you the differences but that nonsense comparison is one of your favorites.

No, what I see... and try to follow me here... is that other countries handle crime differently and get a very different result.

The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and get a different result.

So what are the Europeans and Japanese doing differently.

1) They don't let average citizens own guns.
2) they don't make prison a for-profit industry that has to be constantly fed additional unwilling bodies. They actually reserve prison for people who belong there.
3) They don't allow grinding poverty. They have comprehensive social programs.
4) They treat addiction as a medical issue, not a criminal one.
5) They don't allow their mentally ill to live on the streets, they make sure they get treatment.

I would say that of all the G-7 countries, Japan is the most different culturally, to be sure. But Canada is probably the closest, and frankly, they do all of the above and get pretty close to the same good results the Japanese get.

You should just give it up right now because you made a statement you knew you couldn't back up,
I backed it up with several sources AND cited a lawsuit where the gun industry was held liable for giving the snipers guns.

Your last sentence puts you completely in the wild-eyed conspiracy nut corner, but you probably think you're being perfectly sensible when you claim a company is deliberately putting weapons in the hands of criminals. You should know better, governments do that kind of stuff.

It's not a conspiracy if they are doing it in the open.
 
An obvious assumption that joe is making, is that Japanese lock up fewer criminals because they have a different standard of how bad a criminal needs to be to be locked up.

It probably hasn't occurred to him that culturally, Japanese people might just be less inclined to be criminals in the first place; that here in America, we have some cultural issues that are producing more criminals—cultural issues that come from social polices that joe vigorously promotes and supports.

See the above post, for what the Japanese do differently.

The question you have to ask yourself is WHY the Japanese are less inclined to "be criminals". It isn't for the reason you wingnuts say. According to you guys, it's violent video games and not enough Jesus in your life is why we have crime. Except the Japanese consume more violent videogames than we do, and they don't believe in Jesus.

Now, true, the Japanese have VERY FEW murders, so they don't have a lot of murderers to lock up. That's what happens when you don't let every idiot who wants a gun have one.

But they also don't have a lot of thieves... because they don't allow the kind of grinding poverty we have. Unemployment in Japan never gets above 5%.

But let's leave Japan alone for a second. let's pick an easier one- Canada!

Where they have very few gun murders, and have to lock up very few people.

Heck, I've been to Canada bunch of times... you almost forget it's not America if it weren't for the Maple Leaf flags.
 
I backed it up with several sources AND cited a lawsuit where the gun industry was held liable for giving the snipers guns.
No, you did NOT back up your assertion that they passed background checks that they should have failed. Here's what you did. You made the statement, got called out on it, then you moved the goal posts by making a DIFFERENT statement and backed THAT one up. Big difference and big fallacy. For once, just admit that you don't have ANY evidence that they walked into the gun store WITH prior felony convictions on their records, passed the background check and legally bought guns. You just don't have it. In fact, you're making a big deal out of them buying ILLEGAL guns, which would mean the background check probably was never run. The only way you are correct is if they bought the guns after passing the background check, which is what you claimed.
It's not a conspiracy if they are doing it in the open.
Oh, I'm sure you believe it like I said, and you're now confirming it.
 
No, you did NOT back up your assertion that they passed background checks that they should have failed.

Nope. Totally backed it up. They shouldn't have been allowed to buy guns. They were allowed to buy guns.
The store couldn't prove the sale was legit and paid out 2 million dollars to the families of the people they killed.

Oh, I'm sure you believe it like I said, and you're now confirming it.

You really can't draw any other conclusion. Most companies go out of their way to keep their products from being misused. For instance, when real-life Walter Whites started turning allergy medicine into meth, the companies that made it put all sorts of new controls on them.

The gun industry has fought every gun law put on the books, and the ones they can't get struck down in court they subvert in other ways.

Why?
Because if we had gun laws like Germany or Canada, where they restrict who can get them, only a very select group would actually want them.

The gun industry is built on fear... and you manufacture fear by arming criminals.
 
No, what I see... and try to follow me here... is that other countries handle crime differently and get a very different result.

The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and get a different result.

So what are the Europeans and Japanese doing differently.

1) They don't let average citizens own guns.
2) they don't make prison a for-profit industry that has to be constantly fed additional unwilling bodies. They actually reserve prison for people who belong there.
3) They don't allow grinding poverty. They have comprehensive social programs.
4) They treat addiction as a medical issue, not a criminal one.
5) They don't allow their mentally ill to live on the streets, they make sure they get treatment.

I would say that of all the G-7 countries, Japan is the most different culturally, to be sure. But Canada is probably the closest, and frankly, they do all of the above and get pretty close to the same good results the Japanese get.


I backed it up with several sources AND cited a lawsuit where the gun industry was held liable for giving the snipers guns.



It's not a conspiracy if they are doing it in the open.

If the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and get a different result, you should pass that on to your leftist heroes.

Not surprisingly, homelessness has increased substantially under Braindead Biden and leftist governors.

This is where you will want to use your stereotypical, I blame Trump™ mantra but as we know, that’s just mindless scapegoating by the left.


1. Mayors in cities such as San Francisco and the District pour money into supporting the outdoor lifestyle of thousands of seriously unwell people.

2. The numbers of newly arrived and needy illegal aliens are rising all over the country. Some end up on the streets, compounding already dire problems of homelessness.

3.The way to avoid more taxpayer-funded sheltering of homeless foreigners who are here illegally is simple: Start enforcing the law.
 
If the definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and get a different result, you should pass that on to your leftist heroes.

Not surprisingly, homelessness has increased substantially under Braindead Biden and leftist governors.

Uh, the tent cities started appearing long before Biden or Trump.


The United States Interagency Council on Homelessness acknowledges that increasing tent cities started even before the pandemic and is driven mainly by economic hardship. Interestingly enough, when mainstream media cameras turn in the direction of such encampments, rarely do they report on economic hardships. They do not reflect on the racism and classism fueling the housing crisis and ultimately forcing people onto the streets. Instead, the reporting almost always deals with a different, less desirable tent city struggle – crime.

The idea that homeless encampments cause crime has been the general assumption. The grainy footage retrieved from the media has been perceived as evidence. But now, in the wake of a groundbreaking research project, everything America believes about homeless encampments is being debunked.
 
1. Mayors in cities such as San Francisco and the District pour money into supporting the outdoor lifestyle of thousands of seriously unwell people.

2. The numbers of newly arrived and needy illegal aliens are rising all over the country. Some end up on the streets, compounding already dire problems of homelessness.

3.The way to avoid more taxpayer-funded sheltering of homeless foreigners who are here illegally is simple: Start enforcing the law.

Wow, wrong all the time.

The reason why we have a homeless problem is the government stopped building affordable housing. Now some of this was sensible... the high rise public housing projects were a blight on the cities...

But they didn't come up with a sensible alternative. Instead, they just gave out vouchers, and found a lot of rental property owners aren't too keen on section 8 housing.

For instance, I recently was part of a Condo-deconversion. The problem is that because this condo association didn't have a owner occupancy rule like most condos have, 56% of the units were rentals. (about 130 of 230 units) About 30 of those are Section 8 tenants, but most people didn't want them.

And it is expected the new owners of the property are probably going to get rid of them at the first opportunity.

We are short about 7 million low-cost rental units in this country, this is why we have a homeless problem.


Housing insecurity in the United States long predates the COVID-19 pandemic. Current challenges most recently appeared in the wake of the Great Recession, which lasted from 2007 to 2009, as demand for housing increased while the supply of new housing units plummeted. People were squeezed out of the housing market, adding upward pressure on demand for rental properties. Those with deeper pockets—higher incomes and more wealth—can afford higher rents if they do not buy, leaving lower-income renters to fight over an insufficient pool of available rental housing.

In January 2019, the United States had a shortage of 7 million affordable homes for low-income renters,1 resulting in only 37 affordable rental homes for every 100 low-income renter households.2 Due to these market pressures, the most economically vulnerable suffered the highest housing precarity. As a result, millions of Americans have experienced eviction, homelessness, and housing insecurity, each of which leads to financial insecurity, toxic stress, poor health outcomes,3 poor academic achievement for children,4 food insecurity,5 and other negative outcomes.
 
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But let's leave Japan alone for a second. let's pick an easier one- Canada!

Canaduh has about a tenth of our population, spread out over a larger area.

It also has a degenerate culture that is founded on cowering and groveling before the same horrendous tyrant against which we violently rebelled in order to found our nation, The legacy of their shameful and cowardly origin still shows in their culture to this very day. To try to compare the two is a foul insult against any true American. Fuck you very much for even trying to make that comparison.
 
Canaduh has about a tenth of our population, spread out over a larger area.

It also has a degenerate culture that is founded on cowering and groveling before the same horrendous tyrant against which we violently rebelled in order to found our nation, The legacy of their shameful and cowardly origin still shows in their culture to this very day. To try to compare the two is a foul insult against any true American. Fuck you very much for even trying to make that comparison.

Uh, guy, our rebellion was a bunch of rich people who keep wanting to own slaves... there was nothing noble about the American Revolution.

What our country became later is much to be proud of, but there is still much work to be done.

So here's a crazy idea. How about we have the Blue States become part of Canada, and the red states can become the Republic of Gilead?
 
Are you fucking dense? When Japan only locks up 49,000 people, they clearly aren't locking up people for petty "felonies".



Uh, let's get real. Her predecessor, Anita Alvarez, dismissed 19% of cases. Foxx dismissed 29% of cases. It's not that big of a jump. Most of the cases she dismissed are petty crimes.



Yes, cases are dropped when there is insufficient evidence. Hello.


Our analysis of this data provides the first detailed look at the more than 35,000 cases that flow through Foxx’s office every year. We found that since she took office she turned away more than 5,000 cases that would have been pursued by previous State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez, mostly by declining to prosecute low-level shoplifting and drug offenses and by diverting more cases to alternative treatment programs.


Moron.....

You hate American police....yet you defend the Japanese police and criminal justice system..........a system that gives cops, prosecutors and judges powers that our cops don't have and what you lie about them having......

Japan: Gun Control and People Control

Japan's low crime rate has almost nothing to do with gun control, and everything to do with people control. Americans, used to their own traditions of freedom, would not accept Japan's system of people controls and gun controls.



Robbery in Japan is about as rare as murder. Japan's annual robbery rate is 1.8 per 100,000 inhabitants; America's is 205.4. Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.


15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

The police box system contrasts sharply with the practice in America. Here, most departments adopt a policy of "stranger policing." To prevent corruption, police are frequently rotated from one neighborhood to another. But as federal judge Charles Silberman writes, "the cure is worse than the disease, for officers develop no sense of identification with their beats, hence no emotional stake in improving the quality of life there."

Thus, the U.S. citizenry does not develop a supportive relationship with the police. One poll showed that 60% of police officers believe "it is difficult to persuade people to give patrolmen the information they need."

The Japanese police do not spend all their time in the koban boxes. As the Japanese government puts it: "Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police boxes." Making annual visits to each home in their beat, officers keep track of who lives where, and which family member to contact in case of emergency. The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.

Gun banners might rejoice at a society where the police keep such a sharp eye on citizens' guns. But the price is that the police keep an eye on everything.

Policemen are apt to tell people reading sexually-oriented magazines to read something more worthwhile. Japan's major official year-end police report includes statistics like "Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct." In 1985, the police determined that 37.4% of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had had sex "voluntarily." For the volunteers, 19.6% acted "out of curiosity", while for 18.1%, the motive was "liked particular boy." The year-end police report also includes sections on labor demands, and on anti-nuclear or anti-military demonstrations.
 
Are you fucking dense? When Japan only locks up 49,000 people, they clearly aren't locking up people for petty "felonies".



Uh, let's get real. Her predecessor, Anita Alvarez, dismissed 19% of cases. Foxx dismissed 29% of cases. It's not that big of a jump. Most of the cases she dismissed are petty crimes.



Yes, cases are dropped when there is insufficient evidence. Hello.


Our analysis of this data provides the first detailed look at the more than 35,000 cases that flow through Foxx’s office every year. We found that since she took office she turned away more than 5,000 cases that would have been pursued by previous State’s Attorney Anita Alvarez, mostly by declining to prosecute low-level shoplifting and drug offenses and by diverting more cases to alternative treatment programs.


Imagine, you idiot....if our cops could search anyone, anywhere, at anytime, for any reason.......think the gang bangers would carry illegal guns?

Imagine if the criminals in democrat party controlled cities could be held until they confess...to something......and the judge would okay the coerced confession..........you doofus.

Imagine proscutors could simply hold suspects until they confess.....and judges don't stop them....

You are an idiot.....

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.


The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.
 
Nope. Totally backed it up. They shouldn't have been allowed to buy guns. They were allowed to buy guns.
The store couldn't prove the sale was legit and paid out 2 million dollars to the families of the people they killed.
You have shown nothing that proves they even had the background checks run on them, much less that they passed, even more that they passed with prior felonies. You proved nothing except for your own strawman.
You really can't draw any other conclusion. Most companies go out of their way to keep their products from being misused. For instance, when real-life Walter Whites started turning allergy medicine into meth, the companies that made it put all sorts of new controls on them.

The gun industry has fought every gun law put on the books, and the ones they can't get struck down in court they subvert in other ways.

Why?
Because if we had gun laws like Germany or Canada, where they restrict who can get them, only a very select group would actually want them.

The gun industry is built on fear... and you manufacture fear by arming criminals.
You certainly believe it, but it's nonsense.
 
Wow, wrong all the time.

The reason why we have a homeless problem is the government stopped building affordable housing. Now some of this was sensible... the high rise public housing projects were a blight on the cities...

But they didn't come up with a sensible alternative. Instead, they just gave out vouchers, and found a lot of rental property owners aren't too keen on section 8 housing.

For instance, I recently was part of a Condo-deconversion. The problem is that because this condo association didn't have a owner occupancy rule like most condos have, 56% of the units were rentals. (about 130 of 230 units) About 30 of those are Section 8 tenants, but most people didn't want them.

And it is expected the new owners of the property are probably going to get rid of them at the first opportunity.

We are short about 7 million low-cost rental units in this country, this is why we have a homeless problem.


Housing insecurity in the United States long predates the COVID-19 pandemic. Current challenges most recently appeared in the wake of the Great Recession, which lasted from 2007 to 2009, as demand for housing increased while the supply of new housing units plummeted. People were squeezed out of the housing market, adding upward pressure on demand for rental properties. Those with deeper pockets—higher incomes and more wealth—can afford higher rents if they do not buy, leaving lower-income renters to fight over an insufficient pool of available rental housing.

In January 2019, the United States had a shortage of 7 million affordable homes for low-income renters,1 resulting in only 37 affordable rental homes for every 100 low-income renter households.2 Due to these market pressures, the most economically vulnerable suffered the highest housing precarity. As a result, millions of Americans have experienced eviction, homelessness, and housing insecurity, each of which leads to financial insecurity, toxic stress, poor health outcomes,3 poor academic achievement for children,4 food insecurity,5 and other negative outcomes.

What a shame you can't rely on the government to do everything for you.
 
Moron.....

You hate American police....yet you defend the Japanese police and criminal justice system..........a system that gives cops, prosecutors and judges powers that our cops don't have and what you lie about them having......

The Japanese Police don't shoot 1000 people every year. In fact, Japanese cops rarely pull their guns from their holsters.

They only lock up 47,000 people compared to our 2 million.

It seems that if Japanese police and prosecutors were as bad as you say, they'd have worse number in these metric, not better ones.

You have shown nothing that proves they even had the background checks

No, because the gun store lost the 'records' of the sale. Just like they lost records of hundreds of other sales... Hmmm... it almost seems like they ran a background check, and then did a sale off the books because they knew they couldn't file the paperwork.

Which is why they paid out 2 million before the NRA bullied congress into granting immunity to gun dealers.
 

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