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There were NEVER 46 million uninsured Americans!the point was an opportunity to implement Cloward-Pivens to purposely overwhelm the system.
They manufacture a "crisis" and then implement a "solution" that actually makes the "crisis" worse...and moreover it purposely makes implementing a real solution to the crisis next to impossible by creating an almost impenetrable tangle of "regulations" and "laws"...
Of course the point being that every "solution" to the crisis will entail purposely overwhelming fed govt programs in an effort to cause those programs and the fed govt to implode under it's own weight.
NO they have NEVER BEEN DEBUNKED DUMMY!healthmyths, your numbers have been debunked countless times here.
So you do not get "just once more." You are wrong, deliberately so, thus shut up.
Any idiot can say what you just said and YOU are truly embarrassing yourself!Propaganda campaign and nothing more. No, hm, not "just once more." Never again.
I was asking about part D of medicare for my father. Seems like he never signed up for part D. So I called his insurance company and asked about a perscription plan. I was told that if he has not signed up there is a penalty for doing so. A person with 5 years is paying a penalty of 20 dollars per month. He is 17 years past 65 I can't imagine the penalty.
So I asked what was the point of the penalty, silence. I finally said I think it is to help them, the insurance company, not my dad.
When I was born (1963) the hospital stay cost my parents $50.
Can we go back to that?
I've come to the conclusion that what we pay in co-pays is what health care would cost if there were no insurance whatsoever. By making health insurance a tax deductible benefit for corporations (thanks to FDR's wage controls), the net result has been to suppress wage growth while money is funneled to Big Insurance Government Cronies.
When I was born (1963) the hospital stay cost my parents $50.
Can we go back to that?
I've come to the conclusion that what we pay in co-pays is what health care would cost if there were no insurance whatsoever. By making health insurance a tax deductible benefit for corporations (thanks to FDR's wage controls), the net result has been to suppress wage growth while money is funneled to Big Insurance Government Cronies.
That is exactly the case I saw twice. In the first situation my wife got pregnant with our son and the co-pay for all maternity treatment including childbirth was $5000. We moved shortly after my son was born and had new insurance without the maternity rider. She got pregnant (surprise) and we had to pay for all of the maternity and childbirth expenses out of pocket (insurance was not covering it). The total was just over $5100.
In the second situation one of my daughters caught a nasty flu when she was 6. The co-pays using our in-network pediatrician were $375 including the medication. My next oldest daughter was 5 and caught the same flu a week later and I was frustrated with the 3 hours I had to wait for each of my other daughter's appointments so I went to a cash-only doctor. The total cash (no insurance billing) cost was just under $380.
Fine, get rid of it. BTW, I hope you're willing to give up your Medicare.
I'd be perfectly happy to keep my tax money to invest in my own health savings account, to pay for regular health care services on my own, and have a catastrophic care policy. This combination would be far less expensive than the government enabled health care insurance monstrosity which is just a way to make prepaid health care incredibly expensive.
Oh my. When my father died in 03/04 he ran up almost $100,000 worth of bills.
My fairly well off father in law is probably nearing the half million mark. I don't know if the average person can save that much. But hey, if you would live with throwing my father in law and yours out on the street to wait for the savior in sandals to come heal him I guess it would be fair.
You are a moron. There's not point explaining to you what catastrophic and long term care policies are. Nor would you understand the concept of investing one's own money to care for oneself instead of paying taxes to a corrupt centralized bureaucracy that skims most of it for its own preservation.
Have you socked away hundreds of thousands of dollars in case you get cancer? Heart disease requiring a bypass? SIt down and shut up.
I'm not a tacky person who discusses her income or wealth on message boards.
Clearly, you are yet another low info troglodyte who doesn't grok the concept of what insurance is. Proper insurance is for catastrophic situations. Instead, what we have is such coverage combined with incredibly expensive prepaid care. The latter is what is driving up costs, and making the catastrophic coverage less meaningful due to enormous deductibles.
When I was born (1963) the hospital stay cost my parents $50.
Can we go back to that?
I've come to the conclusion that what we pay in co-pays is what health care would cost if there were no insurance whatsoever. By making health insurance a tax deductible benefit for corporations (thanks to FDR's wage controls), the net result has been to suppress wage growth while money is funneled to Big Insurance Government Cronies.
That is exactly the case I saw twice. In the first situation my wife got pregnant with our son and the co-pay for all maternity treatment including childbirth was $5000. We moved shortly after my son was born and had new insurance without the maternity rider. She got pregnant (surprise) and we had to pay for all of the maternity and childbirth expenses out of pocket (insurance was not covering it). The total was just over $5100.
In the second situation one of my daughters caught a nasty flu when she was 6. The co-pays using our in-network pediatrician were $375 including the medication. My next oldest daughter was 5 and caught the same flu a week later and I was frustrated with the 3 hours I had to wait for each of my other daughter's appointments so I went to a cash-only doctor. The total cash (no insurance billing) cost was just under $380.
Bingo. All insurance does is subsidize all the expenses and profits of the insurance company.
Obamacare is finished. It doesnt matter what its purpose was.
There were NEVER 46 million uninsured Americans!the point was an opportunity to implement Cloward-Pivens to purposely overwhelm the system.
They manufacture a "crisis" and then implement a "solution" that actually makes the "crisis" worse...and moreover it purposely makes implementing a real solution to the crisis next to impossible by creating an almost impenetrable tangle of "regulations" and "laws"...
Of course the point being that every "solution" to the crisis will entail purposely overwhelming fed govt programs in an effort to cause those programs and the fed govt to implode under it's own weight.
10 million are NOT citizens the CENSUS even says so!
14 million were already eligible for Medicaid... all Obama's inefficient CMS had to do was register them! BUT no... they counted them as "uninsured" to beef up the numbers.
18 million under 34 make over $50,000 but don't buy their employers' health plans cause they don't them! Yet they were bogusly counted as part of the fabricated Crisis of 46 million uninsured.
REALITY... 4 million people need health insurance and could easily have it paid for with a tax on the $270 billion lawyers make!
Each of the 4 million would have a $5,000 premium and the TAX on the lawyers would be tied directly to the decline of the $850 billion a year that 90% of physicians surveyed report they send claims totaling over $850 billion a year for duplicate tests, referrals,etc... all because they fear being sued!
What group causes these lawsuits? Lawyers!
When I was born (1963) the hospital stay cost my parents $50.
Can we go back to that?
I've come to the conclusion that what we pay in co-pays is what health care would cost if there were no insurance whatsoever. By making health insurance a tax deductible benefit for corporations (thanks to FDR's wage controls), the net result has been to suppress wage growth while money is funneled to Big Insurance Government Cronies.
That is exactly the case I saw twice. In the first situation my wife got pregnant with our son and the co-pay for all maternity treatment including childbirth was $5000. We moved shortly after my son was born and had new insurance without the maternity rider. She got pregnant (surprise) and we had to pay for all of the maternity and childbirth expenses out of pocket (insurance was not covering it). The total was just over $5100.
In the second situation one of my daughters caught a nasty flu when she was 6. The co-pays using our in-network pediatrician were $375 including the medication. My next oldest daughter was 5 and caught the same flu a week later and I was frustrated with the 3 hours I had to wait for each of my other daughter's appointments so I went to a cash-only doctor. The total cash (no insurance billing) cost was just under $380.
Bingo. All insurance does is subsidize all the expenses and profits of the insurance company.
And rip off the consumer, you left that out. But then that's why insurance companies love twits like you.
strawman or your conspiracies....Wow toss upFine, get rid of it. BTW, I hope you're willing to give up your Medicare.
I'd be perfectly happy to keep my tax money to invest in my own health savings account, to pay for regular health care services on my own, and have a catastrophic care policy. This combination would be far less expensive than the government enabled health care insurance monstrosity which is just a way to make prepaid health care incredibly expensive.
Oh my. When my father died in 03/04 he ran up almost $100,000 worth of bills.
My fairly well off father in law is probably nearing the half million mark. I don't know if the average person can save that much. But hey, if you would live with throwing my father in law and yours out on the street to wait for the savior in sandals to come heal him I guess it would be fair.
You are a moron. There's not point explaining to you what catastrophic and long term care policies are. Nor would you understand the concept of investing one's own money to care for oneself instead of paying taxes to a corrupt centralized bureaucracy that skims most of it for its own preservation.
Where does the 'investment' money come from when a family of, say, four, currently covered by Medicaid,
loses their Medicaid as people like you would like to see happen? Magic?
You Progs always resort to burning your phony strawmen.
Don't you realize that you are contributing to AGW?
I was asking about part D of medicare for my father. Seems like he never signed up for part D. So I called his insurance company and asked about a perscription plan. I was told that if he has not signed up there is a penalty for doing so. A person with 5 years is paying a penalty of 20 dollars per month. He is 17 years past 65 I can't imagine the penalty.
So I asked what was the point of the penalty, silence. I finally said I think it is to help them, the insurance company, not my dad.
The penalty goes to the government, not an insurance company.
You can calculate the Part D Penalty here. The maximum penalty possible is $32.64 because they didn't start assessing the penalty until 2006.
This is the lowest monthly uninsured rate recorded since Gallup and Healthways began tracking it in January 2008, besting the previous low of 13.9% in September of that year. Also ignored is the employer mandate which begins in 2015.2014 allowed for late enrollees.
You have a penalty for delaying the signup for Medicare Part D drug coverage because the need for drugs rises sharply as seniors age yet the yearly premium is not based on age, so the law requires a penalty if you start when your're older. It's the same with part B coverage if you delay it past age 65.I was asking about part D of medicare for my father. Seems like he never signed up for part D. So I called his insurance company and asked about a perscription plan. I was told that if he has not signed up there is a penalty for doing so. A person with 5 years is paying a penalty of 20 dollars per month. He is 17 years past 65 I can't imagine the penalty.
So I asked what was the point of the penalty, silence. I finally said I think it is to help them, the insurance company, not my dad.
Obamacare is here to stay. I have no doubt that there will be changes in the coming years but the most important features, no preexisting condition, subsidies for the poor, expanded Medicaid, required essential coverage and benefits will remain. Obama would certainly veto any repeal.Obamacare is finished. It doesnt matter what its purpose was.
What makes you say that?
