So You Hate Socialism.......

[Iceweasel]

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved AmericaEveryone that uses the roads pays for them. Socialism would involve people using them that didn't pay.

That's not socialism so calling people idiots is hilarious. The roads were built buy private contractors, the state doesn't own the businesses. The state hires companies to do the people's bidding.

Progressives pretend all government spending is socialism. That would mean we've always been a socialist country, along with every other one.

Only a moron would go there.

 

[Mertex]

Corporations are not our enemy but never forget they aren't our friends.

Why would they be? Go join a support group if you need friends. But you had to respond with this wisdom to an October post?

We don't need them to be our friends, but if we didn't have a Government to protect us, we would be screwed. Credit companies could charge you whatever they wanted to in interest....nobody would be able to afford to buy a home. Health Care Insurance companies could write their own rules and charge whatever they wanted (that's what we had before Obamacare) and they excluded a lot of people due to pre-existing conditions. It's okay for corporations to make as much money as they can, but fleecing the middle-class and the poor is not right, and certainly not "Christian"....yet so many Christian conservatives think it is okay.

What a crock of shit.

I don't need the government protecting me related to credit cards. I took care of that myself by not having any.

And, unless you are rich you wouldn't be able to buy a house without credit, ignoramus.

I bought a house about 3 years ago. The government didn't have anything to do with the price I paid.

Nobody said it did.....but it certainly had to do with how much interest you paid.

My healthcare was fine before Obamacare. The max out of pocket annually for me was $750.

That's what many dumb conservatives claimed until they found out when they signed up for Obamacare that their policies didn't cover shit, and that's why they were paying so little.

Your another moron that thinks government mandates equates to Christianity yet none of the teachings of Jesus involved government mandates.

You're right about that....Jesus never got involved in government, yet most who claim to be Christian conservatives want to make rules and laws that reflect the Bible. Practice what you preach.

You want the government to do things because you're too fucking lazy to do them yourself.

Yeah, idiot, like you could build your own library, like you could protect yourself against another country attacking us, like you could put out your own house on fire....like you could build your own roads to travel on, and your own bridges across rivers.....I could go on and on, but you're too ignorant to understand any of it. That's why Trump is so high in the polls, idiots like you believe everything he tells you.

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

1) It's about time those not paying the taxes that fund the military get to paying their fair share.

2) The majority of those taxes are paid through fuel taxes. If you don't use the road, you don't use the fuel.

3) There is no cost for a library card where I live. Local property taxes are the primary funding for the libraries here. If you don't own property on which to pay those taxes, I seriously doubt you're using the libraries funded by them.

4) I have. Since I pay the taxes that fund them, I'm getting what I paid for.

5) FD's are funded by local property taxes. If you don't have property to protect from fire, the fire dept. doesn't need to come to put out what you don't own.

6) Hate to break it to you but the postal service hasn't received direct taxpayer funding in almost 35 years.

7) My entire college funding was through academic and athletic scholarships. They were EARNED. My daughter is in college now and what academic scholarships, all privately funded and awarded, don't pay I pay out of pockets.

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

You do realize that things like the military, roads, police, fire dept, etc existed thousands of years before anyone ever even coined the word "socialist"? Your thread is fucking stupid because its based on retard logic. Go read some books you fucking yokel.

Bwahahaha....what an idiot. Just because they didn't call it socialism doesn't mean it wasn't. Boy, another stupid one giving his two-cents. Thanks for proving yet again the ignorance from wrong-wing.....I bet you support Trump, too!

There is no god damn way you have an IQ above 70. That has got to be the dumbest fucking counter debate ive ever heard.

Says the idiot who is claiming that because military, roads police, etc., existed before the word "socialism" was coined, they couldn't be socialism. You're ignorant...your stupid post doesn't respect a more intense response, mostly because you would be unable to understand it....moron.

Socialism has been around since Jesus, you idiot........but then, you probably have never read the Bible.....

Acts 2, verses 44 and 45:

"All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need."

Acts 4, verse 32:

"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions were his own, but they shared everything they had."

and Acts 4, verses 34 and 35:

"There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from their sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need."

If they were around before socialism was a concept, they were created without that in mind which means they can't be something that didn't exist when they were. Only a fool thinks they can.

Boy, did you even ever go to school? You sound really stupid. The concept was around the minute it was first used....(that everyone would pay for it....and it would be for the benefit of all). It doesn't matter that they didn't call it Socialism, ignoramus, it was socialism. The concept of Capitalism has been around since the 12th and 13th century, but it wasn't called that then, (the term "capitalism" wasn't coined until around 1850)....so by your genius way of thinking, so what we call capitalism wasn't capitalism at all, although the concept is the same.

You confuse socialism with personal compassion. Compassion doesn't come from a government mandate but a willful act by the giver.

The members all agreed....just like our forefathers all agreed that the military would be paid by all, the believers also all agreed. They didn't have to do it, but then, they wouldn't have been believers, would they. And being that Republican/conservatives bitch about having to pay taxes...good luck with having them pay without being told.

I don't have a problem helping where I deem help is necessary. That's compassion and if you say I don't, prove it.

I don't give a rat's ass about your compassion. What you deem necessary may not be everybody else's definition of necessary.

You think compassion comes from seeing how many you can get the government to force things your way.

Says the idiot who supports a government that wants to shove an ultrasound instrument up a women's vagina because she wants to have an abortion that has been designated as legal by our Supreme Court? Who supports a government that keeps trying to repeal Obamacare, which has been deemed legal and Constitutional by the Supreme Court?
Go whine elsewhere, you're nothing but a hypocrite.

Sharing and charity doesn't involve you making the determination of how much someone else should give. That's a mandate and socialism. What Jesus taught was compassion. Learn the difference before you claim someone hasn't done something. It's apparently you haven't read the Bible or you believe what some ignorant Liberal told you it meant in order to fool you. The Bible is clear about how God will treat those who twist his word. Just wait.

Taxes are not charity, ignoramus. That is the law of the land. If you don't like paying taxes because they pay for things you don't approve then move elsewhere. I'm sick and tired of Republican/conservatives bitching about having to pay for things that they use, like roads and bridges, schools, libraries, parks, fire protection, police protection etc., etc. And yes, God hates hypocrites....so He will deal with you one day.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Corporations are not our enemy but never forget they aren't our friends.

Why would they be? Go join a support group if you need friends. But you had to respond with this wisdom to an October post?

We don't need them to be our friends, but if we didn't have a Government to protect us, we would be screwed. Credit companies could charge you whatever they wanted to in interest....nobody would be able to afford to buy a home. Health Care Insurance companies could write their own rules and charge whatever they wanted (that's what we had before Obamacare) and they excluded a lot of people due to pre-existing conditions. It's okay for corporations to make as much money as they can, but fleecing the middle-class and the poor is not right, and certainly not "Christian"....yet so many Christian conservatives think it is okay.

What a crock of shit.

I don't need the government protecting me related to credit cards. I took care of that myself by not having any.

I bought a house about 3 years ago. The government didn't have anything to do with the price I paid.

My healthcare was fine before Obamacare. The max out of pocket annually for me was $750.

Your another moron that thinks government mandates equates to Christianity yet none of the teachings of Jesus involved government mandates.

You want the government to do things because you're too fucking lazy to do them yourself.

I do wonder about you and others who feel the need to call everyone you disagree with stupid or a moron. My wonder is why, is this what you learned growing up?

Your comments are all about you, and how special you think yourself to be. Hint, you're not. IMO, you are a callous conservative, selfish, self righteous and arrogant. All necessary conditions to be a member of the set of the 21st Century Crazy Right Wing Republicans.

Of course you will deny siding with the Republicans, special people believe themselves to be above such pursuits.

 

[Boss]

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

(and 68 more..............)
75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

None of what you listed is Socialism. Some of the things you listed were enumerated in our Constitution and have been a part of our system from the start. Our founders didn't want a Socialist system. They wanted a system that was very different... where people are free from government and can achieve prosperity through free market capitalism and free enterprise. When they sat down to figure out how to make this work, they considered there were a few areas where free market capitalism didn't really work ideally because the incentives would be all wrong. Like the military... it's not that free market capitalism wouldn't be more efficient, the government-controlled system is very inefficient but free market doesn't work with the military because the incentives are wrong.

The founders were ideological geniuses who understood there were certain areas of mass consensus that could be established in conjunction with a free market system. But the system was designed to make those things rare and new legislation and regulation difficult... not impossible... but difficult. It has to go through the House, then the Senate (which was supposed to be the 'cooling chamber') then to the president. There is a reason they established a House of Representatives with roughly 700k per district, so that if your representative went too far in legislating away your freedoms you throw the bums out.

I didn't bother with the remaining "75 ways" because I already see the road we're going down. The OP wants to misrepresent Socialism and confuse people. Granted, progressives have implemented Socialist programs left and right, through hook or crook, and almost to the letter, they have failed miserably to do what was promised.

 

[sealybobo]

Corporations are not our enemy but never forget they aren't our friends.

Why would they be? Go join a support group if you need friends. But you had to respond with this wisdom to an October post?

We don't need them to be our friends, but if we didn't have a Government to protect us, we would be screwed. Credit companies could charge you whatever they wanted to in interest....nobody would be able to afford to buy a home. Health Care Insurance companies could write their own rules and charge whatever they wanted (that's what we had before Obamacare) and they excluded a lot of people due to pre-existing conditions. It's okay for corporations to make as much money as they can, but fleecing the middle-class and the poor is not right, and certainly not "Christian"....yet so many Christian conservatives think it is okay.

What a crock of shit.

I don't need the government protecting me related to credit cards. I took care of that myself by not having any.

I bought a house about 3 years ago. The government didn't have anything to do with the price I paid.

My healthcare was fine before Obamacare. The max out of pocket annually for me was $750.

Your another moron that thinks government mandates equates to Christianity yet none of the teachings of Jesus involved government mandates.

You want the government to do things because you're too fucking lazy to do them yourself.

I do wonder about you and others who feel the need to call everyone you disagree with stupid or a moron. My wonder is why, is this what you learned growing up?

Your comments are all about you, and how special you think yourself to be. Hint, you're not. IMO, you are a callous conservative, selfish, self righteous and arrogant. All necessary conditions to be a member of the set of the 21st Century Crazy Right Wing Republicans.

Of course you will deny siding with the Republicans, special people believe themselves to be above such pursuits.

I was listening to a piece on NPR about how people in Minnesota treat Somali immigrants very badly. Funny thing is, all the horrible things the people in Minnesota say to those Somali refuges are the exact same things Republicans on usmb say to and about us liberals.

 

[Iceweasel]

Corporations are not our enemy but never forget they aren't our friends.

Why would they be? Go join a support group if you need friends. But you had to respond with this wisdom to an October post?

We don't need them to be our friends, but if we didn't have a Government to protect us, we would be screwed. Credit companies could charge you whatever they wanted to in interest....nobody would be able to afford to buy a home. Health Care Insurance companies could write their own rules and charge whatever they wanted (that's what we had before Obamacare) and they excluded a lot of people due to pre-existing conditions. It's okay for corporations to make as much money as they can, but fleecing the middle-class and the poor is not right, and certainly not "Christian"....yet so many Christian conservatives think it is okay.

What a crock of shit.

I don't need the government protecting me related to credit cards. I took care of that myself by not having any.

I bought a house about 3 years ago. The government didn't have anything to do with the price I paid.

My healthcare was fine before Obamacare. The max out of pocket annually for me was $750.

Your another moron that thinks government mandates equates to Christianity yet none of the teachings of Jesus involved government mandates.

You want the government to do things because you're too fucking lazy to do them yourself.

I do wonder about you and others who feel the need to call everyone you disagree with stupid or a moron. My wonder is why, is this what you learned growing up?

Your comments are all about you, and how special you think yourself to be. Hint, you're not. IMO, you are a callous conservative, selfish, self righteous and arrogant. All necessary conditions to be a member of the set of the 21st Century Crazy Right Wing Republicans.

Of course you will deny siding with the Republicans, special people believe themselves to be above such pursuits.

I was listening to a piece on NPR about how people in Minnesota treat Somali immigrants very badly. Funny thing is, all the horrible things the people in Minnesota say to those Somali refuges are the exact same things Republicans on usmb say to and about us liberals.

Ja Wol, und dey disagree with the liberals in the same manner Dr. Mengele operated on the children!

 

[Mertex]

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved AmericaEveryone that uses the roads pays for them. Socialism would involve people using them that didn't pay.

That's not socialism so calling people idiots is hilarious. The roads were built buy private contractors, the state doesn't own the businesses.

Geez, are all conservatives really that dumb? Of course they were built by private contractors.....but the government paid for it, ignoramus. If the state owned the businesses, that would be called communism, and that isn't even what we are talking about. So try to stay relevant, okay?

Also, private contractors wouldn't be building any roads and highways out of their own pocket....

In the United States, almost all highway infrastructure is provided by the public sector. Although private firms play a large role in building, operating, and maintaining high- ways, the federal government and state and local govern- ments typically determine which projects to undertake and how much to spend on them
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fi...20xx/doc12043/01-19-highwayspending_brief.pdf

The state hires companies to do the people's bidding.

Are you trying to show how much you know, or did I say they didn't?

Progressives pretend all government spending is socialism. That would mean we've always been a socialist country, along with every other one.

Only a moron would go there.

Well, obviously you are the moron. I didn't say that all government spending is socialism....if you were to read the OP, where I listed the programs that are socialistic you would know that I didn't say everything is socialism.

Try and read before you open your mouth and reveal how uninformed you really are.

 

[Wry Catcher]

So we hear so many Americans claim they hate socialism and don't think Bernie Sanders would have a chance to win if he were selected as the Democratic candidate. I wonder how many truly understand socialism and are even enjoying socialism without even realizing it.

The one that really surprises me is the military......conservatives claim they love the military and don't mind the bulk of our tax-payer money going toward maintaining it....the military, it's the closest to socialism of the many programs we support.


Socialism.

There is nothing more feared and hated in America.

The word alone sends shivers down the spine of the American people.

Those three syllables conger up images of Big Brother Government ruling over us all, telling us what to eat, wear, buy, and think. Our children in national uniform being indoctrinated with propaganda in government education camps that use to be schools, turning them into little slaves. While their parents work twelve hour shifts in the concentration camp that slaughters rich successful billionaires, as the poor and needy get a million dollars a month in welfare. A murderous government waging a war against freedom and liberty to gain complete control over everyone and everything.
They imagine the USSR and how Democrats are turning America into it because our government will give money to poor people so they don't starve to death. (Giving money to billion dollar corporations is NOT socialism somehow. You would be a communist and a hippie to think otherwise.)

This is scary stuff!

And it's about to get scarier, because I have some terrifying news for you....

Socialism is alive and well in America and it has been here for a very long time!

Oh, that's not all. it gets much worse! I hope your sitting down...

As it turns out, You love socialism and you use it everyday, and you may not even know it! It may have even saved your life. I know, this is bad...


1. The Military/Defense - The United States military is the largest and most funded socialist program in the world. It operates thanks to our taxpayer dollars and protects the country as a whole. From the richest citizens to the homeless who sleep under the bridge. We are all protected by our military whether we pay taxes or not. This is complete socialism.

2. Highways/Roads - Those roads and highways you drive on every single day are completely taxpayer funded. Your tax dollars are used to maintain, expand, and preserve our highways and roads for every one's use. President Eisenhower was inspired by Germany's autobahn and implemented the idea right here in America. That's right, a republican president created our taxpayer funded, national highway system. This was a different time, before the republican party came down with a vicious case of rabies that never went away.

3. Public Libraries - Yes. That place where you go to check out books from conservative authors telling you how horrible socialism is, is in fact socialism. Libraries are taxpayer funded. You pay a few bucks to get a library card and you can read books for free for the rest of your life.

4. Police - Ever had a situation where you had to call the police? Then you have used a taxpayer funded socialist program. Anyone can call the police whether they pay taxes or not. They are there to protect and serve the community, not individuals. This is complete socialism on a state level, but still socialism all the same. Would you rather have to swipe your credit card before the police will help you?

5. Fire Dept. - Hopefully you have never had a fire in your home. But if you have, you probably called your local taxpayer-funded fire department to put the fire out. Like police, this is state socialism. You tax dollars are used to rescue your entire community in case of a fire. It use to be set up where you would pay a fee every month to the fire dept. for their service. If you didn't pay, they let your house burn down. Sadly, a man from Tennessee had this exact situation happen to him in 2011 because he didn't pay his $75.00 fee. I guess that small town in Tennessee would rather let people's houses burn down that resort to evil socialism. So don't take for granted the fact that you have a 24/7 fire dept. to put out your burning home thanks to socialism.

6. Postal Service - Like having mail delivered directly to your front door and paying next to nothing to send mail anywhere you want? Well it's all made possible by socialism.

7. Student Loans and Grants - Did you go to College? If you did, you family might not have been rich enough to pay your way through. So you got your education anyway through student loans and grants from the federal government at taxpayer expense. Of course you have to pay back the loans, but if not the government, did you know anyone else who was going to lend you tens of thousands of dollars? Probably not. So the taxpayers lent you the money and you paid it back with slight interest. The government grants you accepted were gifts from the taxpayer and the federal government that you did not have to pay back. Socialism got you through school.

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75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

None of what you listed is Socialism. Some of the things you listed were enumerated in our Constitution and have been a part of our system from the start. Our founders didn't want a Socialist system. They wanted a system that was very different... where people are free from government and can achieve prosperity through free market capitalism and free enterprise. When they sat down to figure out how to make this work, they considered there were a few areas where free market capitalism didn't really work ideally because the incentives would be all wrong. Like the military... it's not that free market capitalism wouldn't be more efficient, the government-controlled system is very inefficient but free market doesn't work with the military because the incentives are wrong.

The founders were ideological geniuses who understood there were certain areas of mass consensus that could be established in conjunction with a free market system. But the system was designed to make those things rare and new legislation and regulation difficult... not impossible... but difficult. It has to go through the House, then the Senate (which was supposed to be the 'cooling chamber') then to the president. There is a reason they established a House of Representatives with roughly 700k per district, so that if your representative went too far in legislating away your freedoms you throw the bums out.

I didn't bother with the remaining "75 ways" because I already see the road we're going down. The OP wants to misrepresent Socialism and confuse people. Granted, progressives have implemented Socialist programs left and right, through hook or crook, and almost to the letter, they have failed miserably to do what was promised.

Circumlocution ^^^ is not convincing, many will consider it an effort to baffle with too much bullshit.

The Truth of the Matter is very simple, we have both a private sector and a public sector and each provides services to our citizens. It is the Right Wing who use the term SOCIALISM (a perjorative in 21st Cent. political rhetoric) to convince the biddable that the Democratic Party seeks to transform our country into an undemocratic, authoritarian government such as exists in China, Russia and N. Korea, for example.

Such is totally untrue and serves to provide much political theater not worth the price of admission.

 

[Iceweasel]

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved AmericaEveryone that uses the roads pays for them. Socialism would involve people using them that didn't pay.

That's not socialism so calling people idiots is hilarious. The roads were built buy private contractors, the state doesn't own the businesses.

Geez, are all conservatives really that dumb? Of course they were built by private contractors.....but the government paid for it, ignoramus. If the state owned the businesses, that would be called communism, and that isn't even what we are talking about. So try to stay relevant, okay?

Wrong. The government doesn't pay for roads. We do. We hire them to take care of things like infrastructure, police (I guess they are socialists too?) emergency, etc. They are out of control but it still isn't socialism. You need to learn English before you run your big keyboard.

Definition of SOCIALISM
Full Definition of socialism

1. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
   
   
2. 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private propertyb : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
   

 

[Iceweasel]

The Truth of the Matter is very simple, we have both a private sector and a public sector and each provides services to our citizens. It is the Right Wing who use the term SOCIALISM (a perjorative in 21st Cent. political rhetoric) to convince the biddable that the Democratic Party seeks to transform our country into an undemocratic, authoritarian government such as exists in China, Russia and N. Korea, for example.

Such is totally untrue and serves to provide much political theater not worth the price of admission.

That was the equivalent of an internet fart.

 

[Boss]

Geez, are all conservatives really that dumb? Of course they were built by private contractors.....but the government paid for it, ignoramus.

No, the government didn't pay for it. The taxpayers pooled their resources and elected representatives who approved using those resources for that purpose. That is not Socialism. That's representative democracy. The government can't pay for anything, they have no magic money fairy.

The big problem with Socialism is it's based upon a lie. It is claimed to be "democratic control of means of production" but you can't have "democratic control" if the government controls it. In a Socialist system, you don't get a vote, the government decides for you. That's Socialist Democracy.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Now it seems this political discussion is framed on semantics.
The first rule of language is to learn the meaning of a word, some on this MB have been brainwashed to believe meaning is open to debate.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Add to it the red states take the most welfare.

Conservatives CRAVE socialism. Remember the guy with the sign "keep the governments hands off my medicare"? Conservatives just accept socialism as if it were a 'god' given right. The fact that they don't recognize it and are told over and over to demonize it doesn't mean they don't love it and live on it.

Conservatives ARE the socialists in America.

 

[Mertex]

None of what you listed is Socialism. Some of the things you listed were enumerated in our Constitution and have been a part of our system from the start.

So you think that because it is enumerated in our Constitution and has been part of our system from the start that it can't be called Socialism? If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.

You just don't know what you are talking about. What you and most Republican/conservatives try to do is equate the current form of Socialism to the Socialism aligned with Marxism or communism. Nobody is trying to make the United States into a totally socialist country....but we do have socialistic programs that both Democrats and Republicans enjoy....so to deny that there are and that you don't like them is a stretch.

In the 19th century, socialism functioned like, or was aligned with, Marxism or communism. In the 20th century and today, socialism functions differently. In those nations that utilize socialist systems, most notably the Scandinavian nations of Sweden, Norway, and Denmark, the state provides many public goods such as universal health care and public education and also controls the economy or ‘‘means of production.’’ Yet, citizens enjoy many of the same rights and liberties as those living in democratic republics, including freedom of speech and expression, freedom of the press, and freedom of religion, to name a few. The primary distinction between socialist nations and capitalist nations is the level of taxation. Obviously, taxes are much higher in socialist nations where the state controls the economy and provides more public goods to its citizens.
http://ung.edu/university-press/_uploads/files/Basics of American Government.pdf

Here's an interesting read regarding Socialism, our Forefathers and the Constitution...that contradicts your belief.
1) the government is not owned by anyone and we elect our president and representatives and have the power to fire (impeach) them. Each individual of voting age has the same vote power regardless of wealth so the government is a socialist system of public and common ownership and co-operative management.

2) The government is authorized by the constitution to collect taxes to pay for programs the government sees as benefiting the citizens welfare and providing for security. These programs do not just benefit specific groups but most benefit and are enjoyed by the majority of people. So our tax system was set up to be a socialist system that we all contribute to (supposedly) for the benefit of all citizens.

The founding fathers directed in the constitution certain government responsibilities such as military and national security:

1) the Military and national security is under direct authority of the president we elect so by proxy we have a common ownership of the military and national security and it is a socialist program that belongs to the citizens for the benefit of citizens.

2) Public roads, bridges, libraries, postal service and fire stations were programs designed by the founding fathers to benefit citizens and as these grew taxes were collected to pay for them making all citizens common owners of these public works.

So I think it is fair to say that our founding fathers believed that socialist programs that benefited the majority of citizens were constitutional and ethical and almost every president and congress has supported some socialist programs and have added new ones as the need arose.
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Were The Founding Fathers Socialists ?

 

[Boss]

Circumlocution ^^^ is not convincing, many will consider it an effort to baffle with too much bullshit.

The Truth of the Matter is very simple, we have both a private sector and a public sector and each provides services to our citizens. It is the Right Wing who use the term SOCIALISM (a perjorative in 21st Cent. political rhetoric) to convince the biddable that the Democratic Party seeks to transform our country into an undemocratic, authoritarian government such as exists in China, Russia and N. Korea, for example.

Such is totally untrue and serves to provide much political theater not worth the price of admission.

Well, I am sorry you think I'm using too many words. I try to dumb it down as much as possible... there have been volumes and volumes written on this subject and I've only touched on a small point or two. My reply was much less verbose than the OP.

No one is exaggerating anything on the right... this thread was posted by a left-winger lauding the greatness of Socialism. Bernie Sanders is a self-proclaimed Socialist. It's EXACTLY what the Democrat party wants to "fundamentally transform" America into... a Socialist Utopia. EXACTLY what was established in Cuba, Russia and N. Korea... where the "RULER" issues Executive Edicts bypassing the Congressional process to enact their Socialist agenda. The say that's what they want to do and are very open about it. That's not "the right" saying it... it's coming from their mouths.

We have a public sector where our founders established in the Constitution (Article 1 Sec. 8) the enumerated powers in which our government has certain powers considered to be of mass consensus. This is LIMITED power enumerated to a central government and the REMAINING power is left to the states and people. So the examples being presented as "Socialism" here are actually a part of our established system for the most part and always have been.

 

[NLT]

The OP doesn't have fricken clue in her head that has not been put there by Daily Kos, Huffpo, MSNBC & the DNC. She is a perfect example of a leftard twat.

 

[Political Junky]

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved AmericaEveryone that uses the roads pays for them. Socialism would involve people using them that didn't pay.

That's not socialism so calling people idiots is hilarious. The roads were built buy private contractors, the state doesn't own the businesses.

Geez, are all conservatives really that dumb? Of course they were built by private contractors.....but the government paid for it, ignoramus. If the state owned the businesses, that would be called communism, and that isn't even what we are talking about. So try to stay relevant, okay?

Wrong. The government doesn't pay for roads. We do. We hire them to take care of things like infrastructure, police (I guess they are socialists too?) emergency, etc. They are out of control but it still isn't socialism. You need to learn English before you run your big keyboard.

Definition of SOCIALISM
Full Definition of socialism

1. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
   
   
2. 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private propertyb : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

We're a long way from having no private property.

 

[Political Junky]

The OP doesn't have fricken clue in her head that has not been put there by Daily Kos, Huffpo, MSNBC & the DNC. She is a perfect example of a leftard twat.

And you get every talking point from Fox and other Right Wing sources.

 

[Boss]

So you think that because it is enumerated in our Constitution and has been part of our system from the start that it can't be called Socialism?

Well, a moron can call a fucking ham sandwich Socialism if he wants to... doesn't mean it is!

You can't really argue that things which were established from the start are also things that made America greater... they were there from the start. You're trying to credit Socialism with things that were already enumerated, already part of our unique system which made us great from the start.

Our founders didn't establish a Socialist system. The opposed Socialism. Their system was specifically designed as an alternative to Socialism where free people were free to decide things on their own without interference or regulation of government in a free market, free enterprise system.

 

[Iceweasel]

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved AmericaEveryone that uses the roads pays for them. Socialism would involve people using them that didn't pay.

That's not socialism so calling people idiots is hilarious. The roads were built buy private contractors, the state doesn't own the businesses.

Geez, are all conservatives really that dumb? Of course they were built by private contractors.....but the government paid for it, ignoramus. If the state owned the businesses, that would be called communism, and that isn't even what we are talking about. So try to stay relevant, okay?

Wrong. The government doesn't pay for roads. We do. We hire them to take care of things like infrastructure, police (I guess they are socialists too?) emergency, etc. They are out of control but it still isn't socialism. You need to learn English before you run your big keyboard.

Definition of SOCIALISM
Full Definition of socialism

1. 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
   
   
2. 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private propertyb : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

We're a long way from having no private property.

Who said we were?