Socialism Always Leaves Things Worse Than It Found

[shockedcanadian]

Take it from a Canadian who has experienced the ugliest, abusive element of socialism, where the security apparatus cares little about a paper thin Charter of Rights and far more focused on centralized state powers and organization protection...it's an indefensible system. Thoroughly indefensible and an insult to the very soul of human existence.

To me a socialist is the person who was their entire life a low performer looking for an angle to exploit so they can live the high life while someone else does the heavy lifting. None worse than leaders who feel entitled to their bounty simply because of their station in life.

Do you consider Canada "socialist"?
If so, then you believe most EU countries are socialist?
In general, Canada & EU are countries that appear relatively successful in terms of their citizens' overall "happiness".

Overall happiness, or blissfully ignorant? Canadians are conditioned to accept their plight, to not be ambition or independent because the Nanny State will take care of them. In return, their individual rights have no meaning, you are beholden to the government for their benevolence...

I was born poor, graduated top of my class, was a top performer at a major corporation was and am as ambitious as anyone, a high performer my entire life in sports and academics. The security apparatus ruined my pursuits.

In Canada it's a caste system, you are born poor you will die poor the state assures this. You should just be happy you have a warm bowl of soup for dinner and your flu shots are paid for.

Furthermore there is no accountability or recourse, which is why I had to blow the whistle as I did. In America you can be born poor and succeed, you can immigrate to America with $5 in your pocket and become an independently wealthy and successful individual all based on your talents. This ideology runs contrary to socialists.

 

[danielpalos]

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Why blame socialism for lousy management.

Hostess had similar problems, but blamed Labor and kept their bonuses.

 

[PK1]

I was born poor, graduated top of my class, was a top performer at a major corporation was and am as ambitious as anyone, a high performer my entire life in sports and academics. The security apparatus ruined my pursuits.

In Canada it's a caste system, you are born poor you will die poor the state assures this. ...

You are going to die "poor"?
The Canadian system rewards only the non-poor??
That sounds like USA in 99% of the cases. You would be in the 1%.

 

[shockedcanadian]

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Why blame socialism for lousy management.

Hostess had similar problems, but blamed Labor and kept their bonuses.

You truly believe that the collapses of multiple socialists states is bad management? How would you define the gulags in Russia? "Human Resource allocation issues"?

 

[shockedcanadian]

I was born poor, graduated top of my class, was a top performer at a major corporation was and am as ambitious as anyone, a high performer my entire life in sports and academics. The security apparatus ruined my pursuits.

In Canada it's a caste system, you are born poor you will die poor the state assures this. ...

You are going to die "poor"?
The Canadian system rewards only the non-poor??
That sounds like USA in 99% of the cases. You would be in the 1%.

It's called upward mobility. Which doesn't exist outside of government work. You can connect the dots on how that works and more importantly how sustainable it is (hint, see Ontarios debt currently at $315B for a small economy).

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

It's the end of the Progressive rainbow

 

[RDD_1210]

For the OP or anyone else, outside of the U.S. what countries do you consider to be the most successful and prosperous today? You can define success in any way you want. Just want to see who you consider to be running their country the right way.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

 

[shockedcanadian]

For the OP or anyone else, outside of the U.S. what countries do you consider to be the most successful and prosperous today? You can define success in any way you want. Just want to see who you consider to be running their country the right way.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

You are confusing social nets with socialism. Vast difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Of course, in all nations that practice socialism, those getting the largest handouts are state patsies and government "leaders".

 

[RDD_1210]

For the OP or anyone else, outside of the U.S. what countries do you consider to be the most successful and prosperous today? You can define success in any way you want. Just want to see who you consider to be running their country the right way.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

You are confusing social nets with socialism. Vast difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Of course, in all nations that practice socialism, those getting the largest handouts are state patsies and government "leaders".

I am not confusing anything, hence why I put socialism in quotes. What people call socialism in this country is far more abundant in those countries that you site as successful.

 

[shockedcanadian]

For the OP or anyone else, outside of the U.S. what countries do you consider to be the most successful and prosperous today? You can define success in any way you want. Just want to see who you consider to be running their country the right way.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

You are confusing social nets with socialism. Vast difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Of course, in all nations that practice socialism, those getting the largest handouts are state patsies and government "leaders".

I am not confusing anything, hence why I put socialism in quotes. What people call socialism in this country is far more abundant in those countries that you site as successful.

However, clearly not socialist countries, wouldn't you agree?

Socialism today has evolved into what I call "quasi-communism". This is an apt description for Ontario for instance. The new communism is borrow on the backs of future generations for todays trough.

The trough consists of massive swaths of sectors, industries and segments of the economy in which government has partial or outright control. This control can be exercized by ownership (classic definition) or, via barriers to free market competition. Regulations, covert police operations against foreign businesses, cronyism and handouts to friends and associates.

The countries I listed believe first and foremost that individual creativity and innovation best drive the economy. Maximum freedoms for citizen and little government intervention. In Canada's case, we violate human rights and business rights for state purposes, to hell with free markets because that would weaken the influence of the government. Something loyalists cannot allow to happen. There are many nations around the world doing the same, Canada has been riding their undeserved reputation as a capitalist nation for far too long, it is a fallacy which is quickly being exposed, especially in Toronto and Ontario more broadly.

 

[danielpalos]

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Why blame socialism for lousy management.

Hostess had similar problems, but blamed Labor and kept their bonuses.

You truly believe that the collapses of multiple socialists states is bad management? How would you define the gulags in Russia? "Human Resource allocation issues"?

Lousy social management. We have plenty of waste in modern times, with our welfare and warfare payments.

 

[danielpalos]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

It's the end of the Progressive rainbow

Just special pleading. Capitalist South Africa fell in about three years under capitalism. Cuba is now re-enjoying trade relations.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Take it from a Canadian who has experienced the ugliest, abusive element of socialism, where the security apparatus cares little about a paper thin Charter of Rights and far more focused on centralized state powers and organization protection...it's an indefensible system. Thoroughly indefensible and an insult to the very soul of human existence.

To me a socialist is the person who was their entire life a low performer looking for an angle to exploit so they can live the high life while someone else does the heavy lifting. None worse than leaders who feel entitled to their bounty simply because of their station in life.

Scoundrels each and every one of them.

Holy shit. It's like you know Bernie Sanders personally. And Pelosi, Obama etc

 

[Missouri_Mike]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

It's the end of the Progressive rainbow

Just special pleading. Capitalist South Africa fell in about three years under capitalism. Cuba is now re-enjoying trade relations.

They took farms away from white people to give them to blacks that weren't farmers. Where was the capitalism in that?

 

[ScienceRocks]

I'll agree that socialism in its pure form that destroys capitalism and stops people from going for their dreams is bad....

Now if you're comparing it to a mixed economy in which every society on earth that is first world has....Well, you're once again a fool.

 

[Aries]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

 

[Mac1958]

"Socialism" is now as broad a term as "racism". It means almost anything.

That's what happens when too many people use hyperbole to describe things.
.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Sad what has happened in Venezuela, but you are over-simplifying things in order to support your bias. These are the top socialist countries in the world:

• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

And these countries have the highest standard of living in the world.
The "Social Progress Index" collates the scores of three main indexes:

• Basic Human Needs, which includes medical care, sanitation, and shelter.
• Foundations of Wellbeing, which covers education, access to technology, and life expectancy.
• Opportunity, which looks at personal rights, freedom of choice, and general tolerance.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. " ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Nordic nations have the highest standard of living, and now Finland has made it official.
• (The 19 countries with the highest standard of life)
• The U.S. came in 19th. And Trump will put us down somewhere to 25th.

So you see, you're just flat out wrong....again.

 

[Doc1]

Socialism is about making everyone equally poor.

 

[danielpalos]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

It's the end of the Progressive rainbow

Just special pleading. Capitalist South Africa fell in about three years under capitalism. Cuba is now re-enjoying trade relations.

They took farms away from white people to give them to blacks that weren't farmers. Where was the capitalism in that?

It was a different government.