Socialism folks. Here you go. What you wont learn in our schools about it.

[CrusaderFrank]

It is also caused by having all yer eggs in one basket(oil) Venezuela is sitting on the largest known reservoir of oil in zee vorld..
Yet the prices that helped Ven. become so rich is the same carriage which carried Ven. to it's disposition now, low oil prices, 1/2 of what they were in 2008. That occurred in 2014 with a 45% drop in just one year. I also stopped getting oil royalty checks that year also....
No economy can handle such a drop in commodity prices when they have but one major product to sell...

So there were no people in Venezuela, only oil. Interesting

 

[2aguy]

What happened and is still happening in Venezuela is not socialism, it's what happens when a dictatorship runs wild.

Yeah...

Socialism

Fucking moron

Democratic socialism is the form of government you have in the USA. An army paid from the tax revenues, is socialism. As is Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicaid. Republicans keep trying to strangle these programs instead of building and sustaining them, even though their constituents would die without them.

No, moron....we have some crap that can only be managed by the government, and those programs always run out of control...as you just listed them, all running out of money, all out of control, filled with waste, theft and corruption........... and the one thing that keeps them in check? Capitalism that provides the money......and the rule of law that keeps the socialists from filling mass graves with their enemies...

 

[bripat9643]

Instead they learn this...

It is also caused by having all yer eggs in one basket(oil) Venezuela is sitting on the largest known reservoir of oil in zee vorld..
Yet the prices that helped Ven. become so rich is the same carriage which carried Ven. to it's disposition now, low oil prices, 1/2 of what they were in 2008. That occurred in 2014 with a 45% drop in just one year. I also stopped getting oil royalty checks that year also....
No economy can handle such a drop in commodity prices when they have but one major product to sell...

That fails to explain how other countries can thrive without a drop of oil in the ground. Look at Europe and Japan.

 

[bripat9643]

What happened and is still happening in Venezuela is not socialism, it's what happens when a dictatorship runs wild.

Yeah...

Socialism

Fucking moron

If you really believe that then it's not me who is the moron.

It certainly is you who is the moron.

 

[danielpalos]

What happened and is still happening in Venezuela is not socialism, it's what happens when a dictatorship runs wild.

Yeah...

Socialism

Fucking moron

Democratic socialism is the form of government you have in the USA. An army paid from the tax revenues, is socialism. As is Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicaid. Republicans keep trying to strangle these programs instead of building and sustaining them, even though their constituents would die without them.

No, we have a representative republic. The defense of the US is enumerated in the constitution and is not socialism.

Paying for anything the benefits society using tax dollars collected from the populace, is socialism. In Roman times, the army was paid by its general. Rome was the first republic. That's why Rome would not allow the any army within the city limits, even the armies of Rome. The soldiers owed their loyalty to their general and could easily overthrow the elected government.

The US army is paid for by the people, not its generals, not the countries leaders - the people. That makes it a socialist structure.

Your Founders envisioned a country where everyone was equal, with liberty and justice for all. They envisoned a socialist Republic, because the only way you can have liberty and justice for all, is if all of the people are responsible for paying for it - a socialist structure.

I'll not disagree with all of this but the founders never envisioned a govt that pampers its people by taking money away from the populace to fund never ending social programs. That vision about justice and liberty for all was each person forging their on way in this new experiment. The welfare for all came along when fdr moved in.

solve the actual problem, then.

 

[danielpalos]

What happened and is still happening in Venezuela is not socialism, it's what happens when a dictatorship runs wild.

Yeah...

Socialism

Fucking moron

Democratic socialism is the form of government you have in the USA. An army paid from the tax revenues, is socialism. As is Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicaid. Republicans keep trying to strangle these programs instead of building and sustaining them, even though their constituents would die without them.

No, we have a representative republic. The defense of the US is enumerated in the constitution and is not socialism.

Providing for the General welfare must cover any specific welfare.

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Yeah...

Socialism

Fucking moron

Democratic socialism is the form of government you have in the USA. An army paid from the tax revenues, is socialism. As is Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicaid. Republicans keep trying to strangle these programs instead of building and sustaining them, even though their constituents would die without them.

No, we have a representative republic. The defense of the US is enumerated in the constitution and is not socialism.

Providing for the General welfare must cover any specific welfare.

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

Yeah, the founders were just kidding around.

 

[Dragonlady]

Democratic socialism is the form of government you have in the USA. An army paid from the tax revenues, is socialism. As is Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicaid. Republicans keep trying to strangle these programs instead of building and sustaining them, even though their constituents would die without them.

No, we have a representative republic. The defense of the US is enumerated in the constitution and is not socialism.

Providing for the General welfare must cover any specific welfare.

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

Yeah, the founders were just kidding around.

In the Founders' era, there was no such thing as "welfare" payments to the poor. There was no provision for anyone other than religious charity, and such things as a guaranteed income for all had never been considered much less practiced, so to suggest that the Founders had any idea one way or the other on how to deal with poverty and need on a massive scale, is ridiculous.

The Founders also didn't envision a massive sprawling nation of 335 million people. The country was founded with fewer than 3 million people in 13 colonies along the East Coast of North America. So of course the Founders envisioned a small country with limited government.

But the country has grown, and now you have a country of 335 million people, spanning the width of the continent, one of the largest, most populous countries in the world, and you're still using the structure design to underpin a small country along the East Coast of North America. That's like building a 100 storey skyscraper, on the foundation for a single family dwelling. You country is tottering because the Foundation is old and completely out of date, and cannot support the structure that has grown out of it.

 

[danielpalos]

Democratic socialism is the form of government you have in the USA. An army paid from the tax revenues, is socialism. As is Medicaid, Social Security, and Medicaid. Republicans keep trying to strangle these programs instead of building and sustaining them, even though their constituents would die without them.

No, we have a representative republic. The defense of the US is enumerated in the constitution and is not socialism.

Providing for the General welfare must cover any specific welfare.

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

Yeah, the founders were just kidding around.

i cited our actual Constitution and supreme law of the land.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The fucking morons who think it is only due to a "tyrannical leader" and not because of socialism that has resulted in 100 dollar hamburgers inflation, need to then explain this......


In California. Only run by democrats and socialist policies.

The fucking morons who think it is only due to a "tyrannical leader" and not because of socialism that has resulted in 100 dollar hamburgers inflation, need to then explain this......


In California. Only run by democrats and socialist policies.

You post a video of a

The fucking morons who think it is only due to a "tyrannical leader" and not because of socialism that has resulted in 100 dollar hamburgers inflation, need to then explain this......


In California. Only run by democrats and socialist policies.

It's not within the scope of my knowledge to explain to you what happened in Venezuela? Why do you use Venezuela, a country which has suffered under a variety of bad governments over the years, as an example of socialism. It's also an example mistreatment at the hands of the IMF and the World Bank, and what happens when the bottom drops out of the oil prices and oil is your only export, and the foundation of your economy.

Why not use the examples of successful socialist countries like Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Norway, Finland, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Belgium - really all of the first world? Why because you need to show socialism doesn't work. Except it does - in SPADES. The best places to live in the world, the places where the PEOPLE have the MOST FREEDOMS, are all socialist countries.

And they all allow gay marriage, and have free health care for all.

Notice how she avoided saying the other great Socialist Failure going on …..FRANCE....

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

No, we have a representative republic. The defense of the US is enumerated in the constitution and is not socialism.

Providing for the General welfare must cover any specific welfare.

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

Yeah, the founders were just kidding around.

In the Founders' era, there was no such thing as "welfare" payments to the poor. There was no provision for anyone other than religious charity, and such things as a guaranteed income for all had never been considered much less practiced, so to suggest that the Founders had any idea one way or the other on how to deal with poverty and need on a massive scale, is ridiculous.

The Founders also didn't envision a massive sprawling nation of 335 million people. The country was founded with fewer than 3 million people in 13 colonies along the East Coast of North America. So of course the Founders envisioned a small country with limited government.

But the country has grown, and now you have a country of 335 million people, spanning the width of the continent, one of the largest, most populous countries in the world, and you're still using the structure design to underpin a small country along the East Coast of North America. That's like building a 100 storey skyscraper, on the foundation for a single family dwelling. You country is tottering because the Foundation is old and completely out of date, and cannot support the structure that has grown out of it.

It isnt the government responsibility to make sure everyone has an income or food on the table, or a house over their head...The government is there to protect US from invading hordes and liberal criminals. It is the responsibility of EACH INDIVIDUAL to take care of themselves and their families, like it was at the founding....Too many DUMB people have given their dream to the government just so they can get that government cheese...

 

[bripat9643]

No, we have a representative republic. The defense of the US is enumerated in the constitution and is not socialism.

Providing for the General welfare must cover any specific welfare.

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

Yeah, the founders were just kidding around.

In the Founders' era, there was no such thing as "welfare" payments to the poor. There was no provision for anyone other than religious charity, and such things as a guaranteed income for all had never been considered much less practiced, so to suggest that the Founders had any idea one way or the other on how to deal with poverty and need on a massive scale, is ridiculous.

The Founders also didn't envision a massive sprawling nation of 335 million people. The country was founded with fewer than 3 million people in 13 colonies along the East Coast of North America. So of course the Founders envisioned a small country with limited government.

But the country has grown, and now you have a country of 335 million people, spanning the width of the continent, one of the largest, most populous countries in the world, and you're still using the structure design to underpin a small country along the East Coast of North America. That's like building a 100 storey skyscraper, on the foundation for a single family dwelling. You country is tottering because the Foundation is old and completely out of date, and cannot support the structure that has grown out of it.

There also was no such thing as "poverty on a massive scale." That only develops when government creates it by paying people to have babies out of wedlock and paying people not to work. The Founders were aware of previous welfare states and their problems like the Roman Empire. They stated repeatedly that redistributing income was not a proper function of government.

 

[Crepitus]

What happened and is still happening in Venezuela is not socialism, it's what happens when a dictatorship runs wild.

Keep telling yourself that if that's what helps you sleep at night

I will, denial isn't my thing.

 

[Mac1958]

Just like left wingers screaming RACISM, right wingers screaming SOCIALISM means pretty much nothing now. Or anything.

Tedious. And so similar in their behaviors.

 

[Tax Man]

Instead they learn this...

I love the ignorance in this post.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Providing for the General welfare must cover any specific welfare.

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

Yeah, the founders were just kidding around.

In the Founders' era, there was no such thing as "welfare" payments to the poor. There was no provision for anyone other than religious charity, and such things as a guaranteed income for all had never been considered much less practiced, so to suggest that the Founders had any idea one way or the other on how to deal with poverty and need on a massive scale, is ridiculous.

The Founders also didn't envision a massive sprawling nation of 335 million people. The country was founded with fewer than 3 million people in 13 colonies along the East Coast of North America. So of course the Founders envisioned a small country with limited government.

But the country has grown, and now you have a country of 335 million people, spanning the width of the continent, one of the largest, most populous countries in the world, and you're still using the structure design to underpin a small country along the East Coast of North America. That's like building a 100 storey skyscraper, on the foundation for a single family dwelling. You country is tottering because the Foundation is old and completely out of date, and cannot support the structure that has grown out of it.

There also was no such thing as "poverty on a massive scale." That only develops when government creates it by paying people to have babies out of wedlock and paying people not to work. The Founders were aware of previous welfare states and their problems like the Roman Empire. They stated repeatedly that redistributing income was not a proper function of government.

The US is following the path of Rome, economically cannibalizing militarist empire, empirical decline and all.

 

[H B Lowrie]

Providing for the General welfare must cover any specific welfare.

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

Yeah, the founders were just kidding around.

In the Founders' era, there was no such thing as "welfare" payments to the poor. There was no provision for anyone other than religious charity, and such things as a guaranteed income for all had never been considered much less practiced, so to suggest that the Founders had any idea one way or the other on how to deal with poverty and need on a massive scale, is ridiculous.

The Founders also didn't envision a massive sprawling nation of 335 million people. The country was founded with fewer than 3 million people in 13 colonies along the East Coast of North America. So of course the Founders envisioned a small country with limited government.

But the country has grown, and now you have a country of 335 million people, spanning the width of the continent, one of the largest, most populous countries in the world, and you're still using the structure design to underpin a small country along the East Coast of North America. That's like building a 100 storey skyscraper, on the foundation for a single family dwelling. You country is tottering because the Foundation is old and completely out of date, and cannot support the structure that has grown out of it.

It isnt the government responsibility to make sure everyone has an income or food on the table, or a house over their head...The government is there to protect US from invading hordes and liberal criminals. It is the responsibility of EACH INDIVIDUAL to take care of themselves and their families, like it was at the founding....Too many DUMB people have given their dream to the government just so they can get that government cheese...

Oh we've all seen who our political system has a responsibility toward, and it is not we the people.

 

[bripat9643]

No it must not.

"“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” ------- James Madison

Madison was saying that gen welfare is not giving the government the authority over every area of life, but only those specific powers listed or enumerated in the constitution. If you read carefully through what madison wrote, you will see the exact problems that madison warned about now on display that are now causing the country to crumble.

We have a Commerce Clause. Regulating Commerce is an express Power delegated to Congress.

And, Madison was merely kidding.

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;-And

Yeah, the founders were just kidding around.

In the Founders' era, there was no such thing as "welfare" payments to the poor. There was no provision for anyone other than religious charity, and such things as a guaranteed income for all had never been considered much less practiced, so to suggest that the Founders had any idea one way or the other on how to deal with poverty and need on a massive scale, is ridiculous.

The Founders also didn't envision a massive sprawling nation of 335 million people. The country was founded with fewer than 3 million people in 13 colonies along the East Coast of North America. So of course the Founders envisioned a small country with limited government.

But the country has grown, and now you have a country of 335 million people, spanning the width of the continent, one of the largest, most populous countries in the world, and you're still using the structure design to underpin a small country along the East Coast of North America. That's like building a 100 storey skyscraper, on the foundation for a single family dwelling. You country is tottering because the Foundation is old and completely out of date, and cannot support the structure that has grown out of it.

There also was no such thing as "poverty on a massive scale." That only develops when government creates it by paying people to have babies out of wedlock and paying people not to work. The Founders were aware of previous welfare states and their problems like the Roman Empire. They stated repeatedly that redistributing income was not a proper function of government.

The US is following the path of Rome, economically cannibalizing militarist empire, empirical decline and all.

That is meaningless. Exactly which policies do you imagine are cause US decline?

 

[bripat9643]

Instead they learn this...

I love the ignorance in this post.

Aside from the ignorance of Sean Penn, what ignorance are you referring to?

 

[initforme]

So you want textbooks with this stuff in it correct?