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Righteous 1: SAID IDEOLOGIES HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
You have not proved any such OP.
You conflate socialism with communism: two different things.
You are epic fail, R1.
bigrebnc is as big a Hitler cherry picker as Righteous 1. They are both moronic. They both believe that he was a socialist. biggie (also known as Little Saul of the The Right) got his butt kicked for the better part of two weeks on that silly issue. His own sources were shown to him demonstrating that he was wrong. He just cried, saying we were picking on him. He is a nutter.
Jake
you would agree that a Socialist or a Fascist or a Communist state are all forms of Statisim?
He won't, he's either really, sadly, clueless as to what Hitler did to Germany's economy and civil rights, or is just a spammer out for lolz.
It's all common knowledge that Hitler nationalized pretty much whatever he could get his evil lil hands on, my picking out the best examples of this somehow discredit me?
LOL
Jake
you would agree that a Socialist or a Fascist or a Communist state are all forms of Statisim?
I would agree the U.S. owning 20% of the 1st US Bank is a form of statism by your understanding.
Nothing in my question hints to such a thing. Perhaps you are projecting again (bad habit of yours)
Your lack of a answer, however, is all the answer we need.
Jake,
just because it is fun to get you all , in the words of Papa Obama, "wee-wee-ed up"
What political leader said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Jake
you would agree that a Socialist or a Fascist or a Communist state are all forms of Statisim?
He won't, he's either really, sadly, clueless as to what Hitler did to Germany's economy and civil rights, or is just a spammer out for lolz.
It's all common knowledge that Hitler nationalized pretty much whatever he could get his evil lil hands on, my picking out the best examples of this somehow discredit me?
LOL
You are talking out your ass. Go study history, man, and stop keep revealing yourself as foolish and stupid as bigrebnc.
Annnnd now the spammer has progressed to quote raping.
Are you DENYING that Hitler had dissidents imprisoned and killed?
LOL you're a joke.
The joke is on you, little mind. I said Hitler imprisoned from Communists to Christians. You are DENYING that I said that?
You are epic fail on this, and getting more epic with each post.
Then adding words like "doofus" to insinuate that what I said was somehow stupid or false, is JUST THAT, as I already said before you that HITLER HAD EVERYONE WHO DISAGREED WITH HIM IMPRISONED AND KILLED, OBVIOUSLY INCLUDING COMMUNISTS AND CHRISTIANS. I'm getting tired of humoring your spamming, feeding the trolls, humiliating you, and so on. You offer nothing of real factuality, relevance, etc.
You have one last shot to redeem yourself before I ignore you.
There was a trust fund set up for social security that was to be used for social security, the government spent that money, they now borrow money to pay the people on social security.
I thought this was common knowledge.
That doesn't mean SS failed. The people are still getting SS checks and cost of living increases. It probably isn't common knowledge because it is still deducted out of pay checks. So where is that money going?
It means exactly that, its failed, when you overdraw your bank account do you tell your friends you successfully saved for the future.
You are a complete idiot and exactly the reason we have even stupider politicians.
Jake,
just because it is fun to get you all , in the words of Papa Obama, "wee-wee-ed up"
What political leader said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Righteous 1: SAID IDEOLOGIES HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
You have not proved any such OP.
You conflate socialism with communism: two different things.
You are epic fail, R1.
Righteous 1: SAID IDEOLOGIES HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
You have not proved any such OP.
You conflate socialism with communism: two different things.
You are epic fail, R1.
Jake they may different in terms of their use...Indeed, according to the "Father" of Communism, socialism is a necessary "step" to communism
According to Marx ( who have heard of him right)
Marx said , since socialism, the first stage of communism, would be "in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges", each worker would naturally expect to be awarded according to the amount of labor he contributes, despite the fact that each worker's ability and family circumstances would differ, so that the results would still be unequal at this stage
According to Lenin:
Lenin divided communism, the period following the overthrow of capitalism, into two stages: first socialism, and then later, once the last vestiges of the old capitalist ways have withered away, stateless communism or pure communism.So under appears that Socialism is nothing more than a transitional stage to the Utopia of Communism.
You do know that even the Soviets would have told you that they were in their "socialist state" while evolving into a Communist State
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_history#cite_note-3Perhaps, you think socialism is something different
Jake,
just because it is fun to get you all , in the words of Papa Obama, "wee-wee-ed up"
What political leader said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Tell us if that leader nationalized the production and means of industry, neo. I will be waiting.
bigrebnc is as big a Hitler cherry picker as Righteous 1. They are both moronic. They both believe that he was a socialist. biggie (also known as Little Saul of the The Right) got his butt kicked for the better part of two weeks on that silly issue. His own sources were shown to him demonstrating that he was wrong. He just cried, saying we were picking on him. He is a nutter.
Jake,
just because it is fun to get you all , in the words of Papa Obama, "wee-wee-ed up"
What political leader said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
THANK YOU.
You found it, I couldn't find the actual Manifesto on Google links, just the points.
Hitler did exactly that. It's beyond delusional, ignorant, and pathetic that Starkey troll, and his lot even try to argue this.
Jake,
just because it is fun to get you all , in the words of Papa Obama, "wee-wee-ed up"
What political leader said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Tell us if that leader nationalized the production and means of industry, neo. I will be waiting.
Well you have to say who the leader is first
that's the way this game is played
Jake,
just because it is fun to get you all , in the words of Papa Obama, "wee-wee-ed up"
What political leader said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
Tell us if that leader nationalized the production and means of industry, neo. I will be waiting.
Well you have to say who the leader is first
that's the way this game is played
Righteous 1: SAID IDEOLOGIES HAVE KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
You have not proved any such OP.
You conflate socialism with communism: two different things.
You are epic fail, R1.
Jake they may different in terms of their use...Indeed, according to the "Father" of Communism, socialism is a necessary "step" to communism
According to Marx ( who have heard of him right)
Marx said , since socialism, the first stage of communism, would be "in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges", each worker would naturally expect to be awarded according to the amount of labor he contributes, despite the fact that each worker's ability and family circumstances would differ, so that the results would still be unequal at this stageAccording to Lenin:
Lenin divided communism, the period following the overthrow of capitalism, into two stages: first socialism, and then later, once the last vestiges of the old capitalist ways have withered away, stateless communism or pure communism.So under appears that Socialism is nothing more than a transitional stage to the Utopia of Communism.
You do know that even the Soviets would have told you that they were in their "socialist state" while evolving into a Communist StatePerhaps, you think socialism is something different
So it appears you have stopped reading and thinking. JBeukema will correct you.
Guys, you can't have it both ways.
Tell us if that leader nationalized the production and means of industry, neo. I will be waiting.
Well you have to say who the leader is first
that's the way this game is played
LOL he might not even tho, JakeStarkey can't even do simple math for crying out loud, he's a spammer troll.
He needs to take medicine, as does anyone who would so crazily try to alter history to fit their laughable POV.
OK, the guy who kicks your ass in debate here is a "spammer troll". Go look up the definitions for both of those terms. You are such a doofus.
Jake,
just because it is fun to get you all , in the words of Papa Obama, "wee-wee-ed up"
What political leader said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
THANK YOU.
You found it, I couldn't find the actual Manifesto on Google links, just the points.
Hitler did exactly that. It's beyond delusional, ignorant, and pathetic that Starkey troll, and his lot even try to argue this.
You are being a doofus again. You have already admitted that you lied about my statement concerning who Hitler imprison and killed.
Now try to man up and tell us if Hitler nationalized industry.
Jake they may different in terms of their use...Indeed, according to the "Father" of Communism, socialism is a necessary "step" to communism
According to Marx ( who have heard of him right)
Marx said , since socialism, the first stage of communism, would be "in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges", each worker would naturally expect to be awarded according to the amount of labor he contributes, despite the fact that each worker's ability and family circumstances would differ, so that the results would still be unequal at this stageAccording to Lenin:
Lenin divided communism, the period following the overthrow of capitalism, into two stages: first socialism, and then later, once the last vestiges of the old capitalist ways have withered away, stateless communism or pure communism.So under appears that Socialism is nothing more than a transitional stage to the Utopia of Communism.
You do know that even the Soviets would have told you that they were in their "socialist state" while evolving into a Communist StatePerhaps, you think socialism is something different
So it appears you have stopped reading and thinking. JBeukema will correct you.
Guys, you can't have it both ways.
Jake,
to be honest, I have not read all the posts in this thread ( who has the time)
Perhaps, you have clearly defined socialism to some new meaning outside the interpretations of Marx and Lenin
Please, so we can all learn from you
state what YOU feel the real is the real meaning of socialism...
