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Are there not other systems of production not run on capital?A Socialist system of production is not run on capital.
How?Capital is that which oppresses.
Which is the definition of Socialism. Communism is a stateless existence where the community owns the means of production (which can never last and will revert to Socialism every time).hat is why underdeveloped countries that claim to be communist become dictatorships. All the capital is placed in the hands of the State.
ohhh Nooooo...you didn't get the attention you crave ?Lesh ran away.
I didn't respond instantly?
Get over yourself.
Socialism:
Government control or regulation of the means of production
There ya go. See how easy it is?
I agree with you.Government regulation of business is not "socialism."
I suppose it could be if there were a trash collection industry that was taken over by government.So how exactly does trash collection count as the government regulating the means of production?
I agree.Labor unions are not "socialism."
Are there not other systems of production not run on capital?Are there not other systems of production not run on capital?A Socialist system of production is not run on capital.
How?Capital is that which oppresses.
Which is the definition of Socialism. Communism is a stateless existence where the community owns the means of production (which can never last and will revert to Socialism every time).hat is why underdeveloped countries that claim to be communist become dictatorships. All the capital is placed in the hands of the State.
They are......if you feel the private market can handle everything, there should not be any government agencies collecting trash, inspecting food, insuring water/air quality, building roads/bridges/ports, etc....just have Amazon and a few other large multinational corps handle all of it....You mean Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid?Can we please just dispel the myth that taxpayer funded services are socialist programs?
That's not a myth. It's the facts. Those are certainly not free market programs.You may not like to admit that reality...but is is that
I've seen people on this forum say that everything from trash collection to the military are Socialist programs. You're probably one of them.
So, what do you do to get rid of capital? What would be the plan?Are there not other systems of production not run on capital?Are there not other systems of production not run on capital?A Socialist system of production is not run on capital.
How?Capital is that which oppresses.
Which is the definition of Socialism. Communism is a stateless existence where the community owns the means of production (which can never last and will revert to Socialism every time).hat is why underdeveloped countries that claim to be communist become dictatorships. All the capital is placed in the hands of the State.
I think not, but I could be wrong.
How?
Whoever controls capital has advantage over everyone else. If you have the capital invested in the media you have power over everyone's mental production. If you have capital to invest in Washington you have power over the political sphere. This is easy, it should be evident.
Which is the definition of Socialism. Communism is a stateless existence where the community owns the means of production (which can never last and will revert to Socialism every time).
Its the definition promoted by the people with the capital invested in printing dictionaries. It's not how I would define it. But I don't let others dictate what I think. I think for myself.
When I see trumptards use the term "Deep state" -- that is just code for whatever government entity or constitutional norm that prevents your cult leader from being a dictator -- which is ultimately what you folks want him to be...Built by and paid by who?You do realize trying something over and over again and expecting different results… Is insanity. I think a famous dude once said that?Well, I like millions of other Americans can’t think of anything worse than socialism.
Of course I’m going to reject it with every part of my being.
Any sort of freedom and socialism cannot coexist… That’s just the facts
You cannot even identify it, how can there be nothing worse?
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How can we know if it is being done over and over again when it cannot even be defined.
Are public roads socialist?
Is public law enforcement socialist?
Is the military an example of socialism?
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Like I’ve said, military police and fire are an necessary... obviously.
But our federal government/deep state are infinitely too large and, socialist entitlement programs have been out of control for decades. These things are not beneficial to conservative/libertarian‘s in anyway. They do not require our participation…
A strong argument could be made that capitalist greed is the reason the deep state has gotten so out of hand.
When I see trumptards use the term "Deep state" -- that is just code for whatever government entity or constitutional norm that prevents your cult leader from being a dictator -- which is ultimately what you folks want him to be...Built by and paid by who?You do realize trying something over and over again and expecting different results… Is insanity. I think a famous dude once said that?You cannot even identify it, how can there be nothing worse?
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How can we know if it is being done over and over again when it cannot even be defined.
Are public roads socialist?
Is public law enforcement socialist?
Is the military an example of socialism?
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Like I’ve said, military police and fire are an necessary... obviously.
But our federal government/deep state are infinitely too large and, socialist entitlement programs have been out of control for decades. These things are not beneficial to conservative/libertarian‘s in anyway. They do not require our participation…
A strong argument could be made that capitalist greed is the reason the deep state has gotten so out of hand.
Then after he is out of office (unless you no longer want term limits) -- you then want those entities and constitutional norms and any other obstruction to limit the next president because that president doesn't hate the same people you hate..
You try to make it sound so simple. It's the type and manner of regulations you support. Did you support Obama's regulations?I support regulations...you don't?So you support government control and regulation over all business?ohhh Nooooo...you didn't get the attention crave ?Lesh ran away.
I didn't respond instantly?
Get over yourself.
Socialism:
Government control or regulation of the means of production
There ya go. See how easy it is?
Trump was elected. No one elected the bureaucrats of the Deep State. They were appointed by Obama and others of his gang to run a shadow government. You know that, so don't play dumb.When I see trumptards use the term "Deep state" -- that is just code for whatever government entity or constitutional norm that prevents your cult leader from being a dictator -- which is ultimately what you folks want him to be...Built by and paid by who?You do realize trying something over and over again and expecting different results… Is insanity. I think a famous dude once said that?You cannot even identify it, how can there be nothing worse?
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How can we know if it is being done over and over again when it cannot even be defined.
Are public roads socialist?
Is public law enforcement socialist?
Is the military an example of socialism?
Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com
Like I’ve said, military police and fire are an necessary... obviously.
But our federal government/deep state are infinitely too large and, socialist entitlement programs have been out of control for decades. These things are not beneficial to conservative/libertarian‘s in anyway. They do not require our participation…
A strong argument could be made that capitalist greed is the reason the deep state has gotten so out of hand.
Then after he is out of office (unless you no longer want term limits) -- you then want those entities and constitutional norms and any other obstruction to limit the next president because that president doesn't hate the same people you hate..
Bullshit.If by "globalism" you mean global trade, I agree.Globalism is a natural consequence of the free market and capitalism. Only government intervention can stop it.
By "globalism" most of us who hate it equate it to a "one world order" type government where U.S. and State sovereignty, with our constitutional governments are destroyed and replaced.
Capitalism does not care about state sovereignty or borders or nationalism.
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That's a big question. It can't be answered until we have a knowledge of what capital is.So, what do you do to get rid of capital? What would be the plan?Are there not other systems of production not run on capital?Are there not other systems of production not run on capital?A Socialist system of production is not run on capital.
How?Capital is that which oppresses.
Which is the definition of Socialism. Communism is a stateless existence where the community owns the means of production (which can never last and will revert to Socialism every time).hat is why underdeveloped countries that claim to be communist become dictatorships. All the capital is placed in the hands of the State.
I think not, but I could be wrong.
How?
Whoever controls capital has advantage over everyone else. If you have the capital invested in the media you have power over everyone's mental production. If you have capital to invest in Washington you have power over the political sphere. This is easy, it should be evident.
Which is the definition of Socialism. Communism is a stateless existence where the community owns the means of production (which can never last and will revert to Socialism every time).
Its the definition promoted by the people with the capital invested in printing dictionaries. It's not how I would define it. But I don't let others dictate what I think. I think for myself.
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Read Marx, Capital vol 1.I constantly hear about the evils of capitalism but I never see a plan to remove capital. What will that look like?
Okay.That's a big question. It can't be answered until we have a knowledge of what capital is.
Why don't you summarize it for me?Read Marx, Capital vol 1.
You will start to get a picture of what it should look like.
Isn’t it trying to control the means of production? High tariffs are trying to change where we buy from.I would call tariffs taxation and market manipulation. I would not call it a government takeover of any industry.But it all depends on your definition. I would call tariffs socialism.
