Socialist medicine: Little British girl denied surgery due to 'budget cuts'

[Jarhead]

Thanks for the article Kiwiman

 

[kiwiman127]

Where would you draw the line as it pertains to "for profit healthcare"...

Should doctors not make a profit? Afte rall, they are healthcare providers.

Personal nursing agencies?

DME companies?

Drug companies? (should they simply be reimbursed for the cost of R and D, but not be allowed to profit on the curing of diseases?)

Do you see the slippery slope? It is a major part of our economy.

I have no problem with profits. I am simply pointing that profits lead to a higher cost for healthcare versus socialized medicine. True or not true?
I do have a problem with some of the profit schemes the healthcare industry has incorporated. Take defensive medicine. Incorporating defensive medicine to avoid malpractice law suits was a good idea. But now defensive medicine is a profit booster to the healthcare industry. According to Forbes, it's annual cost is $650 billion annually' I was in the hospital a couple years ago and they ran so many tests on me it was unbelievable. There were quite a few tests that were run on me that didn't apply I ad to tell them to stop it. I wanted each test explained to me why it was required for what I was being hospitalized..
Here's an interesting article: Defensive Medicine: A Cure Worse Than The Disease
Defensive Medicine: A Cure Worse Than The Disease - Forbes
I wonder if the healthcare industry would actually fight to keep defensive medicine as the norm considering what a profit booster it is.

Of course profits increase healthcare costs. But profits also increases employment. Good with bad thing.

Whereas defensive medicine was necessary, I believe it is something we need to eliminate as it, too increases healthcare costs. And the best way to eliminate it is to eliminate the frivolous mal practice suits...and redefine what malpractice is.

Having a scar that is ugly is not malpractice in my eyes. You chose the surgeon and if you chose one that is sloppier than another, that was your own fault for not doing your research.

Anyway, I think you see where I am coming from.

At this point? Single payer will likely be the best option. I fear we are way to deep into the ACA to go back to square one.

I can agree with you regarding frivolous malpractice lawsuits. So I have no problem with reform.
Single payer, well that would kill the insurance industry and thusly kill jobs. I'm a public option guy' I think public option would lead to insurance companies getting involved in serious negotiations on the costs associated with healthcare and that'd be good for everyone.
I'm no fan of ACA, what a mess and the mandate killed any support I might have had,

 

[Theowl32]

Profits and FREE MARKET are different concepts. There is a reason why Mcdonalfs has a dollar menu and does not charge 15 dollars for a Big Mac.

Competition keeps costs to the consumer down.

The medical industry has not been a true free market. Lawyers and government regulations have been a road block to this process.

Tort reform is imperative, however the National Lawyers Guild is that powerful.

BTW most Personal Injury lawyers are mostly registered democrats.

You all getting it now?

 

[Vox]

You truly are a despicable turd.

That's the most intelligent response you were able to come up with?

What did I get wrong? What did I say that isn't an accurate representation of the conservative model for healthcare?

Say this was the US. Conservatives want to cut Medicaid, do they not? If conservatives got their way, and cut Medicaid, and someone who would have otherwise had this operation paid for BY THE GOVERNMENT was no longer eligible,

because of conservative cuts to Medicaid,

you would be outraged?

lol, take a hike.

you lied. that is a typical leftard model of health care - denying life changing treatments as The Government feels like it.

you are deemed unnecessary.

as the giraffe Marius.

 

[Manchester]

I find this entire thread totally mystifying. Little girl gets surgery cancelled in the British NHS. Very sad but under the US model she would never have had that surgery booked in the first place unless her family had paid for it themselves. Or if they had health insurance for her.

But private healthcare and health insurance for private healthcare both also exist in the Britain for anyone who doesn't want to use the national health service. So where is the illustration of how bad "socialist medicine" is?

 

[Politico]

Coming to a neighborhood near you.

 

[Manchester]

Coming to a neighborhood near you.

That means nothing

 

[JakeStarkey]

Get ready America. We are next.

When? When conservatives get into power and make massive cuts in the government funding of healthcare?

Of course. Then, someone who would have had the government pay for the operation would no longer be covered by the government,

because of the cuts.

putting aside the "us against you guys" attitude....

You are correct. As the ACA is set up, once it is in full swing it would be irresponsible to try to defund it or repeal it...or even cut the budget for it.

That is why many on the right wanted it repealed or defunded before it started.

Now, I know...we can argue "why defund it before it started"....we see it from two different positions and that will never change.

But as silly and irresponsible it seemed for those on the right to continually try to stop it dead in its tracks, there was rhyme and reason to it as it pertains to our ideology and concern about the law itself.

The ideology and concerned were flawed from the beginning with personal political gain and ego.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The reasons sound like those used by our health insurance industry to deny care.

 

[Politico]

Coming to a neighborhood near you.

That means nothing

To you I am sure it doesn't.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You truly are a despicable turd.

That's the most intelligent response you were able to come up with?

What did I get wrong? What did I say that isn't an accurate representation of the conservative model for healthcare?

Say this was the US. Conservatives want to cut Medicaid, do they not? If conservatives got their way, and cut Medicaid, and someone who would have otherwise had this operation paid for BY THE GOVERNMENT was no longer eligible,

because of conservative cuts to Medicaid,

you would be outraged?

lol, take a hike.

you lied. that is a typical leftard model of health care - denying life changing treatments as The Government feels like it.

you are deemed unnecessary.

as the giraffe Marius.

So the error here was the budget cut to the UK's taxpayer funded healthcare?

 

[Manchester]

Coming to a neighborhood near you.

That means nothing

To you I am sure it doesn't.

No, really it means nothing. It's a throw away hollywoodized line with no meaning at all.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Everybody in the Tea Party knows that:

If the government denies health care funding: that is bad.
If Private insurance companies deny health care funding: that's good!
That gives me a certain amount of comfort, since my entire career put me into a position where I denied health care to thousands in the private insurance industry. It kind of makes me sleep better at night, knowing that the Right approved of my decisions to let people suffer and die. The stockholders appreciated my work, too.... And, of course, being an x-republican, I am pragmatic, and am heavyily invested in health insurance stocks, which have skyrocketed since Obama's election!

 

[Politico]

I understand about the nursing shortage....but that is due to the salary structure. People like your sister see how those "doing the bare minimum" get the same pay and the same raises she does. And as for promotions, she watches those that use every sick day, personal day, floating holiday and bereavement day they can get away with, wind up with the promotion (and pay increase) due to their tenure.

Offer true incentives for a long term REWARDING career, and people will strive to go into nursing.

All those perks you speak of should lead to more folks getting into nursing,,no?

Sadly, nursing is not a rewarding career. It is a noble career and I commend your sister. But rewarding? I know a woman who has been a hospital nurse for over 25 years. Higher education, and dedication to her career. She is still making less than 100K and her "promotions" have been limited due to the higher weighted "longer tenure" group ahead of her.

It is weighted higher because of the "comfort" of a union so they stick with it for 40 years. And after that period of time, they know how to game the game...maximize their income at the bear minimum of hours worked..

But that is not the type of career todays generation wants. If you are going to go to 4 years of school and continuing education commitments, you want to know that a good work ethic and a dedication to the cause will be recognized and rewarded.

So yes....offer an ADVANCING career as opposed to a steady career, and people will trend to it.

Making upwards of 100k is more than noble. It is fat money. Anyone doing that for 40 years would retire in style unless they are a fiscal idiot.

 

[Political Junky]

Surely, no one has been denied an operation by private insurance, right?

 

[Politico]

You do have sense of humor.