jasonnfree
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It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…
So you mean deadbeats are people who aren't sick but pretend they are? Like many things, we need a balance between socialism and capitalism.
A 'balance between socialism and capitalism' is the cause of all the problems we have right now.
Just think about it. Which areas of the economy right now are having tons of problems? The virtually unregulated office supply market? The unegulating computer market? The unregulated building supply market? Electrical market? Food market?
No, none of these areas of our economy, and many others, are having any problems whatsoever. A purely capitalistic system, that provides the most good, to the most people.
So what areas are having problems? The highly regulated housing market, with a centralized government entity, Fannie and Freddie, controlling the vast majority of the market.
The highly regulated health care market, with a centralized government agency, Medicare, controlling the vast majority of the market.
The highly regulated banking market, with a centralized government agencies, FDIC and the Federal Reserve, controlling the vast majority of the market.
If having a balance in capitalism verse socialism, was the key, then why is it that all the unregulated capitalists system have no problem providing services and products for the people, but all the 'balanced' socialized systems do?
Socialism never works. Never. Not one time. And trying to have some sort of a hybrid system, means that people game the system, until it breaks.
So you mean deadbeats are people who aren't sick but pretend they are?
Yes. That is very common, but also it means more than that.
For example, here in Ohio, we have had several doctors get sent to prison because they handed out tons of prescriptions for oxycodone, to people who asked for it.
Doctors would move into economically depressed areas, where people wanted to medicate their pain away. Doctors knew this, so they go there, open up a shop, charge people $250 per person, and hand out a prescription for $1,000 worth of pills.
So how can they afford this? Medicaid. Medicaid covers the majority of the cost. They then take the pills and sell them for $10,000, which covers the cost of the next doctor visit, and the co-pay for medicaid, and of course some money and pills left over to get high off of.
In a free-market capitalist system, where the patient was paying the bill themselves, this would never work.
But of course the left-wing would hunt down some person, make up a story that they were on the verge of dying, and the evil Republicans were doing it to them.
In reality, their system has caused the opioid mass deaths across the country right now... AND is bankrupting the country.
There are other situations too. For example, more and more people are choosing to live a promiscuous lifestyle, and highest rates of new HIV infections is happening in this group. We have to pay for that, if we have socialized care.
Let me give you a better real life example. I had a relative in the family who was told if he didn't quit drinking alcohol, he would die. He refused. He's dead today. But not before spending hundreds of thousands in treatment. In that case, he had private insurance, and paid for it himself. In a socialized system, we would have to pay the price for all such examples of irresponsibility.
I had a co-worker year ago, who was an open, admitted, alcoholic. She drink, by her own admission, until she passed out every other day. She ended up in the hospital routinely. The last time she ended up with her heart stopping, and had to have surgery. Again, she's telling me this, and everyone there said this is what happened.
The doctor told her she had to stop drinking, or she was going to die. When I left the company, she was still a drunk.
Under a socialized system, we pay for that, instead of her.
Then you have problems like they had in France. In France, doctor visits used to be free. But they found situations where people would go to the doctor.... simply because they were lonely.
Another problem was that because pills were free, they could take so many pills, that they would end up getting sick from the pills, and take more pills to rememdy the illness brought on by the pills they were already taking.
Of course in a free-market capitalist system, where they were paying for their own pills, this wouldn't happen. But is a socialized system, like that of France, the public pays for it, which is why they are in an economic crisis right now.
There are hundreds of examples where in a socialized system, people adapt to the incentives they are given, and break the system.
Venezuela is having that happen right now. Electricity is highly regulated and subsidized in Venezuela. This was done so the poorest people can have electricity. At the same time, Venezuela has extensive capital controls preventing monetary flight from the country, because of high taxes and tariffs and regulations.
Well they now have found that people are renting industrial areas (which has fewer power outages), and filling them with old computers to do bitcoin mining. They then take the bitcoins to get money outside Venezuela, to buy food, and property out of the country, so they can leave Venezuela. And the only reason this works, is because electricity is so cheap, that bitcoin mining is profitable.
No matter what system you put in place, people are going to find a way around that system.
The last couple or three generations of oldsters would have been up the creek without a paddle had there not been 'socialist' social security for them, to name one social program. How about medicare/medicaid for the poor and elderly? Our school system is somewhat socialist, since some families couldn't afford the cost of an education for their kids in a 'free market' economy. So far, the 'free market' being the solution is just theory. Look at turn of the century America that Jacob Riis wrote about and showed pictures about in his books about poverty in America. Government intervention finally changed those squalid conditions, not the capitalists who were making billions. A balance between the two systems is necessary or either one will get out of hand.