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Asked and answered. Prayer is powerful. You are thinking of how no one in this physical life is capable of hearing, let alone responding to so many prayers. Why do you believe the afterlife has the same limitations?and I will keep asking you, why do you think she is even CAPABLE of being with millions of small groups of Christians who meet every single day?
See ACTSIt is beseeching
I am not one who seeks Mary. I have sought out my grandmothers. It was amazing.2. From where do you get the idea that she is even listening to you, if she was capable?
You view them as a form of postal worker?3. From where do you get the idea that she is any more capable of taking your request to God's heart than you are yourself?
Again, an untruth of yours I choose not to pursue. Waste of time.He doesn't follow the scriptures; he follows the Pope.
LIAR! There are charts comparing directly the rcc catechism vs the bible- tons of differences!Every Catholic doctrine and dogma IS indeed in the Bible. I've read the entire thing. Somehow I doubt you have. You may have read the entire NEW T but I seriously doubt you have read the whole thing.
If you had, you would know about the Ark of the Covenant, a precursor to the Real Presence/Tabernacle in Catholic Churches.
Anyone who has not spent time in the Real Presence of Christ CANNOT at all claim to know Him..
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Every Catholic doctrine and dogma IS indeed in the Bible. I've read the entire thing. Somehow I doubt you have. You may have read the entire NEW T but I seriously doubt you have read the whole thing.
If you had, you would know about the Ark of the Covenant, a precursor to the Real Presence/Tabernacle in Catholic Churches.
Anyone who has not spent time in the Real Presence of Christ CANNOT at all claim to know Him..
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Biblical Truth The Light of God’s Word | Topic | New Catechism Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) |
The Bible only is the Standard for Truth “....the scripture cannot be broken.” John. 10:35 “Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth.” John. 17:17 “That ye might learn in us not to think...above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.” 1 Corinthians 4:6 “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” Proverbs. 30:6 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16-17 “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered...” Mark. 7:13 | The Basis of Truth | Truth is based on Scripture, Tradition, and the Pope “Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together and communicate one with the other.” Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) Para 80 And [Holy] Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. CCC Para 81 “As a result the [Roman Catholic] Church...does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.” CCC Para 82 “The Supreme Pontiff, in virtue of his office, possesses infallible teaching authority when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful...he proclaims with a definitive act that a doctrine of faith or morals is to be held as such.” CCC Para 891 |
Salvation is by Grace Alone Through Faith “Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.” Romans 3:24 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: It is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8, 9 “For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.” Rom 5:17 “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us...” Titus 3:5-6 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” Galatians 2:21 | Salvation by Grace Alone | For Salvation Grace becomes merely a help and is given through the sacraments of the Church “Grace is the help God gives us to respond to our vocation of becoming his adopted sons. It introduces us into the intimacy of the Trinitarian life.” CCC Para2021 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. ’Sacramental grace’ is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. CCC Para1129 “One who desires to obtain reconciliation with God and with the Church, must confess to a priest all the unconfessed grave sins he remembers after having carefully examined his conscience.” CCC Para 1493 |
Faith is the Gift of God and comes by the Word of God “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.” Acts 16:31 “For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake.” Philippians 1:29 “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Romans 10:17 | Faith is God-given and sustained | Faith comes through the Mother Church “It is the Church that believes first, and so bears, nourishes and sustains my faith.” CCC Para 168 “Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother:...” Para 169 “Believing” is an ecclesial act. The Church’s faith precedes, engenders, supports and nourishes our faith. The Church is the mother of all believers. ‘No one can have God as Father who does not have the Church as Mother’” CCC Para 181 |
Christ’s Sacrifice was His alone and once offered “...Jesus said, ‘It is finished:...’” John. 19:30 “But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God” Hebrews 10:12 “...when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” Hebrews. 1:3 | Christ’s Atonement Sufficient Finished Sacrifice | Christ’s Sacrifice continues, and is also of the Church In this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner.” CCC Para 1367 “The Eucharist is also the sacrifice of the [Roman Catholic] Church. The Church which is the Body of Christ participates in the offering of her Head. With him, she herself is offered whole and entire.” CCC Para 1368 |
God is the Only All Holy One and the Only Source of Holiness “Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.” Isaiah. 6:3 “Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? For Thou only art Holy: for all nations shall come and worship before Thee...” Revelation. 15: 4 “There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside Thee: neither is there any rock like our God.” 1 Samuel.2:2 “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.” Isaiah 42:8 | God, the Only All Holy One | Mary is also the All-Holy One and the Source of Holiness “By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the ‘Mother of Mercy,’ the All Holy One.” CCC Para 2677 “From the [Roman Catholic] Church he learns the example of holiness and recognizes its model and source in the all-holy Virgin Mary....” CCC Para 2030 “The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God ‘the All-Holy’ (Panagia), and celebrate her as ‘free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature’” CCC Para 493 |
In Salvation the Lord Jesus Christ Alone Mediates “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.” 1Timothy. 2:5 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name [Jesus Christ] under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved.” Acts 4:12 | One Mediator | In Salvation “Mary” Also Mediates “Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the [Roman Catholic] Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.” CCC Para 969 |
God Hates Idolatry “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything...Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.” Exodus. 20:4-5 “And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even Ten Commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake...Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure....” Dt. 4:13, 15-16 “Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen” 1 John. 5:21 | Idolatry | The Roman Catholic Church Rationalizes Idolatry “The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype, and whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it.” CCC Para 2132 “Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified...the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new ‘economy’ of images.” CCC Para 2131 |
This Pagan Practice is Forbidden in the Bible “There shall not be found among you any one... that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer, [one who calls up the dead].” Deut. 18:10-11 “And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits [divination; contacting the dead], and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I Am the Lord your God.” Leviticus. 20:6-7 | Communion with the Dead | This Practice is Recommended by Rome “Communion with the dead. In full consciousness of this communion of the whole Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, the Church in its pilgrim members, from the earliest days of the Christian religion, has honored with great respect the memory of the dead...Our prayer for them is capable not only of helping “them, bur also of making their intercession for us effective.” CCC Para 958 “The witnesses who have preceded us into the kingdom, especially those whom the Church recognizes as saints, share in the living tradition of prayer...Their intercession is their most exalted service...We can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world.” CCC Para 2683 |
Okay, so you pray with your ancestors. From where do you get the idea that they are capable of hearing requests from millions of supplicants simultaneously and praying with millions of people wanting different things at different times?No coyness at all. I am merely pointing out people pray together. We pray together without worshiping anyone but God. Catholics pray together, with both the living and those who have passed on.
Limits? Why are you seeking to go beyond that which Yeshua taught when He said we can go directly to God's heart when we pray in HIS name?If non-Catholic Christians limit praying to God to just oneself, I don't criticize it, and am frankly puzzled why non-Catholic Christians care how Catholics pray. Why place limits on Catholic prayer?
You say, "they pray with us, we don't pray to them". I have heard Catholics literally pray along the lines of, "St Peter, help us". That's not asking anyone to pray with them, that's asking for St Peter to take action.And, have you noticed, In order to have a leg to stand on, non-Catholic Christians must always describe our community prayer as something it is not--i.e. worship.
Could it be some non-Catholic Christians do this to reassure themselves they are not missing out on anything?
Prayer involves everything that Yeshua taught us, which is all those things. I mention that people are asking for things in prayer because they do. Yes, there is worship prayer, communion with God, etc. that does not have to involve making our request known to God. Don't forget that we are commanded to do that as well.Do you ever demand someone explain why golfers must kick a ball through the goal post if they want three extra points? One must understand Catholic prayer in order to have an intelligent discussion. You apparently think prayer is about asking for things.
Has a Catholic ever explained ACTS to you?
Adoration of God
Contrition
Thankfulness to God
Supplication
So you don't want anyone around during your adoration of God, or when you are sorry, when you expressing thanks, etc. Nothing wrong with that. So why declare it is wrong to do it within a group? I guess the people of your religion never pray for healing of an ailing member. Again, not a problem. Why do you consider it a problem when I do? How does it hurt you?
Okay, you are just one person, and you can pray with one group of people at a time unless you coordinate a time when multiple groups are in prayer, yet you obviously believe that dead ancestors are capable of hearing millions of people clamoring for their attention and praying with each group. Why do you believe that? I will keep asking until you give me a solid answer. Show me in Scripture where dead ancestors are capable of hearing all those applicants and are commanded to pay attention. Do not be coy.Duh. They are fellow members of the Body of Christ, the community of saints. This community can pray together.
That's one of the things that is done in prayer, yes, but only one. We worship, we listen, we bring our concerns to Him, we pray for each other, etc. I will ask again, from where do you get the idea that dead ancestors you've never met are capable of hearing from millions of people and praying with all their diverse needs at the same time? And yes, Catholics do pray for a lot more than just a request for a dead ancestor to pray with them.Is that how non-Catholics pray? They ask for things?
Because nowhere in Scripture does it state that those in God's presence are granted the superhuman ability to hear from millions of people simultaneously and help them all, simultaneously. Your belief is not Scriptural, and that's why I keep asking. What Scriptural basis supports your belief?Asked and answered. Prayer is powerful. You are thinking of how no one in this physical life is capable of hearing, let alone responding to so many prayers. Why do you believe the afterlife has the same limitations?
Isn't that how you're treating them when you pray, believing they will take your request to God? Yes, I have talked with a Catholic who prayed to Mary literally because she believed that Yeshua would listen to her more than He would listen to my friend.You view them as a form of postal worker?
Again, I want a Scriptural foundation for the belief that they are paying attention. And, while you may not seek Mary, Catholics world-wide seek Mary, and the saints. You know this.I am not one who seeks Mary. I have sought out my grandmothers. It was amazing.
Personal experience.Okay, so you pray with your ancestors. From where do you get the idea that they are capable of hearing requests from millions of supplicants simultaneously and praying with millions of people wanting different things at different times?
Be assured Catholics do this faithfully--and first and foremost. We also gather as a community, as the Body of Christ, and worship/pray together. (When two or three are gathered...) There is nothing to criticize. If someone else doesn't do it this way, so what? Do you truly feel this is a "My way or the highway" issue?Limits? Why are you seeking to go beyond that which Yeshua taught when He said we can go directly to God's heart when we pray in HIS name?
No kidding. Go to God along with us. Have you ever read some of Peter's biblical antics? He definitely needs a leader above him, but he is a great associate to all who also need that Leader. He gets our own "foot in mouth" moments!You say, "they pray with us, we don't pray to them". I have heard Catholics literally pray along the lines of, "St Peter, help us". That's not asking anyone to pray with them, that's asking for St Peter to take action.
Personal experience. Ever have anyone who has passed on ask for your prayers?My point, which you seem to want to avoid, is that there are millions of people world-wide praying all at the same time, and if you are to be believed, they are all asking their dead ancestors to pray with them. Again I will ask, from where do you get the idea that dead human ancestors are paying attention and capable of praying with this group over here, then that group over there, then the thousands of groups all clamoring for some dead ancestor or other to pray with them?
Asked and answered. At least twice. By the way, any further accusations of 'coy' in a post will be a post I ignore. I am having this discussion with you in good faith. If good faith is lacking in return, I'll move on.Okay, you are just one person, and you can pray with one group of people at a time unless you coordinate a time when multiple groups are in prayer, yet you obviously believe that dead ancestors are capable of hearing millions of people clamoring for their attention and praying with each group. Why do you believe that? I will keep asking until you give me a solid answer. Show me in Scripture where dead ancestors are capable of hearing all those applicants and are commanded to pay attention. Do not be coy.
Again. Personal experience.That's one of the things that is done in prayer, yes, but only one. We worship, we listen, we bring our concerns to Him, we pray for each other, etc. I will ask again, from where do you get the idea that dead ancestors you've never met are capable of hearing from millions of people and praying with all their diverse needs at the same time? And yes, Catholics do pray for a lot more than just a request for a dead ancestor to pray with them.
What else doesn't scripture mention?Because nowhere in Scripture does it state that those in God's presence are granted the superhuman ability to hear from millions of people simultaneously and help them all, simultaneously. Your belief is not Scriptural, and that's why I keep asking. What Scriptural basis supports your belief?
God listens to all.Isn't that how you're treating them when you pray, believing they will take your request to God? Yes, I have talked with a Catholic who prayed to Mary literally because she believed that Yeshua would listen to her more than He would listen to my friend.
If you can't find it in Scripture (I know you can't), just admit it's not in there and you get it from somewhere else.What else doesn't scripture mention?
Yet she believed that He would listen more to Mary than he would to her, and I believe that the vast majority of Catholics believe that as well, given their insistence on praying to her and the way they do it. Tell me, how do you know that the majority of Catholics believe they are only asking her to pray with them and are not actually asking her to do things for them?God listens to all.
