Some truly unfortunate raw stats on police violence

[JoeB131]

Man....liberals could see a video of a thug driving an Abrams tank at a cop and the cop shooting him....and they'd say it was unjustified. They'd say "Oh...he should've dove around the tank or just out ran it in his car. They need better training on how to defend against tanks without shooting people."

Of course they say that's an unrealistic scenario.....

Which liberals complained about this case?

 

[JoeB131]

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No the criminal who attacked him did. He has been cleared, stop making shit up.

Ifhe was "cleared", then they should give him his gun and badge back, and put him back out on the street, then?

Oh. Wait. They aren't going to do that. No other police department is going to ever hire him, either.

 

[Brain357]

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No the criminal who attacked him did. He has been cleared, stop making shit up.

Ifhe was "cleared", then they should give him his gun and badge back, and put him back out on the street, then?

Oh. Wait. They aren't going to do that. No other police department is going to ever hire him, either.

Yes his life ruined by a criminal. How stupid. Sad you defend the criminal.

 

[Asclepias]

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In a year....about 12-14 million arrests are made. Out of 330 million citizens.
Police state? Thats about 13 out of 330 people. Or....about 4% of people. Now...consider how many REPEAT offenders we have....it's probably more like 1% of people. Chances you have of being arrested for something....very small....and likely completely your own fault.

Now....about 400-500 of those arrests result in offender death. Tragic...yes. But....that's about 0.003%. Most of those are white. And most of those involve officers being shot at first.

TINY number (fact checked by Politifact Fatal police shootings occur in tiny percentage of arrests in U.S. Milwaukee s police chief says PolitiFact Wisconsin

Roughly 1,000,000 law enforcement officers in America....work a cumulative 300 BILLION hours per year of police work. And maybe 10-20 questionable shootings occur a year. Again....tragic....but an EXTREMELY tiny number.



So....it's unfortunate because of two reasons:
1) It's showing that our media is creating an image of a major crisis out of something where there is none
2) It's making a large chunk of our population look like complete morons for believing it

 

[bucs90]

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No the criminal who attacked him did. He has been cleared, stop making shit up.

Ifhe was "cleared", then they should give him his gun and badge back, and put him back out on the street, then?

Oh. Wait. They aren't going to do that. No other police department is going to ever hire him, either.

No....they cant. For one....he'll be a target. People will literally be looking to kill him.

So yes....his ability to earn a living is severely harmed.

Which is why his defamation lawsuit filed within the 3 year statutory time limit against....well...LOT of people and groups....is gonna be a slam dunk. He'll be a millionaire by 2018.

 

[JoeB131]

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No the criminal who attacked him did. He has been cleared, stop making shit up.

Ifhe was "cleared", then they should give him his gun and badge back, and put him back out on the street, then?

Oh. Wait. They aren't going to do that. No other police department is going to ever hire him, either.

Yes his life ruined by a criminal. How stupid. Sad you defend the criminal.

you avoided the point. If he was such a good cop, why aren't other police departments rushing out to hire him?

Right?

Could it be because he's a trigger happy racist who is going to cost them millions of dollars in damages...

 

[JoeB131]

No....they cant. For one....he'll be a target. People will literally be looking to kill him.

So yes....his ability to earn a living is severely harmed.

Which is why his defamation lawsuit filed within the 3 year statutory time limit against....well...LOT of people and groups....is gonna be a slam dunk. He'll be a millionaire by 2018.

NO, actually, he won't. You can't "defame" a public figure.

No police department will hire him because he's a liability.

 

[bucs90]

No....they cant. For one....he'll be a target. People will literally be looking to kill him.

So yes....his ability to earn a living is severely harmed.

Which is why his defamation lawsuit filed within the 3 year statutory time limit against....well...LOT of people and groups....is gonna be a slam dunk. He'll be a millionaire by 2018.

NO, actually, he won't. You can't "defame" a public figure.

No police department will hire him because he's a liability.

After he resigned....he was no longer a public figure. Every moron on TV after that....and network....who defamed him will owe a check. Bank on it. You'd be an awful lawyer.

 

[JoeB131]

After he resigned....he was no longer a public figure. Every moron on TV after that....and network....who defamed him will owe a check. Bank on it. You'd be an awful lawyer.

Can you actually cite a precedence where someone was able to sue commentators for observations made on a case?

It doesn't happen guy. It won't happen here.

 

[MikeK]

In a year....about 12-14 million arrests are made. Out of 330 million citizens.

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From the very top, and beginning with the presumptive belief that you know as well as I do the drug war, which dominates the contemporary police reality, is not only totally ineffective but is seriously counterproductive, how many of those 12 -14 million arrests, along with their enormous cost, would be eliminated if the problem of drug abuse were treated like the medical problem it is rather than a law-enforcement problem -- which is obviously is not?

Are you old enough to remember that the current issues with police did not exist prior to Ronald Reagan's escalation of Nixon's failed War On Drugs? This goddam drug war has been a vehicle for an incrementally increasing militarization of America's civilian police, which is most readily apparent in the outrageously expanding execution of "no-knock" door-busting 3AM raids -- many of which are mistakes, very few of which ever yield evidence of anything significant?
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids Cato Institute

How can anyone seek to justify this?

 

[squeeze berry]

"that is your OPINION" sb

A statistic is not an opinion.

you are correct

SAT and IQ scores are not opinions

 

[MikeK]

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Police state? Thats about 13 out of 330 people. Or....about 4% of people.

This is one of those situations in which perception is reality. The statistical number of per-annum arrests is meaningless in comparison with individual examples that make it to the six-o'clock news.

If you find a dead roach in your box of Cheerios, and you learn that someone else in another part of the Country found a dead mouse in a box of Cheerios, your thoughts are focused on dead roaches and dead mice, not on the many millions of pristine boxes of Cheerios sold and happily consumed every day. Your natural impulse is to give Bran Flakes a try.

 

[bucs90]

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Police state? Thats about 13 out of 330 people. Or....about 4% of people.

This is one of those situations in which perception is reality. The statistical number of per-annum arrests is meaningless in comparison with individual examples which make it to the six-o'clock news.

If you find a dead roach in your box of Cheerios, and you learn that someone else in another part of the Country found a dead mouse in a box of Cheerios, your thoughts are focused on dead roaches and dead mice, not on the many millions of pristine boxes of Cheerios sold and happily consumed every day. Your natural impulse is to give Bran Flakes a try.

That's actually a great point. Kinda like the Jaws effect. Tens of millions of people swim in the ocean. Millions of sharks do to. A few dozen shark bites....and all of a sudden....any given shark is seen as the worst animal ever created.

 

[FA_Q2]

In a year....about 12-14 million arrests are made. Out of 330 million citizens.

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From the very top, and beginning with the presumptive belief that you know as well as I do the drug war, which dominates the contemporary police reality, is not only totally ineffective but is seriously counterproductive, how many of those 12 -14 million arrests, along with their enormous cost, would be eliminated if the problem of drug abuse were treated like the medical problem it is rather than a law-enforcement problem -- which is obviously is not?

Are you old enough to remember that the current issues with police did not exist prior to Ronald Reagan's escalation of Nixon's failed War On Drugs? This goddam drug war has been a vehicle for an incrementally increasing militarization of America's civilian police, which is most readily apparent in the outrageously expanding execution of "no-knock" door-busting 3AM raids -- many of which are mistakes, very few of which ever yield evidence of anything significant?
Botched Paramilitary Police Raids Cato Institute

How can anyone seek to justify this?

That is nice. Perhaps you could, you know, start a thread on it considering that this has NOTHING to do with the thread you just tried to take over.

THIS thread is about the small number of shootings and the perception that the media/those trying to capitalize on a few incidents are trying to build around it - not the drug war.

 

[FA_Q2]

SJSU shooting: Officers cleared, family outraged, split views on body cam video


By Robert Salonga

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Posted: 05/22/2015 10:12:30 AM PDT102 Comments | Updated: 3 months ago

SAN JOSE -- They all looked at the same footage. One side saw a lawful police shooting of a man, holding a blade, closing in on an officer. The other saw an execution of a man, holding a tool, just trying to walk away.

In what is believed to be Santa Clara County's first instance where video from an officer-worn body camera figured prominently in the investigation of a police shooting, the District Attorney's Office on Friday cleared two San Jose State officers in the Feb. 21, 2014 death of 38-year-old Antonio Guzman Lopez just off the campus's southern edge.

SJSU shooting Officers cleared family outraged split views on body cam video - San Jose Mercury News

Again, there will ALWAYS be people that demand something is justified/not justified no matter how clear the evidence and there are not always going to be clear cut cases.

The point is that there is SOMETHING to investigate - this case is not built completely around a he said/she said story line and the legal system can deal with it.

 

[MikeK]

So to summarize......it's like a 200,000 mile highway system. And the liberals and media wants the whole thing shut down and repaved because of 10 crappy pot holes.

That's a rather biased and extreme summary. A more reasoned supposition would be the wish to promptly fix the potholes and effectively monitor the roads to find and correct potential trouble spots before they develop.

I don't believe anyone, including the most extreme Liberals, have ever expressed the wish to fire all cops and start over. The most extreme suggestion I've ever heard is that of focusing on apparent loose cannons and troublemakers with the intention of getting rid of them -- which would require Congressional action to override the power of police unions.

 

[MikeK]

That is nice. Perhaps you could, you know, start a thread on it considering that this has NOTHING to do with the thread you just tried to take over.

THIS thread is about the small number of shootings and the perception that the media/those trying to capitalize on a few incidents are trying to build around it - not the drug war.

The issue has far less to do with the shootings than with the increasingly anti-cop response to them and the reason for it. And while it might not be readily apparent to those with limited peripheral vision, in the final analysis the drug war has quite a lot to do with the overall problem.

Take a few steps back and look at the big picture. You might be surprised at what you see.

 

[MikeK]

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But sending 1,000,000 armed citizens out to enforce laws and confront our criminals....will inevitably result is some violent encounters. And some sadly result in death. It's inevitable. The question is....why it is portrayed to be some epidemic or crisis....when statistically it's a very uncommon and rare occurrence.

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Cops are not armed citizens. Cops are armed agents of the State! Very big difference.

The State sends out 1,000,000 armed agents to enforce laws, many of which should not exist. The enforcement of these redundant, counterproductive laws is the root cause of much of the rising anti-cop atmosphere.

 

[MikeK]

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Yes, most police are honest, hardworking and do a difficult job, and they deserve praise for it. Or at least a decent paycheck, which most of them are getting on our dime.

that still doesn't excuse the Freddy Grays, the Michael Browns and the Sandra Blands who are are mistreated at the hands of law enforcement.

My opinion of the Freddy Gray death is it was one more consequence of the counterproductive drug war. I am not aware that Gray had harmed anyone in any way, yet he was subjected to forceful arrest.

Gray was allegedly selling recreational drugs. If it can be said that arresting people for selling drugs did in any way reduce the use and availability of recreational drugs I would not be critical of the existing policy. But the fact is arresting drug dealers has absolutely no constructive effect whatsoever. It is a waste of time, money and, in too many examples, life.

In the Sandra Bland case, I believe the cop allowed his personal feelings to exacerbate an otherwise controllable and benign situation. If he had simply adhered to his original purpose, which was issuance of a traffic summons, and been on his way, there would be no issue. But the authoritarian aspect of his personality took control -- and look what happened.

As for Michael Brown, that low-life punk n!gger thug got exactly what he deserved. The only regrettable element in that story is the cop who killed him is out of a job.

 

[JoeB131]

As for Michael Brown, that low-life punk n!gger thug got exactly what he deserved. The only regrettable element in that story is the cop who killed him is out of a job.

Ah, you were doing well up to this point. Even taking the cops testimony at face value, (I don't), his use of force in firing the last six shots was excessive.