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Link to these British reports and studies? Why should we take your word for it?

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whether there was significant Arab immigration into Palestine after the beginning of Jewish settlement there in the late 19th century has become a matter of some controversy. According to Martin Gilbert, 50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews".[40]

The overall assessment of several British reports was that the increase in the Arab population was primarily due to natural increase.[41][42] These included the Hope Simpson report (1930),[43] the Passfield White Paper (1930)[44] the Peel Commission report (1937)[45] and the Survey of Palestine (1945).[46] The 1931 census of Palestine considered the question of illegal immigration since the previous census in 1922.[47] It estimated that unrecorded immigration during that period may have amounted to 9,000 Jews and 4,000 Arabs.[47] It also gave the fraction of persons living in Palestine in 1931 who were born outside Palestine: Muslims, 2%; Christians, 20%; Jews, 58%.[47]

In a 1974 study, Bachi proposed an average of 900 per year for the number of Muslims who were detected as illegal immigrants but not deported.[48] He noted the impossibility of estimating illegal immigration that was undetected, or the fraction of those persons who eventually departed.[48] He suggested, though qualifying it as a "mere guess", that the unexplained increase in the Muslim population between 1922 and 1931 was due to a combination of unrecorded immigration (using the 1931 census report estimate) and undercounting in the 1922 census.[48]

While noting the uncertainty of earlier data, Bachi also observed that the Muslim population growth in the 19th century appeared to be high by world standards:


"etween 1800 and 1914, the Muslim population had a yearly average increase of an order of magnitude of roughly 6-7 per thousand. This can be compared to the very crude estimate of about 4 per thousand for the "less developed countries" of the world (in Asia, Africa, and Latin America) between 1800 and 1910. It is possible that some part of the growth of the Muslim population was due to immigration. However, it seems likely that the dominant determinant of this modest growth was the beginning of some natural increase."[49]

McCarthy explains, "... evidence for Muslim immigration into Palestine is minimal. Because no Ottoman records of that immigration have yet been discovered, one is thrown back on demographic analysis to evaluate Muslim migration."[50][51] McCarthy argues that there is no significant Arab immigration into mandatory Palestine:


From analyses of rates of increase of the Muslim population of the three Palestinian sanjaks, one can say with certainty that Muslim immigration after the 1870s was small. Had there been a large group of Muslim immigrants their numbers would have caused an unusual increase in the population and this would have appeared in the calculated rate of increase from one registration list to another... Such an increase would have been easily noticed; it was not there.[51]


The argument that Arab immigration somehow made up a large part of the Palestinian Arab population is thus statistically untenable. The vast majority of the Palestinian Arabs resident in 1947 were the sons and daughters of Arabs who were living in Palestine before modern Jewish immigration began. There is no reason to believe that they were not the sons and daughters of Arabs who had been in Palestine for many centuries.[52]

McCarthy also concludes that there was no significant internal migration to Jewish areas attributable to better economic conditions:


Some areas of Palestine did experience greater population growth than others, but the explanation for this is simple. Radical economic change was occurring all over the Mediterranean Basin at the time. Improved transportation, greater mercantile activity, and greater industry had increased the chances for employment in cities, especially coastal cities... Differential population increase was occurring all over the Eastern Mediterranean, not just in Palestine... The increase in Muslim population had little or nothing to do with Jewish immigration. In fact the province that experienced the greatest Jewish population growth (by .035 annually), Jerusalem Sanjak, was the province with the lowest rate of growth of Muslim population (.009).[53]

Gad Gilbar has also concluded that the prosperity of Palestine in the 45–50 years before World War I was a result of the modernization and growth of the economy owing to its integration with the world economy and especially with the economies of Europe. Although the reasons for growth were exogenous to Palestine the bearers were not waves of Jewish immigration, foreign intervention nor Ottoman reforms but "primarily local Arab Muslims and Christians."[54]

Demographer Uziel Schmelz, in his analysis of Ottoman registration data for 1905 populations of Jerusalem and Hebron kazas, found that most Ottoman citizens living in these areas, comprising about one quarter of the population of Palestine, were living at the place where they were born. Specifically, of Muslims, 93.1% were born in their current locality of residence, 5.2% were born elsewhere in Palestine, and 1.6% were born outside Palestine. Of Christians, 93.4% were born in their current locality, 3.0% were born elsewhere in Palestine, and 3.6% were born outside Palestine. Of Jews (excluding the large fraction who were not Ottoman citizens), 59.0% were born in their current locality, 1.9% were born elsewhere in Palestine, and 39.0% were born outside Palestine.[55]

Yehoshua Porath believes that the notion of "large-scale immigration of Arabs from the neighboring countries" is a myth "proposed by Zionist writers". He writes:


As all the research by historian Fares Abdul Rahim and geographers of modern Palestine shows, the Arab population began to grow again in the middle of the nineteenth century. That growth resulted from a new factor: the demographic revolution. Until the 1850s there was no "natural" increase of the population, but this began to change when modern medical treatment was introduced and modern hospitals were established, both by the Ottoman authorities and by the foreign Christian missionaries. The number of births remained steady but infant mortality decreased. This was the main reason for Arab population growth. ... No one would doubt that some migrant workers came to Palestine from Syria and Trans-Jordan and remained there. But one has to add to this that there were migrations in the opposite direction as well. For example, a tradition developed in Hebron to go to study and work in Cairo, with the result that a permanent community of Hebronites had been living in Cairo since the fifteenth century. Trans-Jordan exported unskilled casual labor to Palestine; but before 1948 its civil service attracted a good many educated Palestinian Arabs who did not find work in Palestine itself. Demographically speaking, however, neither movement of population was significant in comparison to the decisive factor of natural increase.[56]
 
British reports and studies show that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 were born in Palestine and did NOT immigrate to Palestine during the years of the Palestine Mandate.
"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.
Doooh.
 
British reports and studies show that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 were born in Palestine and did NOT immigrate to Palestine during the years of the Palestine Mandate.
"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.
Doooh.

the facts are clear: the massive Muslim/Christian population of Palestine in 1948 was mostly due to natural increase and NOT immigration.

another Uber-Zionist myth flushed. :)
 
Indigenous Palestinians = anti-Semitic Hasbara (and we know how Georgie Boy hates them Jews and actually tries to fool us that he cares about the Arabs).

British reports and studies show
that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 were born in Palestine and did NOT immigrate to Palestine during the years of the Palestine Mandate.

Lying to the world and claiming that the Palestinians are descended all from immigrants who came to Palestine during the Mandate due to new jobs created by the Zionists, is equal to Holocaust-denial.

Joan Peters is a liar and a fraud and all who accept her bullshit are equally liars and frauds, and co-conspirators.

Palestine inhabited by a Mixed Population
Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

[........]From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "Ethnologically a Chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added." Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta.....

Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-17 century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about 20% of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.
Between 1750 & 1766 Jaffa had been rebuilt, and had some 500 houses. Turks, Arabs, Greeks and Armenians and a solitary Latin monk lived there, to attend to the wants of the thousands of pilgrims who had to be temporarily housed in the port before proceeding to Jerusalem.
"In some cases villages [in Palestine] are populated Wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire within the 19th century. There are villages of Bosnians, Druzes, Circassians and Egyptians," one historian has reported.

Another source, the Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1911 edition (before the "more chauvinist Arab history" began to prevail with the encouragement of the British), finds the "population" of Palestine composed of so "widely differing" a group of "inhabitants" -- whose "ethnological affinities" create "early in the 20th century a list of no less than 50 languages" (see below) --that "it is therefore No easy task to write concisely ... on the Ethnology of Palestine." In addition to the "Assyrian, Persian and Roman" elements of ancient times, "the short-lived Egyptian government introduced into the population an element from that country which still persists in the villages."

. . There are very Large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece and Italy . . . Turkoman settlements ... a number of Persians and a fairly large Afghan colony . . Motawila ... long settled immigrants from Persia ... tribes of Kurds... German "Templar" colonies ... a Bosnian colony ... and the Circassian settlements placed in certain centres ... by the Turkish government in order to keep a restraint on the Bedouin ... a large Algerian element in the population ... still maintain(s) [while] the Sudanese have been reduced in numbers since the beginning of the 20th century.
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The Disparate peoples recently assumed and purported to be "settled Arab indigenes, for a thousand years" were in fact a "Heterogeneous" community With No "Palestinian" identity, and according to an official British historical analysis in 1920, No Arab identity either:
"The people west of the Jordan are Not Arabs, but Only Arabic-speaking. The bulk of the population are fellahin.... In the Gaza district they are mostly of Egyptian origin; elsewhere they are of the most Mixed race."

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British reports and studies show that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 were born in Palestine and did NOT immigrate to Palestine during the years of the Palestine Mandate.
"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.
Doooh.
the facts are clear: the massive Muslim/Christian population of Palestine in 1948 was mostly due to natural increase and NOT immigration. another Uber-Zionist myth flushed.
Yeah, right.
 
Funny our honorable georgephillip, beside injecting his own drivel in the works, goes along with the US/Middle East Project drivel, which, for example, called for deployment of the US military there as part of the "peace plan".
Maybe the USS Liberty survivors will be first to volunteer, Drivel?
We're most sure gazastanians will provide them with some tubboat.
Personally, I prefer UNSC Peacekeepers in the Jordan Valley for the next generation.
They'll skedaddle like they did in Syria. Nah, the US/Middle East Project called for the US military, at least for 15 years. Airbase facilities rent, fuel, quarters, hotels, restaurants, etc., nice income, isn't it? Who needs tourists!?
Can you say "no fly zone" in Hebrew AND Arabic?
No flies, of course.
No flies?
Are you leaving, Drivel?
UNSC Peacekeepers, i.e., Russia, China, and US troops although the Americans and Chinese might outsource half of their contingents to their respective Korean proxies. Ready for the Jerusalem Cage Fights?
 
Palestine inhabited by a Mixed Population
Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

[........]From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "Ethnologically a Chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added." Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta.....

Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-17 century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about 20% of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.
Between 1750 & 1766 Jaffa had been rebuilt, and had some 500 houses. Turks, Arabs, Greeks and Armenians and a solitary Latin monk lived there, to attend to the wants of the thousands of pilgrims who had to be temporarily housed in the port before proceeding to Jerusalem.
"In some cases villages [in Palestine] are populated Wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire within the 19th century. There are villages of Bosnians, Druzes, Circassians and Egyptians," one historian has reported.

Another source, the Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1911 edition (before the "more chauvinist Arab history" began to prevail with the encouragement of the British), finds the "population" of Palestine composed of so "widely differing" a group of "inhabitants" -- whose "ethnological affinities" create "early in the 20th century a list of no less than 50 languages" (see below) --that "it is therefore No easy task to write concisely ... on the Ethnology of Palestine." In addition to the "Assyrian, Persian and Roman" elements of ancient times, "the short-lived Egyptian government introduced into the population an element from that country which still persists in the villages."

. . There are very Large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece and Italy . . . Turkoman settlements ... a number of Persians and a fairly large Afghan colony . . Motawila ... long settled immigrants from Persia ... tribes of Kurds... German "Templar" colonies ... a Bosnian colony ... and the Circassian settlements placed in certain centres ... by the Turkish government in order to keep a restraint on the Bedouin ... a large Algerian element in the population ... still maintain(s) [while] the Sudanese have been reduced in numbers since the beginning of the 20th century.
...
The Disparate peoples recently assumed and purported to be "settled Arab indigenes, for a thousand years" were in fact a "Heterogeneous" community With No "Palestinian" identity, and according to an official British historical analysis in 1920, No Arab identity either:
"The people west of the Jordan are Not Arabs, but Only Arabic-speaking. The bulk of the population are fellahin.... In the Gaza district they are mostly of Egyptian origin; elsewhere they are of the most Mixed race."

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Quoting the notorious liar and fraud Joan Peters, is doing you no favors, buddy.
 
Palestine inhabited by a Mixed Population
Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

[........]From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "Ethnologically a Chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added." Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta.....

Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-17 century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about 20% of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.
Between 1750 & 1766 Jaffa had been rebuilt, and had some 500 houses. Turks, Arabs, Greeks and Armenians and a solitary Latin monk lived there, to attend to the wants of the thousands of pilgrims who had to be temporarily housed in the port before proceeding to Jerusalem.
"In some cases villages [in Palestine] are populated Wholly by settlers from other portions of the Turkish Empire within the 19th century. There are villages of Bosnians, Druzes, Circassians and Egyptians," one historian has reported.

Another source, the Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1911 edition (before the "more chauvinist Arab history" began to prevail with the encouragement of the British), finds the "population" of Palestine composed of so "widely differing" a group of "inhabitants" -- whose "ethnological affinities" create "early in the 20th century a list of no less than 50 languages" (see below) --that "it is therefore No easy task to write concisely ... on the Ethnology of Palestine." In addition to the "Assyrian, Persian and Roman" elements of ancient times, "the short-lived Egyptian government introduced into the population an element from that country which still persists in the villages."

. . There are very Large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece and Italy . . . Turkoman settlements ... a number of Persians and a fairly large Afghan colony . . Motawila ... long settled immigrants from Persia ... tribes of Kurds... German "Templar" colonies ... a Bosnian colony ... and the Circassian settlements placed in certain centres ... by the Turkish government in order to keep a restraint on the Bedouin ... a large Algerian element in the population ... still maintain(s) [while] the Sudanese have been reduced in numbers since the beginning of the 20th century.
...
The Disparate peoples recently assumed and purported to be "settled Arab indigenes, for a thousand years" were in fact a "Heterogeneous" community With No "Palestinian" identity, and according to an official British historical analysis in 1920, No Arab identity either:
"The people west of the Jordan are Not Arabs, but Only Arabic-speaking. The bulk of the population are fellahin.... In the Gaza district they are mostly of Egyptian origin; elsewhere they are of the most Mixed race."

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Quoting the notorious liar and fraud Joan Peters, is doing you no favors, buddy.

It's up to YOU to refute anything posted or SWALLOW it.
She's been 'bashed' not made a "liar" or 'discredited' except by anti-Israelers.
In fact, her work has born the test of time and been used So heavily by Dershowitz in his "A Case for Israel', He was accused of Plagiarizing it.

That passage is Heavily footnoted, the devastating quote coming From BRITISH Report/analysis.


8. In a handbook, prepared under the direction of the historical section of the Foreign Office, no. 60, entitled "Syria and Palestine" (London, 1920), p. 56.​

Which means we'll only get more EMPTY deflection/Ad Hom from you.

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It's up to YOU to refute anything posted or SWALLOW it.
That passage is Heavily footnoted, the devastating quote coming From BRITISH Report/analysis.

Which means we'll only get more EMPTY deflection from you.

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I have posted an article refuting all of Liar/Fraud Joan Peter's bullshit claims.

British reports show that the Muslim/Christian population of Palestine in the 1940s was mostly made up of people BORN in Palestine.

The notion that most Christians/Muslims in Palestine in the 1940s were immigrants, is a lie.

Joan Peters is a notorious fraud and liar.
 
It's up to YOU to refute anything posted or SWALLOW it.
That passage is Heavily footnoted, the devastating quote coming From BRITISH Report/analysis.

Which means we'll only get more EMPTY deflection from you.

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I have posted an article refuting all of Liar/Fraud Joan Peter's bullshit claims.

British reports show that the Muslim/Christian population of Palestine in the 1940s was mostly made up of people BORN in Palestine.

The notion that most Christians/Muslims in Palestine in the 1940s were immigrants, is a lie.

Joan Peters is a notorious fraud and liar.
DUH.. Peters "Mixed Race'/population claims are from the 17th C to app 1920, NOT the 1940's. (which would be at least/mostly 2nd Gen to 1940s)
And I did cite with Footnote a BRITISH analysis: UNTOUCHED.

Because YOU posted an article critical of Peters previously means what exactly? LOL.
Does it refute ANYTHING I posted?
No.

and again: She's been 'bashed' not made a "liar" or 'discredited' except by anti-Israelers.
In fact, her work has born the test of time and was used So heavily by Dershowitz in his "A Case for Israel', He was accused of Plagiarizing it. (NOT being inaccurate)

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It's up to YOU to refute anything posted or SWALLOW it.
That passage is Heavily footnoted, the devastating quote coming From BRITISH Report/analysis.

Which means we'll only get more EMPTY deflection from you.

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I have posted an article refuting all of Liar/Fraud Joan Peter's bullshit claims.

British reports show that the Muslim/Christian population of Palestine in the 1940s was mostly made up of people BORN in Palestine.

The notion that most Christians/Muslims in Palestine in the 1940s were immigrants, is a lie.

Joan Peters is a notorious fraud and liar.
DUH.. Peters "Mixed Race'/population claims are from the 17th C to app 1920, NOT the 1940's.
You see any claim for the 1940s?

Duh No you don't

Because YOU posted an article critical of Peters previously means what exactly? LOL.
Does it refute ANYTHING I posted?
No.


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sorry dude, but the Palestinians in 1948 were not all immigrants.

Most were born in Palestine. Many are children and grandchildren of people born in Palestine.

Joan Peters is a liar and a fraud and YOU defend her.
 
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Yet Arthur Balfour and Lord Rothschild were sure Palestine existed in November 1922
"The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.
"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But WHO was 'Palestine'?
Arabs are referred to AS Arabs, tenant farmers, peasants: Not Palestinians.

The agreement BETWEEN the Arab state and Palestine/The JEWISH one.

The Faisal-Weizman agreement 1919

The Weizmann-Faisal Agreement

His Royal Highness the Emir FAISAL, representing and acting on behalf of the Arab Kingdom of HEJAZ, AND Dr. Chaim Weizmann, representing and acting on behalf of the Zionist Organization, mindful of the racial kinship and ancient bonds existing between the Arabs and the Jewish people, and realising that the surest means of working out the consummation of their national aspirations, is through the closest possible collaboration in the development of the Arab State and Palestine, and being desirous further of confirming the good understanding which exists between them, have agreed upon the following articles:

Article I

The Arab State and Palestine
in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab and Jewish duly accredited agents shall be established and maintained in their respective territories.

Article II

Immediately following the completion of deliberations of the Peace Conference, the definite boundaries BETWEEN the Arab State and Palestine shall be determined by a commission to be agreed upon by the parties hereto.

Article III

In the establishment of the Constitution and Administration of Palestine all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantees for carrying into effect the British Government’s Declaration of the 2nd of November, 1917 (Balfour Declaration-SEH).

Article IV

All necessary measures will be taken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale,
and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land through closer settlement and intensive cultivation of the soil. In taking such measures the Arab peasants and tenant farmers shall be protected in their rights, and shall be assisted in forwarding their economic development.
[............]​

That was the same Faisal who got the Arabs 'Jordan' and 'Iraq' to be ruled by Saudi/Sunni/Hashemite princes.
Arabs did Not 'vote' on anything at the time, nor until recently.

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How do you justify rich imperialists in London deciding the fates of Jews and Arabs in Palestine?

"Article IX

"Any matters of dispute which may arise between the contracting parties shall be referred to the British Government for arbitration.

"Given under our hand at LONDON, ENGLAND, the Third DAY OF January, one thousand Nine Hundred and Nineteen."

The Weizmann-Faisal Agreement

It looks like Israel as a Jewish state would never have lurched into existence without its appeal to western imperial interests.

"The iron wall of English bayonets"

"The First World War and the Russian Revolution caused the collapse of Herzl's three beloved patrons, the Ottoman Empire, the German Kaiser, and Russian Tsarism.

"Though the Zionists played all sides covertly during the war, the more farsighted leaders anticipated that Britain would emerge as the dominant imperialist power from the war.

"Weizmann stated as early as 1914, 'We can reasonably say that should Palestine fall within the British sphere of influence, and should Britain encourage Jewish settlement there, as a British dependency, we could have in twenty to thirty years a million Jews Out there, perhaps more; they would develop the country, bring back civilization to it and form a very effective guard for the Suez Canal.'"

When the war ended, Palestine became a British colony and the Zionists ..." Yada, yada, yada...

The Hidden Roots of Zionism
 
I have posted an article refuting all of Liar/Fraud Joan Peter's bullshit claims.

British reports show that the Muslim/Christian population of Palestine in the 1940s was mostly made up of people BORN in Palestine.

The notion that most Christians/Muslims in Palestine in the 1940s were immigrants, is a lie.

Joan Peters is a notorious fraud and liar.
DUH.. Peters "Mixed Race'/population claims are from the 17th C to app 1920, NOT the 1940's.
You see any claim for the 1940s?

Duh No you don't

Because YOU posted an article critical of Peters previously means what exactly? LOL.
Does it refute ANYTHING I posted?
No.


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sorry dude, but the Palestinians in 1948 were not all immigrants.

Most were born in Palestine. Many are children and grandchildren of people born in Palestine.

Joan Peters is a liar and a fraud and YOU defend her.
You have just repeated your EMPTY CLAIM. and posted NO BACKUP.

YOU are a JOKE.

Peters "Mixed Race'/population claims are from the 17th C to app 1920, NOT the 1940's. (which would be at least/mostly 2nd+ Gen to 1940s)

And I did cite with Footnote a BRITISH analysis: UNTOUCHED.


The Disparate peoples recently assumed and purported to be "settled Arab indigenes, for a thousand years" were in fact a "Heterogeneous" community With No "Palestinian" identity, and according to an official British historical analysis in 1920, No Arab identity either:
"The people west of the Jordan are Not Arabs, but Only Arabic-speaking. The bulk of the population are fellahin.... In the Gaza district they are mostly of Egyptian origin; elsewhere they are of the most Mixed race."

Because YOU posted an article critical of Peters previously means what exactly?
Does it refute ANYTHING I posted?
No.

and again: She's been 'bashed' NOT made a "liar" or 'discredited' except by anti-Israelers.

In fact, her work has born the test of time and was used So heavily by Dershowitz in his "A Case for Israel', He was accused of Plagiarizing it. (NOT being inaccurate)

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EDIT: The immediately below, Again, does NOT refute Me or Peters, Just Claims that by the 1940s 'palestinians' (whoever that was/their longer term ancestry) were Mostly born there.
And of course there IS the issue of Credibility/Partisanship of that claim by the same - Infamous Armenian Genocide Denier Justin McCarthy - who the Wiki link cites. (Paid by the Turkish govt)
Ooops:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_McCarthy_(American_historian)#Criticism
Who's "discredited"?
 
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Indigenous Palestinians = anti-Semitic Hasbara (and we know how Georgie Boy hates them Jews and actually tries to fool us that he cares about the Arabs).

British reports and studies show that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 were born in Palestine and did NOT immigrate to Palestine during the years of the Palestine Mandate.

Lying to the world and claiming that the Palestinians are descended all from immigrants who came to Palestine during the Mandate due to new jobs created by the Zionists, is equal to Holocaust-denial.

Joan Peters is a liar and a fraud and all who accept her bullshit are equally liars and frauds, and co-conspirators.

Link to these British reports and studies? Why should we take your word for it?
Do we all agree that today there are nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea? If so, why is it that all Jews have a vote determining who will write the laws (civil and military) they live under while a majority of Arabs have no such franchise?
 
British reports and studies show that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in 1948 were born in Palestine and did NOT immigrate to Palestine during the years of the Palestine Mandate.

Lying to the world and claiming that the Palestinians are descended all from immigrants who came to Palestine during the Mandate due to new jobs created by the Zionists, is equal to Holocaust-denial.

Joan Peters is a liar and a fraud and all who accept her bullshit are equally liars and frauds, and co-conspirators.

Link to these British reports and studies? Why should we take your word for it?
Do we all agree that today there are nearly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs living between the River and the sea? If so, why is it that all Jews have a vote determining who will write the laws (civil and military) they live under while a majority of Arabs have no such franchise?

why?

its called Apartheid.
 
Except of course that no such 'apartheid' exists within Israel as you keep falsely claiming.. And for it not to exist within the Disputed Territories, Israel would have to annex those.....which you also wouldn't like.

The entirety of your noise rests upon the basis of your desire that a State of Israel not exist for the Jewish People. Since one obviously does exist, your noises have no real relevance.
 
Except of course that no such 'apartheid' exists within Israel as you keep falsely claiming.. And for it not to exist within the Disputed Territories, Israel would have to annex those.....which you also wouldn't like.

The entirety of your noise rests upon the basis of your desire that a State of Israel not exist for the Jewish People. Since one obviously does exist, your noises have no real relevance.

Millions of Muslims between the River and the Sea, under Israeli control, have no voting rights and face daily discrimination.

That is Apartheid. Deal with it, asshole.
 
[iNo flies? Are you leaving, Drivel? UNSC Peacekeepers, i.e., Russia, China, and US troops although the Americans and Chinese might outsource half of their contingents to their respective Korean proxies. Ready for the Jerusalem Cage Fights?[/i]
Whatta drivel!
 
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