Steven Spielberg's movie about Lincoln is pure bullshit !!!!!!!

[gipper]

So many Americans duped by the propaganda mills aka government schools. Sad. Very sad.

Most Americans believe that Abraham Lincoln "saved" the voluntary union of states that was created by the founding fathers, based on the principle that government’s just powers are derived from the consent of the governed by micromanaging the waging of total war on Americans who no longer consented to being governed by Washington, D.C., killing hundreds of thousands of them.


Most Americans also think of Lincoln as a racial saint even though he advocated the deportation of all black people all of his adult life, to his dying day. He also opposed inter-racial marriage or allowing black people to vote or serve on juries or even to reside in his home state of Illinois. They think of him as a "great statesman" even though he manipulated his country into the bloodiest war in American history where as many as 850,000 Americans died according to the latest research. This is the kind of thing "great statesmen" do, we are all told in the government schools.

So, your premise is that in the 1860 election Lincoldn should have advocated inter-racial marriage or else be a racist?

We had states in 1960 that still banned inter-racial marriage

Lincoln was primarily a politician. He knew he had to go one step at a time. Advocating an end to slavery was an important first step. Advocating that blacks should marry your sister was a bit of an overreach.....Don't ya think?

From my post you harp on inter-racial marriage. Come on now...open up your mind.

And Lincoln NEVER intended to end slavery. He NEVER worked to end slavery. He NEVER cared one wit about the slaves. He was a balded faced racist EVEN Considering his time. He planned to deport all of them in his second term, but thankfully, John Wilkes Booth put an end to the tyrant.

Lincoln was the first statist. He destroyed our constitutional republic and later presidents expanded on his tyranny to give us the police state Kleptocracy we have today. And yet many Americans think Dishonest Abe was a great president. The brainwashing of Americans is amazing.

 

[paperview]

So many Americans duped by the propaganda mills aka government schools. Sad. Very sad.

Most Americans believe that Abraham Lincoln "saved" the voluntary union of states that was created by the founding fathers, based on the principle that government’s just powers are derived from the consent of the governed by micromanaging the waging of total war on Americans who no longer consented to being governed by Washington, D.C., killing hundreds of thousands of them.


Most Americans also think of Lincoln as a racial saint even though he advocated the deportation of all black people all of his adult life, to his dying day. He also opposed inter-racial marriage or allowing black people to vote or serve on juries or even to reside in his home state of Illinois. They think of him as a "great statesman" even though he manipulated his country into the bloodiest war in American history where as many as 850,000 Americans died according to the latest research. This is the kind of thing "great statesmen" do, we are all told in the government schools.

So, your premise is that in the 1860 election Lincoldn should have advocated inter-racial marriage or else be a racist?

We had states in 1960 that still banned inter-racial marriage

Lincoln was primarily a politician. He knew he had to go one step at a time. Advocating an end to slavery was an important first step. Advocating that blacks should marry your sister was a bit of an overreach.....Don't ya think?

It's amusing to see some of the pro and/or neo-confederate crowd wail away at how "Lincoln was a racist" -- and he was, by our standards today. By standards then, just about everyone was. Lincoln, though, like many in the north, thought members of the black race deserved to be afforded the same human rights as the white race, that 'all men are created equal' and that slavery is a great moral wrong --

and at the same time the "Lincoln was a racist" puppets glorify the confederates who were so racist they owned these human beings as property, and fought an atrociously bloody war to defend it.

 

[jillian]

So many Americans duped by the propaganda mills aka government schools. Sad. Very sad.

Most Americans believe that Abraham Lincoln "saved" the voluntary union of states that was created by the founding fathers, based on the principle that government’s just powers are derived from the consent of the governed by micromanaging the waging of total war on Americans who no longer consented to being governed by Washington, D.C., killing hundreds of thousands of them.


Most Americans also think of Lincoln as a racial saint even though he advocated the deportation of all black people all of his adult life, to his dying day. He also opposed inter-racial marriage or allowing black people to vote or serve on juries or even to reside in his home state of Illinois. They think of him as a "great statesman" even though he manipulated his country into the bloodiest war in American history where as many as 850,000 Americans died according to the latest research. This is the kind of thing "great statesmen" do, we are all told in the government schools.

So, your premise is that in the 1860 election Lincoldn should have advocated inter-racial marriage or else be a racist?

We had states in 1960 that still banned inter-racial marriage

Lincoln was primarily a politician. He knew he had to go one step at a time. Advocating an end to slavery was an important first step. Advocating that blacks should marry your sister was a bit of an overreach.....Don't ya think?

It's amusing to see some of the pro and/or neo-confederate crowd wail away at how "Lincoln was a racist" -- and he was, by our standards today. By standards then, just about everyone was. Lincoln, though, like many in the north, thought members of the black race deserved to be afforded the same human rights as the white race, that 'all men are created equal' and that slavery is a great moral wrong --

and at the same time the "Lincoln was a racist" puppets glorify the confederates who were so racist they owned these human beings as property, and fought an atrociously bloody war to defend it.

i think they're sad and pathetic. and the fact that there are people who think like them in 2013 is horrifying.

 

[rightwinger]

So many Americans duped by the propaganda mills aka government schools. Sad. Very sad.

Most Americans believe that Abraham Lincoln "saved" the voluntary union of states that was created by the founding fathers, based on the principle that government’s just powers are derived from the consent of the governed by micromanaging the waging of total war on Americans who no longer consented to being governed by Washington, D.C., killing hundreds of thousands of them.


Most Americans also think of Lincoln as a racial saint even though he advocated the deportation of all black people all of his adult life, to his dying day. He also opposed inter-racial marriage or allowing black people to vote or serve on juries or even to reside in his home state of Illinois. They think of him as a "great statesman" even though he manipulated his country into the bloodiest war in American history where as many as 850,000 Americans died according to the latest research. This is the kind of thing "great statesmen" do, we are all told in the government schools.

So, your premise is that in the 1860 election Lincoldn should have advocated inter-racial marriage or else be a racist?

We had states in 1960 that still banned inter-racial marriage

Lincoln was primarily a politician. He knew he had to go one step at a time. Advocating an end to slavery was an important first step. Advocating that blacks should marry your sister was a bit of an overreach.....Don't ya think?

From my post you harp on inter-racial marriage. Come on now...open up your mind.

And Lincoln NEVER intended to end slavery. He NEVER worked to end slavery. He NEVER cared one wit about the slaves. He was a balded faced racist EVEN Considering his time. He planned to deport all of them in his second term, but thankfully, John Wilkes Booth put an end to the tyrant.

Lincoln was the first statist. He destroyed our constitutional republic and later presidents expanded on his tyranny to give us the police state Kleptocracy we have today. And yet many Americans think Dishonest Abe was a great president. The brainwashing of Americans is amazing.

"I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VIII, "Speech to One Hundred Fortieth Indiana Regiment" (March 17, 1865), p. 361.

 

[paperview]

So many Americans duped by the propaganda mills aka government schools. Sad. Very sad.

Most Americans believe that Abraham Lincoln "saved" the voluntary union of states that was created by the founding fathers, based on the principle that government’s just powers are derived from the consent of the governed by micromanaging the waging of total war on Americans who no longer consented to being governed by Washington, D.C., killing hundreds of thousands of them.

Most Americans also think of Lincoln as a racial saint even though he advocated the deportation of all black people all of his adult life, to his dying day. He also opposed inter-racial marriage or allowing black people to vote or serve on juries or even to reside in his home state of Illinois. They think of him as a "great statesman" even though he manipulated his country into the bloodiest war in American history where as many as 850,000 Americans died according to the latest research. This is the kind of thing "great statesmen" do, we are all told in the government schools.

So, your premise is that in the 1860 election Lincoldn should have advocated inter-racial marriage or else be a racist?

We had states in 1960 that still banned inter-racial marriage

Lincoln was primarily a politician. He knew he had to go one step at a time. Advocating an end to slavery was an important first step. Advocating that blacks should marry your sister was a bit of an overreach.....Don't ya think?

From my post you harp on inter-racial marriage. Come on now...open up your mind.

And Lincoln NEVER intended to end slavery. He NEVER worked to end slavery. He NEVER cared one wit about the slaves. He was a balded faced racist EVEN Considering his time. He planned to deport all of them in his second term, but thankfully, John Wilkes Booth put an end to the tyrant.

....

Bullshit. He didn't wish to expand it, and he was a pragmatic politician. Anyone who has read at any length - or even simply read some of his speeches and debates (ever read the Lincoln/Douglass debates?) knows he most certainly DID care about slavery. The Republican party was born of the slavery divide.

Abraham Lincoln Quotes About Slavery (Including Sources)

No, he never planned to deport "all of them" -- his plan, like many of the abolitionists who started it involved VOLUNTARY deportation. You and some others here keep presenting the idea of colonization, very popular with many statesmen and many in the populace at the time, as some INVOLUNTARY pack em up and ship 'em off scheme? It wasn't. At all.

Why do you keep promoting lies?

 

[jillian]

So, your premise is that in the 1860 election Lincoldn should have advocated inter-racial marriage or else be a racist?

We had states in 1960 that still banned inter-racial marriage

Lincoln was primarily a politician. He knew he had to go one step at a time. Advocating an end to slavery was an important first step. Advocating that blacks should marry your sister was a bit of an overreach.....Don't ya think?

From my post you harp on inter-racial marriage. Come on now...open up your mind.

And Lincoln NEVER intended to end slavery. He NEVER worked to end slavery. He NEVER cared one wit about the slaves. He was a balded faced racist EVEN Considering his time. He planned to deport all of them in his second term, but thankfully, John Wilkes Booth put an end to the tyrant.

....

Bullshit. He didn't wish to expand it, and he was a pragmatic politician. Anyone who has read at any length - or even simply read some of his speeches and debates (ever read the Lincoln/Douglass debates?) knows he most certainly DID care about slavery. The Republican party was born of the slavery divide.

Abraham Lincoln Quotes About Slavery (Including Sources)

No, he never planned to deport "all of them" -- his plan, like many of the abolitionists who started it involved VOLUNTARY deportation. You and some others here keep presenting the idea of colonization, very popular with many statesmen and many in the populace at the time, as some INVOLUNTARY pack em up and ship 'em off scheme? It wasn't. At all.

Why do you keep promoting lies?

because he's a racist?

because he's stupid?

because he's ignorant?

all of the above?

 

[paperview]

So, your premise is that in the 1860 election Lincoldn should have advocated inter-racial marriage or else be a racist?

We had states in 1960 that still banned inter-racial marriage

Lincoln was primarily a politician. He knew he had to go one step at a time. Advocating an end to slavery was an important first step. Advocating that blacks should marry your sister was a bit of an overreach.....Don't ya think?

From my post you harp on inter-racial marriage. Come on now...open up your mind.

And Lincoln NEVER intended to end slavery. He NEVER worked to end slavery. He NEVER cared one wit about the slaves. He was a balded faced racist EVEN Considering his time. He planned to deport all of them in his second term, but thankfully, John Wilkes Booth put an end to the tyrant.

Lincoln was the first statist. He destroyed our constitutional republic and later presidents expanded on his tyranny to give us the police state Kleptocracy we have today. And yet many Americans think Dishonest Abe was a great president. The brainwashing of Americans is amazing.

"I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VIII, "Speech to One Hundred Fortieth Indiana Regiment" (March 17, 1865), p. 361.

"I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, "Letter to Albert G. Hodges" (April 4, 1864), p. 281.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I don't think you can "save" a voluntary union by making it mandatory. Of course, I also don't think you can save the village by destroying it.

Yet here you are, 150 years later, residing in the most powerful country in the world, the UNITED States, spouting your nonsense.

Which has exactly two things to do with the topic of my post (voluntary unions vs. mandatory): jack and shit.

And that's probably why I wasn't conversing with you.

 

[paperview]

I don't think you can "save" a voluntary union by making it mandatory. Of course, I also don't think you can save the village by destroying it.

Yet here you are, 150 years later, residing in the most powerful country in the world, the UNITED States, spouting your nonsense.

Which has exactly two things to do with the topic of my post (voluntary unions vs. mandatory): jack and shit.

And that's probably why I wasn't conversing with you.

If you want a private conversation, take it to a PM.

I replied because this is a message board.

Regards your "voluntary" union - Two words: Perpetual Union.

The states have a way to "volunteer" out - the same way they came in: With the consent of the other States, and Congress.

 

[HUGGY]

Another fine Lincoln documentary....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOtf_2rFgd4]Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Killer, Trailer 2 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[gipper]

Anyone who believes Lincoln's actions were appropriate, obviously does not believe in the Constitution and likely is a statist, progressive, neo-con, or worse. Because Lincoln clearly was not only a tyrant, since he breached the Constitution repeatedly, but a traitor. He purposely warred on fellow Americans solely for statist reasons...to centralize power to the central government....something the Founders would find completely unacceptable and directly in contradiction to the true meaning of the Declaration and the Constitution. As such, his actions were traitorous and he should have been impeached and removed from office before he managed to murder 800,000 Americans.

It is not surprising that monstrous dictators throughout history managed to gain power, when so many people are ignorant or unable to accept the TRUTH.

 

[paperview]

Hate on dude.

He will forever be remembered as one of America's greatest Presidents.

He belongs to the ages.

 

[paperview]

Now, and forever more...

 

[rightwinger]

Anyone who believes Lincoln's actions were appropriate, obviously does not believe in the Constitution and likely is a statist, progressive, neo-con, or worse. Because Lincoln clearly was not only a tyrant, since he breached the Constitution repeatedly, but a traitor. He purposely warred on fellow Americans solely for statist reasons...to centralize power to the central government....something the Founders would find completely unacceptable and directly in contradiction to the true meaning of the Declaration and the Constitution. As such, his actions were traitorous and he should have been impeached and removed from office before he managed to murder 800,000 Americans.

It is not surprising that monstrous dictators throughout history managed to gain power, when so many people are ignorant or unable to accept the TRUTH.

Beyond a doubt our greatest President

Carry on

 

[gipper]

How about we meet at the Lincoln Memorial and you guys can watch as I urinate on the statute of the tyrant?

 

[rightwinger]

How about we meet at the Lincoln Memorial and you guys can watch as I urinate on the statute of the tyrant?

Its a free country

You are welcome to get arrested anywhere you want

 

[elvis]

Anyone who believes Lincoln's actions were appropriate, obviously does not believe in the Constitution and likely is a statist, progressive, neo-con, or worse. Because Lincoln clearly was not only a tyrant, since he breached the Constitution repeatedly, but a traitor. He purposely warred on fellow Americans solely for statist reasons...to centralize power to the central government....something the Founders would find completely unacceptable and directly in contradiction to the true meaning of the Declaration and the Constitution. As such, his actions were traitorous and he should have been impeached and removed from office before he managed to murder 800,000 Americans.

It is not surprising that monstrous dictators throughout history managed to gain power, when so many people are ignorant or unable to accept the TRUTH.

Beyond a doubt our greatest President

Carry on

Doesn't happen often that rightwinger and I are in complete agreement.

 

[gipper]

The great H.L.Mencken agrees with me. To bad so many Americans are not intelligent enough or too brainwashed, to the see the truth.

But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination—"that government of the people, by the people, for the people," should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in that battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves. What was the practical effect of the battle of Gettysburg? What else than the destruction of the old sovereignty of the States, i.e., of the people of the States? The Confederates went into battle free; they came out with their freedom subject to the supervision and veto of the rest of the country—and for nearly twenty years that veto was so effective that they enjoyed scarcely more liberty, in the political sense, than so many convicts in the penitentiary.
H.L. Mencken on Abraham Lincoln

 

[thanatos144]

Don't you neo confederates ever get tired or crying that the south lost a war they started?

 

[Mushroom]

The great H.L.Mencken agrees with me. To bad so many Americans are not intelligent enough or too brainwashed, to the see the truth.

Ahh, so a racist agrees with you. Oh wow.

The Jews could be put down very plausibly as the most unpleasant race ever heard of. As commonly encountered, they lack many of the qualities that mark the civilized man: courage, dignity, incorruptibility, ease, confidence. They have vanity without pride, voluptuousness without taste, and learning without wisdom. Their fortitude, such as it is, is wasted upon puerile objects, and their charity is mainly a form of display.

Trieste of the Gods, 1930, first edition

t is impossible to talk anything resembling discretion or judgment to a colored woman.

H.L. Mencken, personal diary, 1943

Yea, guess it is satisfying to agree with such an individual to some people. I am thankfully not one of them.