Stop Calling Leftists ‘Liberals’

[NYcarbineer]

The Left managed to requisition a word and redefine it in order to form a false bond with the Founding Fathers, who of course were "liberal" in the classical sense. It's well past time that erroneous definition was corrected.

This was the founders' view of corporations:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Which liberalism is that?

"Our Hidden History" Too funny. Whence comes these gentlemen's authority on the subject of hidden histories?

They're historical facts.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The Left managed to requisition a word and redefine it in order to form a false bond with the Founding Fathers, who of course were "liberal" in the classical sense. It's well past time that erroneous definition was corrected.

This was the founders' view of corporations:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Which liberalism is that?

"Our Hidden History" Too funny. Whence comes these gentlemen's authority on the subject of hidden histories?

They're historical facts.

I have often found your facts to be wanting. What's new?

 

[francoHFW]

Mormon money scaring the dupes? That's why we have courts, the tyranny of the majority. DONE!

so you are saying that your fellow democrats out here were scared of the Mormons?......thats pretty telling Frankie....it just sounds like an excuse to me....in the voting booth you are alone,the big bad Mormon aint in there with you...

They paid millions for fear mongering, lying ads. I'm for Gay Marriage and fighting it is bigoted BS anyway you look at it. And LEGALIZE and tax Pot! lol. And let em out of prison.

so then they are stupid?....they actually listened to a religious organization?.....i find that hard to believe Frankie,why cant you just accept the fact that MANY Democrats and lefties at that time anyway,were just not accepting or ready for same sex marriage?.....simple as that....

They told lies about what it meant, as I remember.

but they are also just a tad anti-gay marriage.....why would a pro gay or a gay believe what they are saying?.....you are just making excuses Frankie,why is it so hard to believe that at those points in time,people were just not ready for same sex marriage....

Of course- but we're talking about the Mormons and others spending millions of dollars for fear mongering, LYING ads- and dupes lol. TY, SC.

 

[kaz]

Conservatives fear change and diversity.

You're the conservatives now, Holmes. You won

 

[kaz]

It starts talking about a Bill O'Reilly of FoxNews comment and, in effect, puts the record straight. Here's an excerpt:


Classically, liberalism stands for economic freedom, freedom of expression, civil rights of individuals, and limited government under the rule of law. In fact, in much of the world outside of the U.S., in Europe and Australia and even Canada, it still means that, and is considered “right wing.” But there is nothing “liberal” about the modern American left, or the Democrats’ leadership or base, and there hasn’t been for decades.


I am definitely going to change my definition of liberalism and make darned sure I don't get it mixed up with the Left's socialism and “progressive” outlook.


Read the story @ The left hijacks the word liberal to serve their agenda PJ Media

I'm with you, I do try to refer to them as leftists or authoritarian leftists. As you say, there is nothing liberal about them. Check out my sig

 

[francoHFW]

It starts talking about a Bill O'Reilly of FoxNews comment and, in effect, puts the record straight. Here's an excerpt:


Classically, liberalism stands for economic freedom, freedom of expression, civil rights of individuals, and limited government under the rule of law. In fact, in much of the world outside of the U.S., in Europe and Australia and even Canada, it still means that, and is considered “right wing.” But there is nothing “liberal” about the modern American left, or the Democrats’ leadership or base, and there hasn’t been for decades.


I am definitely going to change my definition of liberalism and make darned sure I don't get it mixed up with the Left's socialism and “progressive” outlook.


Read the story @ The left hijacks the word liberal to serve their agenda PJ Media

I'm with you, I do try to refer to them as leftists or authoritarian leftists. As you say, there is nothing liberal about them. Check out my sig

BS. Choice to the people. As opposed to Pub freedom, just as long as you agree with us and give it up to the rich and their giant corps. In the real world, Dems are pragmatic centrists and the New BS GOP is greedy, nuts and brainwashed/off the wall.

On the whole, you just seem to worry about keeping your taxes down, and fall for Pubcrappe about low taxes- BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE RICH AND THEIR CORPS ONLY, dupe.

 

[Harry Dresden]

so you are saying that your fellow democrats out here were scared of the Mormons?......thats pretty telling Frankie....it just sounds like an excuse to me....in the voting booth you are alone,the big bad Mormon aint in there with you...

They paid millions for fear mongering, lying ads. I'm for Gay Marriage and fighting it is bigoted BS anyway you look at it. And LEGALIZE and tax Pot! lol. And let em out of prison.

so then they are stupid?....they actually listened to a religious organization?.....i find that hard to believe Frankie,why cant you just accept the fact that MANY Democrats and lefties at that time anyway,were just not accepting or ready for same sex marriage?.....simple as that....

They told lies about what it meant, as I remember.

but they are also just a tad anti-gay marriage.....why would a pro gay or a gay believe what they are saying?.....you are just making excuses Frankie,why is it so hard to believe that at those points in time,people were just not ready for same sex marriage....

Of course- but we're talking about the Mormons and others spending millions of dollars for fear mongering, LYING ads- and dupes lol. TY, SC.

 

[francoHFW]

They paid millions for fear mongering, lying ads. I'm for Gay Marriage and fighting it is bigoted BS anyway you look at it. And LEGALIZE and tax Pot! lol. And let em out of prison.

so then they are stupid?....they actually listened to a religious organization?.....i find that hard to believe Frankie,why cant you just accept the fact that MANY Democrats and lefties at that time anyway,were just not accepting or ready for same sex marriage?.....simple as that....

They told lies about what it meant, as I remember.

but they are also just a tad anti-gay marriage.....why would a pro gay or a gay believe what they are saying?.....you are just making excuses Frankie,why is it so hard to believe that at those points in time,people were just not ready for same sex marriage....

Of course- but we're talking about the Mormons and others spending millions of dollars for fear mongering, LYING ads- and dupes lol. TY, SC.

seeing only red cross...

 

[francoHFW]

It starts talking about a Bill O'Reilly of FoxNews comment and, in effect, puts the record straight. Here's an excerpt:


Classically, liberalism stands for economic freedom, freedom of expression, civil rights of individuals, and limited government under the rule of law. In fact, in much of the world outside of the U.S., in Europe and Australia and even Canada, it still means that, and is considered “right wing.” But there is nothing “liberal” about the modern American left, or the Democrats’ leadership or base, and there hasn’t been for decades.


I am definitely going to change my definition of liberalism and make darned sure I don't get it mixed up with the Left's socialism and “progressive” outlook.


Read the story @ The left hijacks the word liberal to serve their agenda PJ Media

I'm with you, I do try to refer to them as leftists or authoritarian leftists. As you say, there is nothing liberal about them. Check out my sig

BS. Choice to the people. As opposed to Pub freedom, just as long as you agree with us and give it up to the rich and their giant corps. In the real world, Dems are pragmatic centrists and the New BS GOP is greedy, nuts and brainwashed/off the wall.

On the whole, you just seem to worry about keeping your taxes down, and fall for Pubcrappe about low taxes- BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE RICH AND THEIR CORPS ONLY, dupe.

GOPers seem to want to throw all opponents in prison. Think pot, abortion, flag stompers, etc etc. Dems? NOT.

 

[flacaltenn]

For our leftist buds that are still confused about this ----

Henry D. Thoreau was a Liberal ---- the Noam Chomsky stuff they fed you in college is leftist.

Shawn Hannity and Rush Limbaugh just recently discovered the word "freedom". Liberals have been pounding on it's importance since our founding..

Liberals have economic, social and legal principles and an innate fear of large intrusive government. Leftists only care about being in control of large intrusive governments and will morph their principles in order to win.

Shouldn't be a lot of confusion here. Most BigL ibertarians and SOME Dems are Liberals. Tea Party could be politically liberal but comes from socially conservative base.

Common wisdom is that liberal/conservative is measured on a one-dimensional ruler. But there are at least TWO and maybe more measurements. Social and economic freedom are inseparable. And without BOTH, you are not truly free.

 

[flacaltenn]

It starts talking about a Bill O'Reilly of FoxNews comment and, in effect, puts the record straight. Here's an excerpt:


Classically, liberalism stands for economic freedom, freedom of expression, civil rights of individuals, and limited government under the rule of law. In fact, in much of the world outside of the U.S., in Europe and Australia and even Canada, it still means that, and is considered “right wing.” But there is nothing “liberal” about the modern American left, or the Democrats’ leadership or base, and there hasn’t been for decades.


I am definitely going to change my definition of liberalism and make darned sure I don't get it mixed up with the Left's socialism and “progressive” outlook.


Read the story @ The left hijacks the word liberal to serve their agenda PJ Media

I'm with you, I do try to refer to them as leftists or authoritarian leftists. As you say, there is nothing liberal about them. Check out my sig

BS. Choice to the people. As opposed to Pub freedom, just as long as you agree with us and give it up to the rich and their giant corps. In the real world, Dems are pragmatic centrists and the New BS GOP is greedy, nuts and brainwashed/off the wall.

On the whole, you just seem to worry about keeping your taxes down, and fall for Pubcrappe about low taxes- BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE RICH AND THEIR CORPS ONLY, dupe.

GOPers seem to want to throw all opponents in prison. Think pot, abortion, flag stompers, etc etc. Dems? NOT.

You party animals are truly amusing. Many conservative leaders have advocated for pot reform. Including William Buckley. There is plenty of discussion and debate on the issues within that party.

What you don't realize -- is that BOTH parties are fractured pretty badly right now. The Reps have their "Tea Party" pseudo-libertarian split which YOU think is amusing. But the Dems have their Leftist/Socialist split which the rest of us political outsiders view as far more dangerous to freedom and the Constitution..

If you don't LIKE Govt/Corporate collusion and quid pro quo -- You're only real solution is supporting TRUE liberal 3rd parties like the Libertarians. No way that's an ADVERTISEMENT.. It's a FACT....

 

[francoHFW]

The Left managed to requisition a word and redefine it in order to form a false bond with the Founding Fathers, who of course were "liberal" in the classical sense. It's well past time that erroneous definition was corrected.

This was the founders' view of corporations:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Which liberalism is that?

So the FFs were TOTALLY against corporations getting into politics.

For our leftist buds that are still confused about this ----

Henry D. Thoreau was a Liberal ---- the Noam Chomsky stuff they fed you in college is leftist.

Shawn Hannity and Rush Limbaugh just recently discovered the word "freedom". Liberals have been pounding on it's importance since our founding..

Liberals have economic, social and legal principles and an innate fear of large intrusive government. Leftists only care about being in control of large intrusive governments and will morph their principles in order to win.

Shouldn't be a lot of confusion here. Most BigL ibertarians and SOME Dems are Liberals. Tea Party could be politically liberal but comes from socially conservative base.

Common wisdom is that liberal/conservative is measured on a one-dimensional ruler. But there are at least TWO and maybe more measurements. Social and economic freedom are inseparable. And without BOTH, you are not truly free.

Economic freedom? If you're talking about corporations able to do what they want, it's usually bad for people and their fredom. See corrupt GOP deregulation bubbles and busts. Strong, reasonable regulation is socialism. feel the Bern. lol

 

[francoHFW]

It starts talking about a Bill O'Reilly of FoxNews comment and, in effect, puts the record straight. Here's an excerpt:


Classically, liberalism stands for economic freedom, freedom of expression, civil rights of individuals, and limited government under the rule of law. In fact, in much of the world outside of the U.S., in Europe and Australia and even Canada, it still means that, and is considered “right wing.” But there is nothing “liberal” about the modern American left, or the Democrats’ leadership or base, and there hasn’t been for decades.


I am definitely going to change my definition of liberalism and make darned sure I don't get it mixed up with the Left's socialism and “progressive” outlook.


Read the story @ The left hijacks the word liberal to serve their agenda PJ Media

I'm with you, I do try to refer to them as leftists or authoritarian leftists. As you say, there is nothing liberal about them. Check out my sig

BS. Choice to the people. As opposed to Pub freedom, just as long as you agree with us and give it up to the rich and their giant corps. In the real world, Dems are pragmatic centrists and the New BS GOP is greedy, nuts and brainwashed/off the wall.

On the whole, you just seem to worry about keeping your taxes down, and fall for Pubcrappe about low taxes- BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE RICH AND THEIR CORPS ONLY, dupe.

GOPers seem to want to throw all opponents in prison. Think pot, abortion, flag stompers, etc etc. Dems? NOT.

You party animals are truly amusing. Many conservative leaders have advocated for pot reform. Including William Buckley. There is plenty of discussion and debate on the issues within that party.

What you don't realize -- is that BOTH parties are fractured pretty badly right now. The Reps have their "Tea Party" pseudo-libertarian split which YOU think is amusing. But the Dems have their Leftist/Socialist split which the rest of us political outsiders view as far more dangerous to freedom and the Constitution..

If you don't LIKE Govt/Corporate collusion and quid pro quo -- You're only real solution is supporting TRUE liberal 3rd parties like the Libertarians. No way that's an ADVERTISEMENT.. It's a FACT....

Buckley on that was the exception who proves the rule. Libertarians and TP are just RW whackos who never actually leave the duped wing of the GOP. Like you "outsiders" lol...

 

[flacaltenn]

The Left managed to requisition a word and redefine it in order to form a false bond with the Founding Fathers, who of course were "liberal" in the classical sense. It's well past time that erroneous definition was corrected.

This was the founders' view of corporations:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

Which liberalism is that?

So the FFs were TOTALLY against corporations getting into politics.

For our leftist buds that are still confused about this ----

Henry D. Thoreau was a Liberal ---- the Noam Chomsky stuff they fed you in college is leftist.

Shawn Hannity and Rush Limbaugh just recently discovered the word "freedom". Liberals have been pounding on it's importance since our founding..

Liberals have economic, social and legal principles and an innate fear of large intrusive government. Leftists only care about being in control of large intrusive governments and will morph their principles in order to win.

Shouldn't be a lot of confusion here. Most BigL ibertarians and SOME Dems are Liberals. Tea Party could be politically liberal but comes from socially conservative base.

Common wisdom is that liberal/conservative is measured on a one-dimensional ruler. But there are at least TWO and maybe more measurements. Social and economic freedom are inseparable. And without BOTH, you are not truly free.

Economic freedom? If you're talking about corporations able to do what they want, it's usually bad for people and their fredom. See corrupt GOP deregulation bubbles and busts. Strong, reasonable regulation is socialism. feel the Bern. lol

Wow man. That might be progress. Is that the very first time you ever thought about economic freedom?

Would a "single payer" government run health system bring you economic freedom? Work those neurons bro..

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

If Democrats are so great on the economy through regulation, why after nearly 7 years of Obama and most of that time a Democrat Congress does it all, save for the stock market over which they have no control, suck?

You must be one of those guys who actually BELIEVES the UE rate was 5.3 last month.

 

[flacaltenn]

It starts talking about a Bill O'Reilly of FoxNews comment and, in effect, puts the record straight. Here's an excerpt:


Classically, liberalism stands for economic freedom, freedom of expression, civil rights of individuals, and limited government under the rule of law. In fact, in much of the world outside of the U.S., in Europe and Australia and even Canada, it still means that, and is considered “right wing.” But there is nothing “liberal” about the modern American left, or the Democrats’ leadership or base, and there hasn’t been for decades.


I am definitely going to change my definition of liberalism and make darned sure I don't get it mixed up with the Left's socialism and “progressive” outlook.


Read the story @ The left hijacks the word liberal to serve their agenda PJ Media

I'm with you, I do try to refer to them as leftists or authoritarian leftists. As you say, there is nothing liberal about them. Check out my sig

BS. Choice to the people. As opposed to Pub freedom, just as long as you agree with us and give it up to the rich and their giant corps. In the real world, Dems are pragmatic centrists and the New BS GOP is greedy, nuts and brainwashed/off the wall.

On the whole, you just seem to worry about keeping your taxes down, and fall for Pubcrappe about low taxes- BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE RICH AND THEIR CORPS ONLY, dupe.

GOPers seem to want to throw all opponents in prison. Think pot, abortion, flag stompers, etc etc. Dems? NOT.

You party animals are truly amusing. Many conservative leaders have advocated for pot reform. Including William Buckley. There is plenty of discussion and debate on the issues within that party.

What you don't realize -- is that BOTH parties are fractured pretty badly right now. The Reps have their "Tea Party" pseudo-libertarian split which YOU think is amusing. But the Dems have their Leftist/Socialist split which the rest of us political outsiders view as far more dangerous to freedom and the Constitution..

If you don't LIKE Govt/Corporate collusion and quid pro quo -- You're only real solution is supporting TRUE liberal 3rd parties like the Libertarians. No way that's an ADVERTISEMENT.. It's a FACT....

Buckley on that was the exception who proves the rule. Libertarians and TP are just RW whackos who never actually leave the duped wing of the GOP. Like you "outsiders" lol...

Never read any P.J O'Rourke? Classic right-wing stoner there.... Go get yourself a copy of "Eat the Rich"

 

[francoHFW]

If Democrats are so great on the economy through regulation, why after nearly 7 years of Obama and most of that time a Democrat Congress does it all, save for the stock market over which they have no control, suck?

You must be one of those guys who actually BELIEVES the UE rate was 5.3 last month.

We have the best economy in the world now. Thanks for the depression. Why isn't it better, total Pub disfunction/obstruction for all but a few months, AND shutdown threats until a year and a half ago, 1%+ GDP cuteach time. Now we're in full recovery mode again for the first time since 2010, well as full as possible without an infrastructure jobs bill and training programs for 3-4 million tech jobs and all the rest Pubs are mindlessly blocking. We could be the engine to recover the world (and give young Arabs a good economy), dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

That's the Reagan way of rating UE, fool. Time for new tin foil...

 

[francoHFW]

I'm with you, I do try to refer to them as leftists or authoritarian leftists. As you say, there is nothing liberal about them. Check out my sig

BS. Choice to the people. As opposed to Pub freedom, just as long as you agree with us and give it up to the rich and their giant corps. In the real world, Dems are pragmatic centrists and the New BS GOP is greedy, nuts and brainwashed/off the wall.

On the whole, you just seem to worry about keeping your taxes down, and fall for Pubcrappe about low taxes- BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE RICH AND THEIR CORPS ONLY, dupe.

GOPers seem to want to throw all opponents in prison. Think pot, abortion, flag stompers, etc etc. Dems? NOT.

You party animals are truly amusing. Many conservative leaders have advocated for pot reform. Including William Buckley. There is plenty of discussion and debate on the issues within that party.

What you don't realize -- is that BOTH parties are fractured pretty badly right now. The Reps have their "Tea Party" pseudo-libertarian split which YOU think is amusing. But the Dems have their Leftist/Socialist split which the rest of us political outsiders view as far more dangerous to freedom and the Constitution..

If you don't LIKE Govt/Corporate collusion and quid pro quo -- You're only real solution is supporting TRUE liberal 3rd parties like the Libertarians. No way that's an ADVERTISEMENT.. It's a FACT....

Buckley on that was the exception who proves the rule. Libertarians and TP are just RW whackos who never actually leave the duped wing of the GOP. Like you "outsiders" lol...

Never read any P.J O'Rourke? Classic right-wing stoner there.... Go get yourself a copy of "Eat the Rich"

Yup, he's been FOS since leaving Car and Driver and going for the easy money from GOP dupes.

 

[HenryBHough]

T'is true that not all leftists are liberals. Some are just friggin' idiots from birth.