Stop ridiculing Single Payer HC insurance...and think on your own

[Markle]

Health care is fine, matter of fact, the finest in the world.

Look at where the U.S. ranks, nitwit.......

Life Expectancy for Countries

How many times do you need that to be proven FAKE NEWS before you accept the FACT?

 

[forkup]

People I've met from other countries shake their heads and say "only in America" when our health care system is brought up. This includes Canadians. One reason our health
care is so high here is because of corporate profits of the private insurance companies.

Yes, our health care for profit system gives us the best health care in the world in the most timely fashion.

Please name for us any nation, or three nations, who have developed more life-extending or life-saving drugs than the United States. Do the same for new medical technology and new medical procedures.

Why do you prefer a system such as Canada's where their waiting lists for medical services are, in the majority of cases months and even over a year. Hospitals across our Northern border are filled with Canadian patients. Did you know that women with difficult pregnancies in Canada are flown or transported to the United States for care because Canada does not have the facilities available? Why do you want that for this country?

best health care in the world in the most timely fashion.

Well. At the end of July I got diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome, Had my surgery last week wednesday. I went in at 7.00 am had my surgery at 8.00am was out of the hospital at 12.30pm. My wife a few years back had a compound fracture in her ankle. She had surgery about 2 hours after she walked in the hospital and was out that same evening. So tell me markle what the turnaround time is for Americans in those circumstances?

 

[BulletProof]

Explain why it's oppressive to provide healthcare for each and every one of it's citizens? And if it's so inefficient why are all single payer healthcare countries considerably cheaper?

I already pointed out that socialized medicine is better than what we have now, so it's rather stupid of you to challenge me by asking why countries with socialized medicine are cheaper than what we have now.

You're a stupid, ignorant person, if you need someone to explain why socialism is oppressive and inefficient.

In socialism, no one wants to work because everything is free. And, because everything is free, everyone wants an infinite amount of everything. So, the government has to force people to work. And, the government has to dictate how much of something you can have. That's oppression.

In socialism, no one wants to work, so when they're forced to work, they don't try very hard. Everyone wants an infinite amount of everything, so when the government dictates how much you can have, it does so according to its own interests, not your needs, if which it may know nothing about. That's inefficient.

Socialism = slavery and shortages.

 

[Markle]

I'll give some facts about why single payer is cheaper at least in my country.

Total all your income taxes plus your VAT. Then come talk.

 

[Anathema]

I already pointed out that socialized medicine is better than what we have now,..

You seem to make the mistake of believing the quality of care is more important to msny of us than the delivery system. I'd rather have leeches and amputations in a private system thsn immortality under Government care.

 

[Markle]

In the meantime a couple links about healthcare costs per country vs. USA. USA costs are higher.


The U.S. spends more on healthcare than any other country — but not with better health outcomes

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Insofar as the judging, the ranking is an organization which favors Socialism, the majority of criteria are not based on health care but Socialist ideals.

 

[Thinker101]

In the meantime a couple links about healthcare costs per country vs. USA. USA costs are higher.


The U.S. spends more on healthcare than any other country — but not with better health outcomes

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries

Certainly wouldn't want to say anything that may prevent you from moving to any of those 10 other countries. Enjoy, don't forget to write.

 

[forkup]

Explain why it's oppressive to provide healthcare for each and every one of it's citizens? And if it's so inefficient why are all single payer healthcare countries considerably cheaper?

I already pointed out that socialized medicine is better than what we have now, so it's rather stupid of you to challenge me by asking why countries with socialized medicine are cheaper than what we have now.

You're a stupid, ignorant person, if you need someone to explain why socialism is oppressive and inefficient.

In socialism, no one wants to work because everything is free. And, because everything is free, everyone wants an infinite amount of everything. So, the government has to force people to work. And, the government has to dictate how much of something you can have. That's oppression.

In socialism, no one wants to work, so when they're forced to work, they don't try very hard. Everyone wants an infinite amount of everything, so when the government dictates how much you can have, it does so according to its own interests, not your needs, if which it may know nothing about. That's inefficient.

Socialism = slavery and shortages.

What you seem to be describing is Communism not Socialism.Communism vs Socialism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

 

[Markle]

Well, I am NOW on Medicare....Ask me if I think that "government is controlling my life".....Go on?

 

[2aguy]

I have seen several threads on here mocking Bernie Sanders' attempt (and now he actually has a bill in the Senate) to push for Medicare for All insurance.

The mocking that goes on is two-fold.....First, the blanket (and ignorant) conclusion that anything that smacks of socialism is automatically "bad"...............and Second, that the government CANNOT afford to insure everyone with the somewhat ill-informed mantra of "where would the money come from?"

Addressing the latter, the answer is surprisingly quite simple: The money would come from DIVERTING what we all are paying private health care insurance companies and that same (or lesser) amount would be paid to our country's treasury....Bear in mind the following facts:

• Currently, the average household expenditure on HC is over $10,000
• 55 million of our population is ALREADY on government Medicare
• Our government currently expends $60 plus BILLIONS on Medicaid
• 60% of ALL bankruptcies are due to HC
• The current cost of liability insurance for medical care is over $60 Billion per year....and a good portion of that would be eliminated if HC insurance were under the federal umbrella
• Whereas wages increased by less than 4% in the last 10 years, private HC premiums increased by 88%.
• Private HC companies'CEO's compensation is approximately $200 MILLION per year

Now, it is difficult to eradicate the right wing entrenched opinion that anything that is socialized is automatically bad......The brainwashing has been so thorough, that no amount of data as to how other countries pay less than half in their socialized medicine offerings, and that people in these other countries actually live LONGER and are healthier.

BUT, if we were to stop and open our minds to the analysis that in our country, private health care insurance is outrageously ripping us off, and that an increase in taxes from our paycheck is the SAME as sending a check to some private insurance company, THEN the Sanders' rationale is much less open to mockery.

Bottom line is this......Who would "lose" under Medicare for ALL in this nation???.....Private HC companies. AND who would win under this same plan?,,,,,,,,,ALL OF US!!!!

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Do you realize that Bernie Sanders...the guy pushing this crap, admitted it would cost this country about 33 trillion dollars...for single payer?

Do you understand that the single payer system we already have....the Veterans Administration....designed to serve the needs of a tiny number of Americans, is crap?

Yet you want all of us to get the quality of care they get at the VA......really?

 

[forkup]

I'll give some facts about why single payer is cheaper at least in my country.

Total all your income taxes plus your VAT. Then come talk.

Sure why not

This means that my taxes plus what I pay out of pocket makes me pay about 50 percent of you.

 

[2aguy]

Why the FUCK would someone demand the government take over their very HEALTH?

Gee, why don't we ask ALL those European countries?

The healthcare systems in the European countries are all running out of money....and that is even when we are paying for their entire national militaries.......if they actually had to pay for their own national defense, their welfare states would collapse....

 

[Markle]

Well, I am NOW on Medicare....Ask me if I think that "government is controlling my life".....Go on?

I'm with you, I LOVE my Medicare Advantage. It's great.

It is totally100% unaffordable for the country and we're going deeper in debt with it daily! I hope your kids can afford how to pay this off, I have no clue.

Please check the bottom line and explain how our kids and grandkids are going to foot the bill.

For more information:

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[Thinker101]

Oh, I see. You think government taking over your health care is not government controlling your life.

This is fascinating!

Well, I am NOW on Medicare....Ask me if I think that "government is controlling my life".....Go on?

Hopefully during that process you managed to figure out how Medicare actually works. And you would know Medicare for all would be EXTREMELY expensive.

 

[Markle]

My "conclusions" are repeating back the stupid things you say.

True or false:

1) you started the thread advocating for government run health care.

2) I just quoted you requesting we stop providing healthcare for government employees.

Which is wrong, oh great pig wrestler?

Moron....follow the fucking thread instead of picking and choosing.....I was responding to some other idiot who demanded that HC insurance should be paid ONLY by each individual....no subsidies....and I responded with, "TRY THAT with government employees or elected officials" and see how far THAT goes.

Go find some other thread to fuck up.

 

[nat4900]

Once again your ill informed self is glaringly obvious.
As it has been said 12,000,000 times - European countries, with few exceptions, expend less than 5% of their treasury for military expenses. Because they rely on American military might to protect them. Their entire economic spending depends on that fact.
Which is why many of us have been saying for yeeeaaaarrrss....these countries either need to pony up and provide for their own security or pay America a tax for providing that security.

What the fuck does the above have to do with those countries (and ours) HC private insurers.

Virtually every country I visited in Europe wants their land back currently used for US military bases.

It is OUR military complex that offers "security" to those countries whether they want it or not.

Use your half brain.

 

[Markle]

People I've met from other countries shake their heads and say "only in America" when our health care system is brought up. This includes Canadians. One reason our health
care is so high here is because of corporate profits of the private insurance companies.

Yes, our health care for profit system gives us the best health care in the world in the most timely fashion.

Please name for us any nation, or three nations, who have developed more life-extending or life-saving drugs than the United States. Do the same for new medical technology and new medical procedures.

Why do you prefer a system such as Canada's where their waiting lists for medical services are, in the majority of cases months and even over a year. Hospitals across our Northern border are filled with Canadian patients. Did you know that women with difficult pregnancies in Canada are flown or transported to the United States for care because Canada does not have the facilities available? Why do you want that for this country?

best health care in the world in the most timely fashion.

Well. At the end of July I got diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome, Had my surgery last week wednesday. I went in at 7.00 am had my surgery at 8.00am was out of the hospital at 12.30pm. My wife a few years back had a compound fracture in her ankle. She had surgery about 2 hours after she walked in the hospital and was out that same evening. So tell me markle what the turnaround time is for Americans in those circumstances?

In what country do you live?

 

[Kondor3]

Stop ridiculing Single Payer HC insurance...and think on your own

Generally speaking, the Gubmint turns most things that it touches into $hit...

Time for them to pony-up, and to demonstrate competency and timeliness, on a routine basis...

Tell ya what...

Flush the 11-12,000,000 -strong wave of invaders (Illegal Aliens) and make them go back home...

Secure the border in a sustainable fashion...

Dump the Gay Mafia agenda...

And the rest of us will think about it...

 

[forkup]

People I've met from other countries shake their heads and say "only in America" when our health care system is brought up. This includes Canadians. One reason our health
care is so high here is because of corporate profits of the private insurance companies.

Yes, our health care for profit system gives us the best health care in the world in the most timely fashion.

Please name for us any nation, or three nations, who have developed more life-extending or life-saving drugs than the United States. Do the same for new medical technology and new medical procedures.

Why do you prefer a system such as Canada's where their waiting lists for medical services are, in the majority of cases months and even over a year. Hospitals across our Northern border are filled with Canadian patients. Did you know that women with difficult pregnancies in Canada are flown or transported to the United States for care because Canada does not have the facilities available? Why do you want that for this country?

best health care in the world in the most timely fashion.

Well. At the end of July I got diagnosed with carpal tunnel syndrome, Had my surgery last week wednesday. I went in at 7.00 am had my surgery at 8.00am was out of the hospital at 12.30pm. My wife a few years back had a compound fracture in her ankle. She had surgery about 2 hours after she walked in the hospital and was out that same evening. So tell me markle what the turnaround time is for Americans in those circumstances?

In what country do you live?

Belgium

 

[nat4900]

The healthcare systems in the European countries are all running out of money....and that is even when we are paying for their entire national militaries.......if they actually had to pay for their own national defense, their welfare states would collapse....

yet another R-W morons chimes in with what hannity told them,,,,,,See post #136