toxicmedia
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I think you're asking for too much from junior high school history books, and none of what I wrote, did I learn from them.One of the things I'm quite guilty of is rockin' my General Sherman avatar on this site when a southern White Nationalist comes along, but you seem like a reasonable fellow.Your heritage is a four year period where your ancestors started a war in support of slavery and got their asses kicked?In solidarity with my heritage I am changing my Avatar.
My great, great great grandfather never own a slave in his life but he joined the 5th Florida Regiment when the filthy union threaten to attack his state and threaten his family.
He fought at the Battle of Olustee when an invasion force of filthy union troops were trying to kill Floridians. He later fought at the defense of Richmond when the the filthy union army was trying to kill Southerners. He was in the Battle of Cold Harbor.
His letters are in the library at the University of Florida. You should go read them. It will tell you a lot more about the reasons the Southern patriots fought than that stupid Jr High School history book that you read that was written by the winners.
Another thing I'm guilty of is comparing the morality of 1850's southerners with that of today regarding the justifications for secession written by southerners before the war, especially those of South Carolina and Texas.
I've read a great deal about the etiquette practiced by slave owners, that many ignored, and many think was the standard, I'm not apologizing for any of it, but within that concept the southern slave owners were no more evil on average than anybody else, at any period in our history.
You call the Union soldiers "filthy" and I half expected you to call them "blue bellied devils"...but they too were no more evil than any other invading army tends to be. Robert E. Lee once said 'it is good that war is terrible, otherwise men would grow fond of it.'. The accounts you may have grown up with could be equally romantic in the reverse.
It was a terrible time in America between 1865-1880. Lot's of young civil war vets with PTSD running wild and lawless.
That said...there is no way out of the facts that the North cared less about abolition than they did using that cause to win the war, and there is no doubt that the south seceded over the state's rights issue of the legality of slave ownership
One of the things that the Jr High School history text book written by the winners fail to mention is that the act of secession was not an act of war. The act of war was when Lincoln broke the truce at Ft Sumter with the intent of creating hostilities and he accomplished that goal. He did it without approval of Congress or even with the council of his Cabinet. The real war started the day the sonofabitch sent Union troops to attack Americans.
There are two dimensions to the cause of the war that the Jr High school history text books written by the winners fails to mention.
First is the fact that the North was trying to raid the cash rich South by the imposition of tariffs on the exports of cotton and tobacco to Europe. The North had a couple of recessions (Panics) and they used their majority in Congress to create redistribution of wealth and the South didn't like that oppression. The same thing we see with the Libtards nowadays. Now that didn't affect the average Southern but it did affect he more powerful political leaders.
Second the issue of slavery was a bogus issue for the most part. Slavery was legal in the US for almost 100 years before the war, during the war and for almost a year after the war. However, the issue of slavery was used as a political tool for power in Congress.
During this time there was expansion into the west and the issue of if a new state was going to be admitted would it be free or slave. If it was going to be admitted as free then it was going to be dominated by Republicans and if slave Democrats. That would strengthen the corresponding parties influence in Congress and the governemnt. The great slave debates and speeches in Congress were nothing more than typical political posturing for power. We see the same kind of crap nowadays.
If the war was fought to free the slaves as the Jr High School Histry text says then why did one third of the Confederate states first decide not to leave for the same reasons as SC but changed their mind after that lunatic Lincoln declared he was going to raise an army and kill Americans for the political act of secession? Why was slavery allowed to exist in the US during the war? Why was slavery even exempted in the US from the Emancipation Proclamation in many areas like West Va and occupied New Orleans? Why was DC fortified with slave labor during the war? Why did Lincoln himself say that the war was not fought to free the slaves but "to save the Union"?
The average Southerner during this time (like my Grandfather(3) mentioned above) did not fight for the political reasons. They fought against an Union invasion. They fought to protect their homes from the filthy ass Union troops. There is a lot of evidence of that but it is always ignored by the Jr High School History text written by the winners.
After the deaths of almost a million Americans and the destruction of a third of the country it is too little and too late but the US government owes the people of the South a major apology. The issues of secession could have been settled over time without war if it wasn't for that lunatic Lincoln. That man was crazy.
I prefer books written by authors that cite directly the words used by politicians and civilians, of which there is an abundance, on the period.
I would recommend "The Firey Trial" by Eric Foner, and I hope you'll forgive my presumptions if I'm mistaken...but it sounds like your assessment of Lincoln's intentions may be unbalanced.
As far as Fort Sumter. I think that issue has less to do with the Confederacy and the Union, than is does Anderson VS Beauregard, and their dialog prior to the "battle". But it was merely the spark that ignited the dry tinder.
The argument is quite simple as has nothing to do with liberals and conservatives today. The south thought they should be able to secede, and the north thought they shouldn't. From there, the arguments get emotional and prone to varying bias up to irrationality.
The US doesn't owe the south an apology because the people who needed to apologize, and hear an apology are dead.
I'm not underexposed to the southern perspective, and paid little attention in junior high, but I feel like my overall feelings about the "hows, whats, and whys" are pretty balanced. If you're looking to justify either side's morality, anyone can find that if they want, most likely at the expense of reality.