Tax Cuts Steal Democracy

[EdwardBaiamonte]

but republicans don't want smaller government and no deficits you just can't seem to admit that to yourself

???? if enough Republican politicians and voters wanted it, or anything else, I see no reason why they could not have it given we have a democracy??

 

[Skull Pilot]

but republicans don't want smaller government and no deficits you just can't seem to admit that to yourself

???? if enough Republican politicians and voters wanted it, or anything else, I see no reason why they could not have it given we have a democracy??

as I said we do not have a democracy so we don't need a majority of the entire population to want it it's you who can't seem to understand that

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

as I said we do not have a democracy so we don't need a majority of the entire population to want it it's you who can't seem to understand that

you lost debate so want to talk about size of majority needed!! How idiotic. The point is when there is enough of a majority in our democracy you can you anything you want. Now do you understand?
Republicans cant convert system to capitalism and Democrats cant convert to single payer communism until one has enough of a majority. 1+1=2

 

[Skull Pilot]

as I said we do not have a democracy so we don't need a majority of the entire population to want it it's you who can't seem to understand that

you lost debate so want to talk about size of majority needed!! How idiotic. The point is when there is enough of a majority in our democracy you can you anything you want. Now do you understand?
Republicans cant convert system to capitalism and Democrats cant convert to single payer communism until one has enough of a majority. 1+1=2

we do not have a democracy we have a republic
by saying we live in a democracy you illustrate your ignorance

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

as I said we do not have a democracy so we don't need a majority of the entire population to want it it's you who can't seem to understand that

you lost debate so want to talk about size of majority needed!! How idiotic. The point is when there is enough of a majority in our democracy you can you anything you want. Now do you understand?
Republicans cant convert system to capitalism and Democrats cant convert to single payer communism until one has enough of a majority. 1+1=2

we do not have a democracy we have a republic
by saying we live in a democracy you illustrate your ignorance

Fool liberal lost debate on subject and is trying to change subject but to another subject about which he is equally ignorant:



To be sure, in addition to being a representative democracy, the United States is also a constitutional democracy, in which courts restrain in some measure the democratic will. And the United States is therefore also a constitutional republic. Indeed, the United States might be labeled a constitutional federal representative democracy. But where one word is used, with all the oversimplification that this necessary entails, “democracy” and “republic” both work. Indeed, since direct democracy — again, a government in which all or most laws are made by direct popular vote — would be impractical given the number and complexity of laws that pretty much any state or national government is expected to enact, it’s unsurprising that the qualifier “representative” would often be omitted. Practically speaking, representative democracy is the only democracy that’s around at any state or national level.

 

[The Derp]

case you didn't know Mitch Is a moron..Again we are talking Kansas and you libsare doing the same thing in New York State

No, they are most definitely not doing the same thing in NY as they did in KS. In NY, in order to get the tax break, the business must set up shop on or near NY State College campuses. In KS, it was just a dumb tax cut with no requirements attached. It's not the same at all, and saying it's the same means you are employing Russian Active Measures.

And McConnell is a moron? Since when? He's the GOP Senate Majority leader and speaks for the party and the ideology. McConnell isn't an idiot, he's just an asshole.

 

[The Derp]

God damn, go ahead and raise taxes.. Then all your going to do is cry where I'd the jobs, where is the revenue idio

Revenue comes from taxes. You raise taxes, you raise revenues. You cut taxes, you cut revenues. Why? Because, math.

But let's get back to the subject you dodged from; McConnell insisting the policies that failed in Kansas are the ones he wants nationwide. Given the poor results from Kansas, why would the same plan work nationally?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

case you didn't know Mitch Is a moron..Again we are talking Kansas and you libsare doing the same thing in New York State

No, they are most definitely not doing the same thing in NY as they did in KS. In NY, in order to get the tax break, the business must set up shop on or near NY State College campuses. In KS, it was just a dumb tax cut with no requirements attached. It's not the same at all, and saying it's the same means you are employing Russian Active Measures.

And McConnell is a moron? Since when? He's the GOP Senate Majority leader and speaks for the party and the ideology. McConnell isn't an idiot, he's just an asshole.

A simple dumb tax cut is what Ireland did and most of the worlds major corporations moved there in whole or in part. It stands to reason that A simple liberal would not know thatwould not know thatA liberal would have us believe that if we raise taxes corporations will move to where the highest tax is.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

God damn, go ahead and raise taxes.. Then all your going to do is cry where I'd the jobs, where is the revenue idio

Revenue comes from taxes. You raise taxes, you raise revenues. You cut taxes, you cut revenues. Why? Because, math.

But let's get back to the subject you dodged from; McConnell insisting the policies that failed in Kansas are the ones he wants nationwide. Given the poor results from Kansas, why would the same plan work nationally?

Why would it work nationally after we saw work nationally in Ireland. Only liberal would find the lesson too complicated because it interferes with his Marxist plan to steal from corporations at gunpoint

 

[The Derp]

They kept the jobs that existed

So your position went from "Ireland creates jobs", to "Ireland keeps jobs that are already there". Where are these jobs "kept"? No idea because you don't seem to know what you're talking about. So you shifted the goalposts as more information came to light, meaning you're just talking out of your rear end.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

God damn, go ahead and raise taxes.. Then all your going to do is cry where I'd the jobs, where is the revenue idio

Revenue comes from taxes. You raise taxes, you raise revenues. You cut taxes, you cut revenues. Why? Because, math.

But let's get back to the subject you dodged from; McConnell insisting the policies that failed in Kansas are the ones he wants nationwide. Given the poor results from Kansas, why would the same plan work nationally?

The more you raise taxes and more government has to spend and waste and the more bogged down in economy becomes.

 

[The Derp]

Who is moving? According to the new liberal talking points the jobs are being automated

They are being automated, yes, but millions of jobs migrated to Third World nations over the last 40 years. Conservatives did everything in their power to encourage that. Which is why Nixon visited China in the 70's. Right after that visit, Conservatives began urging businesses to set up shop in China because of the low wages they can pay, and the lack of safety and environmental protections.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

They kept the jobs that existed

So your position went from "Ireland creates jobs", to "Ireland keeps jobs that are already there". Where are these jobs "kept"? No idea because you don't seem to know what you're talking about. So you shifted the goalposts as more information came to light, meaning you're just talking out of your rear end.

Yes text cuts in Ireland generated thousands and thousands of jobs that will be kept in Ireland as long is the tax rates remain very very low

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Who is moving? According to the new liberal talking points the jobs are being automated

They are being automated, yes, but millions of jobs migrated to Third World nations over the last 40 years. Conservatives did everything in their power to encourage that. Which is why Nixon visited China in the 70's. Right after that visit, Conservatives began urging businesses to set up shop in China because of the low wages they can pay, and the lack of safety and environmental protections.

Opening China in turning it to republican capitalism was the most successful foreign-policy in the history of America now they are like us ratger than huge communist enemies who want to destroy us 1+1 = 2

 

[The Derp]

Stupid of course

No, you are being stupid. Business cares about nothing else other than profit. All decisions come down to that. And those decisions are made by the Board of Directors who are also the majority shareholders, meaning there is an inherent conflict of interest. Everything the business does in that situation, is done for the benefit of the majority shareholders/Board of Directors who receive their compensation via stock or other forms of deferred compensation tied to the value of the company. That value only increases when profits exceed expectations. If that means moving production overseas, then that is what is going to happen. You have to get out of the mindset that business is benevolent or moral. It's not. Business is amoral.

the pure beauty of capitalism is that the only way you make profit is by raising the standard of living at the fastest rate possible. Try going into business with the objective of making a profit more important than the objective of pleasing your customers and see how well you do

How do you raise the standard of living, exactly? By cutting wages? Because that is the right's position. We can improve our standard of living if everyone just accepted less income. That makes as much sense as trickle-down.

 

[The Derp]

Also corporations don't move to China because they want to they moved to China because they have to to get their customers the lowest prices possible if they don't a competitor will and They go out of business. There is no more profit to be made by moving to China.

So why did they go to China? Because they could pay the workers there by the day what they had to pay American workers by the hour. In most cases, the companies doing this are already profitable, but they have wealthy majority shareholders to please, and those shareholders are only pleased when the value of the company rises. If demand isn't there to increase revenues, thus increasing profits, then in order to maintain projected profit margins, the business has to make cuts to its expenses. That almost always means lower wages. This fantasy free market you think exists has never existed and will never exist. It's pure fantasy.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Stupid of course

No, you are being stupid. Business cares about nothing else other than profit. All decisions come down to that. And those decisions are made by the Board of Directors who are also the majority shareholders, meaning there is an inherent conflict of interest. Everything the business does in that situation, is done for the benefit of the majority shareholders/Board of Directors who receive their compensation via stock or other forms of deferred compensation tied to the value of the company. That value only increases when profits exceed expectations. If that means moving production overseas, then that is what is going to happen. You have to get out of the mindset that business is benevolent or moral. It's not. Business is amoral.

the pure beauty of capitalism is that the only way you make profit is by raising the standard of living at the fastest rate possible. Try going into business with the objective of making a profit more important than the objective of pleasing your customers and see how well you do

How do you raise the standard of living, exactly? By cutting wages? Because that is the right's position. We can improve our standard of living if everyone just accepted less income. That makes as much sense as trickle-down.

Business cares about nothing but profit? Totally Marxist mistake try going into business and caring only about profits when your competitors care about pleasing and loving their customers can you predict which competitor will go bankrupt? Now you've learned The essential nature of capitalism please stop being a Marxist idiot marks slowly starved 120 million human souls to death

 

[The Derp]

Also the corporate tax is merely passed on like any cost of doing business we have the tax only to appeal to the pure ignorance of liberals who want corporations to pay "their fair share "liberals are far too stupid do you know that they pay the corporations "fair share"Notice that when a liberal and conservative meet the conservative always ends up running a kindergarten

The Conservative is almost always wrong about everything they say. So it is like kindergarten with you people, only it's more special-ed than actual kindergarten. You say the corporate tax is passed on to us. How so? Taxes are on profits, not revenues.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Also corporations don't move to China because they want to they moved to China because they have to to get their customers the lowest prices possible if they don't a competitor will and They go out of business. There is no more profit to be made by moving to China.

So why did they go to China? Because they could pay the workers there by the day what they had to pay American workers by the hour. In most cases, the companies doing this are already profitable, but they have wealthy majority shareholders to please, and those shareholders are only pleased when the value of the company rises. If demand isn't there to increase revenues, thus increasing profits, then in order to maintain projected profit margins, the business has to make cuts to its expenses. That almost always means lower wages. This fantasy free market you think exists has never existed and will never exist. It's pure fantasy.

Why go to China? They had no choice their greedy customers wanted the lowest price possible if they didn't go to China someone else would and then They would go bankrupt. Now you've learned the basics. Is this lesson too complicated for you

 

[The Derp]

A simple dumb tax cut is what Ireland did and most of the worlds major corporations moved there in whole or in part.

A) No, they did not, that is an exaggeration
B) That move to Ireland created fewer jobs in 5-6 years than Obama created in one week of his last month in office

So if the jobs aren't there, if the revenue isn't there, why are you tooting Ireland's horn?