Tax the rich, lose the rich

[JakeStarkey]

The Rabbi has a leaking roof he won't fix, yet won't let anybody else try to fix it.

That is why the GOP was fired in 2006 and 2008 and will be again this fall (the Dems now are going to gain two to three votes in the senate as GOP campaigns are beginning to implode).

The Dems will argue rightfully that if the voters go back to the old ways the GOP will explode the economy.

 

[The Rabbi]

tax the rich get a trillion dollars, don't worry tea baggers your double wides won't be taxed.

Tax the job creators (the rich) if it will help with the deficit. But dont do it when you are asking the job creators (the rich) to create jobs.

If it is raining out and a man is fixing your leaking roof, would you consider it the right time to ask him to FIRST fix the broken leg on the chair in your living room?

The point that the right wingers still aren't getting is that the job creators had the taxcuts and haven't created jobs with them and the reasons rightwingers gave for the job creators not doingtheir job will still exist even if their taxcuts are estended, so the job creators will still feel justified in maintaining the status quo and not creating jobs.

To use your analogy,

It's raining out and the man who is supposed to be working on your leaking roof isn't but he says if you don't fire him for not doing his job with the money you already gave him then he will get to it after you extend his contract and give him more money. The broken leg on the chair is of no real importance because if he won't fix your roof so why even bother to ask him to fix your chair?

You still insist on this meme despite being shown numerous times it is not true.
Tell me, what would persuade you that it is true?

 

[drsmith1072]

Anyone who is familiar with economics knows the Lafer curve. Anyone who knows about the lafer curve understands that higher taxes do not always lead to higher tax revenue. In fact at a certain point raising taxes decreases tax revenue.

It doesn't make sense to tax any portion of society disproportionately. Tax cuts for everyone is a good idea. It stimulates economic growth. More money in circulation means more taxes, even at lower rates, and will increase government revenue as well as the standard of living for the public.

There is a reason that the majority of economists and business people are Republican. People who understand the economy favor the right.

I don't mean that as a slam though. There are obviously other important factors to consider when voting (social, international...ect) but I think history clearly shows that Republicans (or rather conservative economic theory) are better at economics.

So you reach a certain point raising taxes becomes counterproductive, that is pretty much common sense but can you explain how we have reached that point? It seems based on how the taxcuts have been active and job creation has stalled that we went to the other side of the spectrum where taxcuts have become counterproductive and the job creators don't appreciate them anymore.

Yeah and across the board taxcuts have done wonders thus far so much in fact that we are not currently in a recession whith high unemployment in spite of those currently active taxcuts for everyone. The current situation counters your spin.

The majority of economists and business people are republican?? Really?? Now it couldn't have anything to do with the mantra of the right as they proclaim themselves to be more supportive of businesses and their attempts to bribe them for support and votes with even more taxcuts could it?? LOL You get more bees with honey, so it's only natural that the right cater to them to gain their support but does it really have anything to do with economics or is it just greed??

 

[Bfgrn]

Tax the job creators (the rich) if it will help with the deficit. But dont do it when you are asking the job creators (the rich) to create jobs.

If it is raining out and a man is fixing your leaking roof, would you consider it the right time to ask him to FIRST fix the broken leg on the chair in your living room?

The point that the right wingers still aren't getting is that the job creators had the taxcuts and haven't created jobs with them and the reasons rightwingers gave for the job creators not doingtheir job will still exist even if their taxcuts are estended, so the job creators will still feel justified in maintaining the status quo and not creating jobs.

To use your analogy,

It's raining out and the man who is supposed to be working on your leaking roof isn't but he says if you don't fire him for not doing his job with the money you already gave him then he will get to it after you extend his contract and give him more money. The broken leg on the chair is of no real importance because if he won't fix your roof so why even bother to ask him to fix your chair?

You still insist on this meme despite being shown numerous times it is not true.
Tell me, what would persuade you that it is true?

WHERE ARE THE JOBS that resulted from a decade of tax cuts for the 'job-creators' Rabbi?

A Lost Decade for Jobs

Private sector job growth was almost non-existent over the past ten years. Take a look at this horrifying chart:

Between May 1999 and May 2009, employment in the private sector sector only rose by 1.1%, by far the lowest 10-year increase in the post-depression period.

It’s impossible to overstate how bad this is. Basically speaking, the private sector job machine has almost completely stalled over the past ten years. Take a look at this chart:

Over the past 10 years, the private sector has generated roughly 1.1 million additional jobs, or about 100K per year. The public sector created about 2.4 million jobs.

But even that gives the private sector too much credit. Remember that the private sector includes health care, social assistance, and education, all areas which receive a lot of government support.

Whole article...

A Lost Decade for Jobs - BusinessWeek

 

[drsmith1072]

I edited out Bucs nonsense. Either he can play the game correctly, or he can go bugger himself.

Yes, censorship, thats the answer comrade. All hail the United Socialist States of Russia.

LOL Buc did the same thing and then pulls the "red scare" card out to try and silence someone for calling him out for being dishonest. LOL

 

[drsmith1072]

Cutting their taxes did not seem to help us , dit it?

In the ten years since we cut their taxes we have seen a stagnant economy and limited job growth. Stop with the Bull Shit that raising their tax rate 3% is going to cost jobs

The economy grew quite well after the Bush tax cuts, with low inflation and unemployment. Only when the Democrats got control of Congress did things go south.
But someone must post this information at least every day and you continue to ignore it. When faced with charts, graphs, and articles you clam up and switch topics.
Do you really still hate and envy Bush that much that he could get us out of a serious recession in 18 months while your boy Obama is still foundering 20 months into his term?

Yeah, and I thank you for continued postings of it. In fact, lets sum it up:

1994- Republicans take over Congress for first time in 40 years = Largest economic growth the world has ever seen.

2006- Democrats take Congress back for first time since 1994 = Worst economic disaster since the Depression.

I don't know, lets use some good ole boy logic.

1994-2006 Republican Congress = Massive economic growth
2006-Present Democrat Congress = Worst economic drop sine Depression.


I'm no genius, but the moral of the story is DONT VOTE LIBERAL IN NOVEMBER.

So which one of you is WRONG??

You claim 1994 -2006 massive economic growth and yet the guy you agreed with is trying to claim that W got us out of a massive recession in 18 months??

So which is it and who was in charge of congress during this "massive recession"? LOL

BTW did you happen to miss the fact that the dems controlled the senate for a while during those 18 months that "bush got us out of recession?" LOL

Thanks for the spin and the laughs. LOL

 

[The Rabbi]

The point that the right wingers still aren't getting is that the job creators had the taxcuts and haven't created jobs with them and the reasons rightwingers gave for the job creators not doingtheir job will still exist even if their taxcuts are estended, so the job creators will still feel justified in maintaining the status quo and not creating jobs.

To use your analogy,

It's raining out and the man who is supposed to be working on your leaking roof isn't but he says if you don't fire him for not doing his job with the money you already gave him then he will get to it after you extend his contract and give him more money. The broken leg on the chair is of no real importance because if he won't fix your roof so why even bother to ask him to fix your chair?

You still insist on this meme despite being shown numerous times it is not true.
Tell me, what would persuade you that it is true?

WHERE ARE THE JOBS that resulted from a decade of tax cuts for the 'job-creators' Rabbi?

A Lost Decade for Jobs

Private sector job growth was almost non-existent over the past ten years. Take a look at this horrifying chart:

Between May 1999 and May 2009, employment in the private sector sector only rose by 1.1%, by far the lowest 10-year increase in the post-depression period.

It’s impossible to overstate how bad this is. Basically speaking, the private sector job machine has almost completely stalled over the past ten years. Take a look at this chart:

Over the past 10 years, the private sector has generated roughly 1.1 million additional jobs, or about 100K per year. The public sector created about 2.4 million jobs.

But even that gives the private sector too much credit. Remember that the private sector includes health care, social assistance, and education, all areas which receive a lot of government support.

Whole article...

A Lost Decade for Jobs - BusinessWeek

Do you actually understand what you just posted? Or does it just look like something that supports your argument so you'll post it even though you don't really understand what it said?

 

[drsmith1072]

There is no contradiction. The only contradiction is you writing an intelligent post. I have made the point very clearly. If you cannot understand it, have someone read the post to you.

There is a contradiction but you like so many others CHOOSE not to see it because that reality runs counter to your spin.
The fact is that the taxcuts are currently active and all of you right winger keep making claims about what extending them will do when they haven't accomplished those goals now even though they are active.
So what do you expect to magically change that will accomplish those goals when you haven't shown how anything will change??

I keep asking that question but it's funny how you hacks can only attack as you avoid it.

You ask questions and then don't like the answer and pretend I didnt answer it.
What do you mean "the tax cuts are currently active"?? That is just dumb. The Kennedy tax cuts are "in effect". See what they've done now?

There is no pretending on my part, now you when you pretend that you answer them, now that is on you.

Oh and thanks for playing stupid and trying to spin the "currently active" part of my statement but if the taxcuts are allowed to expire then they will no longer be active. Do you understand NOW??
How can you honestly try to claim that extending the taxcuts will accomplish the goals listed by republicans in this thread when the taxcuts have not accomplished those goals NOW??

See this type of personal attack laced non-responsive BS is what you call answering a question. BTW you still haven't answered my question. Why is that??

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rabbi, you don't understand it. The point is that the GOP did not stimulate great job growth when they were in power, they did not create any significant number of well-paying jobs during that period, and their policies with a compliant Clinton and Bush crashed the economy. Additionally, no one is moving over seas.

You have a hard time understanding that economic libertarianism is only a mirage. It's not real, thus it work.

 

[Bfgrn]

You still insist on this meme despite being shown numerous times it is not true.
Tell me, what would persuade you that it is true?

WHERE ARE THE JOBS that resulted from a decade of tax cuts for the 'job-creators' Rabbi?

A Lost Decade for Jobs

Private sector job growth was almost non-existent over the past ten years. Take a look at this horrifying chart:

Between May 1999 and May 2009, employment in the private sector sector only rose by 1.1%, by far the lowest 10-year increase in the post-depression period.

It’s impossible to overstate how bad this is. Basically speaking, the private sector job machine has almost completely stalled over the past ten years. Take a look at this chart:

Over the past 10 years, the private sector has generated roughly 1.1 million additional jobs, or about 100K per year. The public sector created about 2.4 million jobs.

But even that gives the private sector too much credit. Remember that the private sector includes health care, social assistance, and education, all areas which receive a lot of government support.

Whole article...

A Lost Decade for Jobs - BusinessWeek

Do you actually understand what you just posted? Or does it just look like something that supports your argument so you'll post it even though you don't really understand what it said?

No, I need you to explain it to me in detail...

I will be waiting...

 

[drsmith1072]

And another socialist moonbat chimes in.

You want wealth?....Go out and work for it!....Get an education!....Nodody owes you a god damn thing!

You want to know what is hilarious?? We keep hearing from the right that it is a leftist tactic, taught by some guy the right has mentioned several times, to ignore the arguments and attack the messenger by calling them names and labeling them with a distasteful label and yet it seems that the right uses this tactic with far more regularity than the left. LOL

If you ever made an argument that wasn't at home in a kindergarten you might get taken seriously.
As it is, it's naptime for you.

Is that supposed to make sense?? Oh well it's nothing more than your usual non-responsive personal attacks.

Oh and thanks for giving an example of my argument and how the right engages in the very tactics they claim the left uses. GJ. LOL

 

[drsmith1072]

Employers do not hire people who are over qualified for the job. Right now there is an abundance of highly educated and highly skilled people who are out of work - and super markets ain't hiring them.

Exactly, why hire someone to do a job that is far below their qualifications who is bound to leave if something better comes along??

So you're claiming there is a shortage of properly qualified people for jobs?

So it's back to your old dishonest tactic of putting words into my mouth so you can call me cuckoo?

What I am saying is that I have seen it happen where someone over qualified applies for a job becasue they NEED a job but then they don't get it because the employer has the assumption that when something better comes along that this employee will jump at it and leave the employer looking to fill the spot AGAIN.
Do you get it yet or do I have to dumb it down some more so you can understand??

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Rabbi is a lying, deceitful person who should identify himself with such a great religious tradition.

What a hypocritical smuck he is. Oh, vey.

 

[drsmith1072]

Not doing anything with it?....Got proof?

I guarantee that the majority of businesses are using those cuts to help keep them afloat. To help keep people employed. To help make payroll. To try and avoid lay-offs. To pay business expenses. And on and on and on.

Take those cuts away, and there is no doubt that there will be many more people losing their jobs.

The main reason why businesses aren't expanding, is the lack of confidence in our leadership.

Way to skip my previous post you cowardly dishonest hack. You know, the one where you dishonestly try to put words in my mouth so you could attack me for something i never said, AGAIN. So how about you go back and substantiate your attack or admit that you LIED and then we can talk about what I said compared to what you said in this post??

Oh and since you are big on proof can you prove you claims?? I didn't think so. LOL Way to expose your hypocrisy as you hold me to a different standard than you hold yourself. LOL

The proof is already happening, ya' ignorant hack. It's been explained many times up here by many different people. You just refuse to accept it because you are so desperate to get somebody to buy into your bullshit..Well, nobody's buying your uneducated bullshit, except for a couple of your fellow ignorant loons like Malarkey...Now, I've answered the questions many times, i'm through answering them. It's time for you to now answer a couple o' questions.....Where is your proof that the cuts aren't helping to save jobs at this point, and just what the fuck do you think doing away with the cuts will accomplish, seeing as though their is obviously no confidence in this president and administration within the business community....Not that your ignorant lil' childish ass will ever admit it.

It's time for lockstepping, bootlicking liberal loons such as yourself to admit that your boy is an abject failure on so many levels.

No it hasn't ya' ignorant hack. Saying it doesn't make it so. It also doesn't make your dishonest attempt to put words into my mouth go away either but I do see why a dioshonest coward like you doesn't ahve the integrity to admit that you LIED.

The funny thing is that no one has answered my simple question which points out the contradiction but that hasn't stopped them from claiming it has been responded to and adrdressed even though it hasn't.

One of you has said there is no contradiction and that was the limit to his argument and the other has said it's been answered but can't show HOW it has been answered but they keep making the claim.

BTW are you saying jobs are being saved? REALLY?? That's not what we usually hear from the right when someone on the left makes that argument so I have to admit that I am a little shocked to hear you make that argument for the left. GJ

BTW I am still waiting on you to shwo when and where I made the claim that letting the taxcuts expire will create jobs.

Hell, i'm still waiting for drsmith to explain to us all how doing away with the cuts will help create jobs.....Seeing how he has fully proven to be completely ignorant on the issues of economics and doing business, I fully expect it to be quite entertaining.

You made the argument so where is the proof that I said anything of the kind??

 

[daveman]

Uh, Rabbi, nobody I know who makes 250,000 and more (and I know quite a few at the country club) are planning to move one county over, much less one country.

You are moron if you think anyone is doing anything more than laughing at you.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

 

[daveman]

The Rabbi has a leaking roof he won't fix, yet won't let anybody else try to fix it.

That is why the GOP was fired in 2006 and 2008 and will be again this fall (the Dems now are going to gain two to three votes in the senate as GOP campaigns are beginning to implode).

The Dems will argue rightfully that if the voters go back to the old ways the GOP will explode the economy.

 

[drsmith1072]

Abraham Lincoln said it best!:

1)You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich

2) You can't strengthen the weak by weakening the strong

3) You can't bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift

4) You can't lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down

5) You can't (promote) the brotherhood of many by inciting class hatred

6) You can't build character and courage by taking away a mans initiative and independence

7) You can't help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves


These are the principles we must all remember when heading to the polls in november, and in the next presidential election.

The liberal/progressive agenda will destroy the very foundation of this country. That agenda must be attacked and destroyed.

Lincoln didn't say those things at all... Moron.

Presbytarian Rev. William J.H. Boetcker said them in 1916.

snopes.com: Abraham Lincoln on Prosperity

As always, whenever we encounter a RW parable, rest assured it's complete bullshit. Just lift the rock and look closer, then watch the bugs scramble.

Do yourself a favor if you ever want to improve your piss-poor reputation around here: Conduct a bit of research before pontificating your never-ending partisan nonsense. Thanks for playing, and see you next time you get caught in your near-daily dose of hate-based idiocy.

And i'm supposed to give a shit what a lil' wet behind the ears lil' pissant like you thinks?

You call me a moron, and accuse me of hate based?

Guarantee you wouldn't talk that shit to my face, youngin'!

Bwaahaahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaaaaa!

Yeah it is funny considering how you once admitted to vandalizing a young woman's car over a code pink sticker and then turned tail and ran before she came back. LOL

Then later tried to claim that the father taught you that you should respect other people's property. LOL

Talk about a contradiction.

 

[drsmith1072]

Tax the job creators (the rich) if it will help with the deficit. But dont do it when you are asking the job creators (the rich) to create jobs.

If it is raining out and a man is fixing your leaking roof, would you consider it the right time to ask him to FIRST fix the broken leg on the chair in your living room?

The point that the right wingers still aren't getting is that the job creators had the taxcuts and haven't created jobs with them and the reasons rightwingers gave for the job creators not doingtheir job will still exist even if their taxcuts are estended, so the job creators will still feel justified in maintaining the status quo and not creating jobs.

To use your analogy,

It's raining out and the man who is supposed to be working on your leaking roof isn't but he says if you don't fire him for not doing his job with the money you already gave him then he will get to it after you extend his contract and give him more money. The broken leg on the chair is of no real importance because if he won't fix your roof so why even bother to ask him to fix your chair?

You still insist on this meme despite being shown numerous times it is not true.
Tell me, what would persuade you that it is true?

It hasn't been SHOWN, you and other hacks CLAIMING it is not true is not SHOWING that it is not true.

Thanks for the spin but the fact remains that the taxcuts are here and the "job creators" haven't used them to create the jobs that the right is claim the "job creators" WILL create IF the taxcuts are extended. So since the taxcuts are here already why haven't the "job creators" already created the jobs since they already have the taxcuts??

This thread is all about the taxcuts and everything the right claims extended them will do but the reality is that the taxcuts haven't accomplished those goals and they are already here. So what will change after they are extended?

 

[Wicked Jester]

I never said you made the claim, you ignorant hack....I clearly asked you in that post what doing away with the cuts would accomplish...Why are you so affraid to answer the fucking question?

And yes, talk to any business owner who's business is struggling and ask if those cuts aren't helping him/her to stay afloat when we have a business climate that obviously has no confidence in the politicians knowing what the fuck they are doing, and that main politician is Barack Obama.....Seriously, how can you be so fucking foolish?

Now, ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS!

Otherwise, simply get off the thread....You're not getting away with your circular BS...If you don't have guts enough to answer questions, there is no use trying to have a conversation with your obviously clueless ass.

Yes, The tax cuts helped create jobs under Bush, and yes, those tax cuts are now helping to save jobs. It's helping businesses ride the failed storm known as this lame duck president, administration, and dem controlled congress....Bottom line, just because it has to be said to you over and over again, the main reason no jobs are being created is there is no confidence in the three above mentioned entities. If you had a fucking clue, you'd understand it!

Christ, it's liking dealing with a fucking ten year old!

 

[Wicked Jester]

Lincoln didn't say those things at all... Moron.

Presbytarian Rev. William J.H. Boetcker said them in 1916.

snopes.com: Abraham Lincoln on Prosperity

As always, whenever we encounter a RW parable, rest assured it's complete bullshit. Just lift the rock and look closer, then watch the bugs scramble.

Do yourself a favor if you ever want to improve your piss-poor reputation around here: Conduct a bit of research before pontificating your never-ending partisan nonsense. Thanks for playing, and see you next time you get caught in your near-daily dose of hate-based idiocy.

And i'm supposed to give a shit what a lil' wet behind the ears lil' pissant like you thinks?

You call me a moron, and accuse me of hate based?

Guarantee you wouldn't talk that shit to my face, youngin'!

Bwaahaahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahaaaaa!

Yeah it is funny considering how you once admitted to vandalizing a young woman's car over a code pink sticker and then turned tail and ran before she came back. LOL

Then later tried to claim that the father taught you that you should respect other people's property. LOL

Talk about a contradiction.

Got proof!....Mr. I'm a doctor?...Remember when you tried to claim you were a doctor. But themn were forced to admit that you're just going to x-ray tech school....Remember that?

LMAO!

Now, quit deflecting and start answering questions!