Ted Cruz wants to increase H-1B visas from 65,000 to 325,000 annually

[The Rabbi]

...H1b visas are for illiterate Mexican peasants? Wow, who knew?

Don't look now, but the conversation had taken a turn towards overall immigration issues, not just the H1B visas mentioned in the OP.

And, within the narrow domain of H1B visas...

Why should we import tech-folk when we should be growing our own right here, from amongst our own, to reduce unemployment?

We should be doing lots of things. But the fact is we do not have enough high tech workers to fill those jobs, so we import them. If we dont issue H1b visas the companies will hire those people anyway and station them in Canada, Ireland, or on a ship in the ocean. There is no issue of American jobs, except that if companies cannot get the skills they need they cannot grow and create other jobs.

Yes, that is the Standard Argument in favor of H1B.

Trouble is, it never ends.

We never make the investment in our own people.

If we are to reverse that trend, clearly, a different approach is indicated.

We arent making "investments" in education? On what planet is this true?

 

[Kondor3]

...There are neither finite resources...

Tell that to the millions of Americans who cannot afford a house or a car or enough to eat or to send their kids to decent schools and such.

...nor jobs.

Tell that to the millions of American workers displaced by NAFTA and off-shoring of jobs to Asian slave-markets, and to the millions displaced by cheap Illegal Alien labor in the trades and in our remaining manufacturing base, or whose wages have been suppressed and whose standard of living have been eroded by same.

Neither one of those examples proves that their are finite jobs or resources.
There are people without electricity. Does that mean electricity is finite?

Understood. Disagree. The scope and scale of those examples is the 10,000-pound elephant in the room, which reinforces the argument I served-up earlier.

 

[Kondor3]

...H1b visas are for illiterate Mexican peasants? Wow, who knew?

Don't look now, but the conversation had taken a turn towards overall immigration issues, not just the H1B visas mentioned in the OP.

And, within the narrow domain of H1B visas...

Why should we import tech-folk when we should be growing our own right here, from amongst our own, to reduce unemployment?

We should be doing lots of things. But the fact is we do not have enough high tech workers to fill those jobs, so we import them. If we dont issue H1b visas the companies will hire those people anyway and station them in Canada, Ireland, or on a ship in the ocean. There is no issue of American jobs, except that if companies cannot get the skills they need they cannot grow and create other jobs.

Yes, that is the Standard Argument in favor of H1B.

Trouble is, it never ends.

We never make the investment in our own people.

If we are to reverse that trend, clearly, a different approach is indicated.

We arent making "investments" in education? On what planet is this true?

I did not say we are not investing in education.

I said that we need to do more, to grow our own pool of talent, rather than going to the outside, on the scale that we do.

The investment that we are making is clearly insufficient if we continue to need to go to the outside, on the scale that we do.

 

[The Rabbi]

...There are neither finite resources...

Tell that to the millions of Americans who cannot afford a house or a car or enough to eat or to send their kids to decent schools and such.

...nor jobs.

Tell that to the millions of American workers displaced by NAFTA and off-shoring of jobs to Asian slave-markets, and to the millions displaced by cheap Illegal Alien labor in the trades and in our remaining manufacturing base, or whose wages have been suppressed and whose standard of living have been eroded by same.

Neither one of those examples proves that their are finite jobs or resources.
There are people without electricity. Does that mean electricity is finite?

Understood. Disagree. The scope and scale of those examples is the 10,000-pound elephant in the room, which reinforces the argument I served-up earlier.

You disagree that the fact that some people dont have something indicates it is finite? How stupid are you? There is no 10000 pound elephant in the room. ANother meaningless catchphrase.

 

[The Rabbi]

...H1b visas are for illiterate Mexican peasants? Wow, who knew?

Don't look now, but the conversation had taken a turn towards overall immigration issues, not just the H1B visas mentioned in the OP.

And, within the narrow domain of H1B visas...

Why should we import tech-folk when we should be growing our own right here, from amongst our own, to reduce unemployment?

We should be doing lots of things. But the fact is we do not have enough high tech workers to fill those jobs, so we import them. If we dont issue H1b visas the companies will hire those people anyway and station them in Canada, Ireland, or on a ship in the ocean. There is no issue of American jobs, except that if companies cannot get the skills they need they cannot grow and create other jobs.

Yes, that is the Standard Argument in favor of H1B.

Trouble is, it never ends.

We never make the investment in our own people.

If we are to reverse that trend, clearly, a different approach is indicated.

We arent making "investments" in education? On what planet is this true?

I did not say we are not investing in education.

I said that we need to do more, to grow our own pool of talent, rather than going to the outside, on the scale that we do.

The investment that we are making is clearly insufficient if we continue to need to go to the outside, on the scale that we do.

We need to do lots of things.
But that doesnt solve the immediate problem of tech companies not having enough qualified people.

 

[rdean]

...H1b visas are for illiterate Mexican peasants? Wow, who knew?

Don't look now, but the conversation had taken a turn towards overall immigration issues, not just the H1B visas mentioned in the OP.

And, within the narrow domain of H1B visas...

Why should we import tech-folk when we should be growing our own right here, from amongst our own, to reduce unemployment?

We should be doing lots of things. But the fact is we do not have enough high tech workers to fill those jobs, so we import them. If we dont issue H1b visas the companies will hire those people anyway and station them in Canada, Ireland, or on a ship in the ocean. There is no issue of American jobs, except that if companies cannot get the skills they need they cannot grow and create other jobs.

Yes, that is the Standard Argument in favor of H1B.

Trouble is, it never ends.

We never make the investment in our own people.

If we are to reverse that trend, clearly, a different approach is indicated.

We arent making "investments" in education? On what planet is this true?

Education is for snobs. Said Rick Santorum to a wildly cheering GOP crowd.

 

[Toro]

...There are neither finite resources...

Tell that to the millions of Americans who cannot afford a house or a car or enough to eat or to send their kids to decent schools and such.

...nor jobs.

Tell that to the millions of American workers displaced by NAFTA and off-shoring of jobs to Asian slave-markets, and to the millions displaced by cheap Illegal Alien labor in the trades and in our remaining manufacturing base, or whose wages have been suppressed and standard of living eroded by same.

There are not finite jobs.

There are more people in America working than ever before.

Civilian Employment - FRED - St. Louis Fed

 

[charwin95]

I support legal immigration. I support Ted Cruze on increasing visas to full naturalization.

I have met too many people in this country, who have worked here for 10 years or more, and have gotten education in the US, and worked an honest job, and lived an honest life, and are still stuck on work permits.

It should not be this way.

Additionally, I have no problem with immigration in general (again provided it's legal). It's not governments duty, to protect "your job". It's not "your job". When you open your own business, then it's "your job".

Until then, it's the companies job, and you have equal right to try and earn that job, as anyone else.

You want to get paid more? Make yourself more valuable. Make yourself more useful. Do that jobs that other people can't do. Or do the same job, faster, or better than other people do.

But this modern American attitude of "I don't want to have to compete with anyone for my job, so I can be lazy and still earn $100K a year"... Sorry. I don't buy it.

I love immigrants, and I think more people the better. If it wasn't for immigration, America would be declining, because the modern American is too busy trying to make more money, than having a family. Without immigration, the population would be shrinking. That's pathetic. Too busy looking at porn, and not busy enough growing a family.

I want everyone to succeed, not just Americans. That would include immigrants. We need these people you claim to hate. Ted Cruze is right on the money.

Ten years as work permits that's kind of hard to believe. How in the world an educated individual let that happen?
Your saying that it's because they've been here 10 years they should get citizenship automatically? I'm not sure how Ted Cruz ca help you.
I don't hate immigrants. I know lots of lots of business owners from low tech to high tech and I don't believe for a fact that we have a big labor shortage. I blame business owners that uses this h1 creating the demand because of cheap labor.

 

[Toro]

We never make the investment in our own people.

We spend more money on education and training than anyone in the world.

Study US Education Spending Tops Global List

 

[paulitician]

Oh boy, looks like another Neocon fraud. Just what the GOP needs. Cause they don't have enough frauds already. Yikes.

 

[charwin95]

The chances that you know more about H1-B than someone who works in the tech industry is nil. obviously.

Clearly you are wrong.

You know you're making a fool of yourself, don't you?

You claim to know all about the H1b visa program because you work next door to a guy who holds one and you think I'm making a fool of myself?
You have made claims almost every post that are wrong, stupid, foolish and just plain dumb. The uS did not cut off immigration in 1930. H1b visa holders are not paid substantially less. And sitting next to someone's office doesnt qualify you for shit.

Rabbi I knew lots of business owners and at least 2 of them has several h1 people. H1 are paid substantially less. That I can tell you is 100% correct. Otherwise what is the point. That part you already lost.
I mentioned to you in other post that the economy is booming but you flatly in denial. Let me repeat what I said in 2014 I added 80 employees then 2015 I added147 more employees 80% of which are high paying job. You completely rejected the economy is booming. Then you blame Obama with your miserable life. And here you are supporting foreign workers taking American jobs.

You have more money in your bank account so the economy is booming, right?
Yeah your personal experience is pretty much irrelevant. The statistics tell a different story. Household income is flat. Household wealth is flat. Consumer spending is down. Business investment is down.
Where is the boom?

Are you waiting for the sonic boom? Look around you kid. New car sales are up, shortage inventory of new and old house, building construction are up etc. My instruments sales are up in last 2.5 years is an indication that economy is booming. Not just because of personal experience. My instruments is an indicator that the economy is booming. I know lots of lots of business owners and about at least 85% are happy with the economy where we are going.
Unless you are at the bottom of the barrel then you don't know nothing but ignorance then blame everyone with your miserable life selling nuts and bolts.

 

[Toro]

I mentioned to you in other post that the economy is booming but you flatly in denial. Let me repeat what I said in 2014 I added 80 employees then 2015 I added147 more employees 80% of which are high paying job. You completely rejected the economy is booming. Then you blame Obama with your miserable life. And here you are supporting foreign workers taking American jobs.

I had an H visa for 8 years. I had the original 3-year, then extended for another 3-years, and extended it twice more for a year when I was in the Green Card process.

I literally spent thousands of dollars out of pocket in the process, and probably know more about it than everyone here combined. One has to pay at least 90% of the prevailing wage in the industry in which the candidate is employed. There may be ways around it but I was paid above the prevailing wage.

I will also tell you that companies such as Microsoft, which is a big user of H visas, has shifted production offshore because of the cap on H visas. That's economic activity that has gone elsewhere that otherwise would have stayed here.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Whenever I go to work on a job site I'm surrounded by people with brown faces.

Ah! So you're racist.

 

[SwimExpert]

Whenever I go to work on a job site I'm surrounded by people with brown faces.

Ah! So you're racist.

Or, maybe just working a dirty job.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Polling for the GOP field, at current, is essentially showing the same clusterfuck that it showed four years ago at this time, only in this case, instead of a candidate like Romney, who was perpetually stuck at right around 23%, no one is really getting much over 18%, because there are just so many of them.

The point I made on a number of other threads still remains: it is very, very possible that no clear frontronner will emerge, even as late as the mega-primary date of March 15th, 2016, when Florida, Ohio and Missouri (all WTA states) will be up for grabs. With Florida looking to be a major battleground between Bush (Jeb) and Rubio and if Kasich announces, then he has an easy shot of taking his home state of Ohio, that leaves Missouri as prime pickings, especially for another candidate from the South, like Huckabee or Graham (don't laugh, it could happen, but I consider it highly unlikely). Santorum, a Pennyslvanian, swept Missouri in 2012, in lieu of the lack of a Southern candidate, but in 2008, McCain just barely edged out Huckabee by about 1 point. In 2000, Bush easily won Missouri, with about the same topline percentage and the same margin as Santorum won in 2012. In 1996, Buchanan won Missouri - back then, it was a set of caucuses and not a primary. So, the pattern we see in Missouri is that it tends to go with the GOP candidate it considers the more Conservative of the bunch for that particular year. In 2000, Bush was considered more Conservative than McCain, but in 2008, McCain was considered more Conservative than Romney. Ditto in 2012, where Santorum was considered more Conservative than Romney. And there is no doubt that Buchanan was far more to the Right than Bob Dole in 1996, a year where Dole swept almost all of the primaries save Missouri, New Hampshire (also for Buchanan), the Louisiana Caucuses (also for Buchanan) but not the Louisiana primaries, and Arizona (Forbes won in Arizona).

So, it's very possible that March 15th brings the GOP no front-runner at all.

And there there is the 2nd-3rd tier candidate factor: A Carly Fiorina type of candidate can play the role of spoiler, especially in a huge state like California, rich in delegates.Ben Carson could maybe take Michigan or tilt it to a candidate like Rand Paul or Ted Cruz quite unexpectedly. Even to Marco Rubio.

So, right now, in my book all bets are off. Ted Cruz is raking in money and is the odds-on favorite in Texas, regardless of the Bush family standing there. Rand Paul is very likely, in spite of a sputtering campaign, to win his home state of Kentucky and should do well in Tennessee, also in very Libertarian-leaning states like the Dakotas, Montana, Alaska and Vermont, maybe Washington State or Oregon - not enough to win a nomination, but enough to keep anyone else from getting a majority of delegates.

More than ever before in my lifetime, I see a REAL possibility of a hung convention on the GOP side.

On the DEM side, it's already decided. More than 2 weeks after Chafee's official announcement and 6 weeks after Sander's announcement, Hillary is still towering over the other three declared DEM candidates, at between 57-60% nationally among Democrats and in most states, excepting New Hampshire. She is the odds-on favorite to sweep the DEM primaries quite easily and it would take a disaster of epic proportions to upend her campaign this time, seeing that there is no Obama-like figure to challenger her on the Democratic side. In a way, we are seeing a 1976-1980 redux, but this time, on the Democratic side, 2008-2016.

I am personally wondering if the first two GOP debates will help to winnow the field, or if will muddy it up even more.

Researching, I see that this is the most crowded GOP field of SERIOUS candidates since 1940, where Thomas Dewey went into the convention having won the most primaries (5 of 12 primaries in that year), but dark-horse Wendell Willkie was nominated on essentially the SEVENTH ballot (called the "6th ballot, after shifts"):

Republican Party presidential primaries 1940 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

1940 Republican National Convention - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There were more candidates than in 1940 in 2012, but not all of them were really serious candidates and by the time the primaries came along, a number of them had dropped out.

blahblahblahbullshitbullshit.
No one cares what you think

Keep babbling, fake Rabbi. I realize that numbers and facts confuse you terribly.

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We know already you dont understand English. This is a thread about Cruz wanting to increase the number of H1b visas, not a thread about whether the GOP will end up in a deadlock at the convention. And that wont happen anyway, shitbag.
Stay on topic of shut the fuck up.

The posting landed in the wrong thread, I have corrected that.

Any other things you want to scream and rant about, you yellow pustule-filled hyperpartisan pissant fuckbag?



Oh, and you have written a lot of nonsensical shit about this visa. Typical fake Rabbi.

You fuck up and it's my fault. Typical.

I love your persecution complex. Fun. It's a message board. Get over yourself.

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[rdean]

We never make the investment in our own people.

We spend more money on education and training than anyone in the world.

Study US Education Spending Tops Global List

Good. And look how Blue States benefit from funding education.

 

[SwimExpert]

blahblahblahbullshitbullshit.
No one cares what you think

Keep babbling, fake Rabbi. I realize that numbers and facts confuse you terribly.

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We know already you dont understand English. This is a thread about Cruz wanting to increase the number of H1b visas, not a thread about whether the GOP will end up in a deadlock at the convention. And that wont happen anyway, shitbag.
Stay on topic of shut the fuck up.

The posting landed in the wrong thread, I have corrected that.

Any other things you want to scream and rant about, you yellow pustule-filled hyperpartisan pissant fuckbag?



Oh, and you have written a lot of nonsensical shit about this visa. Typical fake Rabbi.

You fuck up and it's my fault. Typical.

I love your persecution complex. Fun. It's a message board. Get over yourself.

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Don't mind Rabbi. He's getting his ass handed to him from every direction. He's dosed up to the eyeballs on butthurt and and impotence.

 

[The Rabbi]

blahblahblahbullshitbullshit.
No one cares what you think

Keep babbling, fake Rabbi. I realize that numbers and facts confuse you terribly.

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We know already you dont understand English. This is a thread about Cruz wanting to increase the number of H1b visas, not a thread about whether the GOP will end up in a deadlock at the convention. And that wont happen anyway, shitbag.
Stay on topic of shut the fuck up.

The posting landed in the wrong thread, I have corrected that.

Any other things you want to scream and rant about, you yellow pustule-filled hyperpartisan pissant fuckbag?



Oh, and you have written a lot of nonsensical shit about this visa. Typical fake Rabbi.

You fuck up and it's my fault. Typical.

I love your persecution complex. Fun. It's a message board. Get over yourself.

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You're just eaten up with hate, arent you?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Oh boy, looks like another Neocon fraud. Just what the GOP needs. Cause they don't have enough frauds already. Yikes.

Rachel Dolezal anyone, anyone at all?

 

[The Rabbi]

I mentioned to you in other post that the economy is booming but you flatly in denial. Let me repeat what I said in 2014 I added 80 employees then 2015 I added147 more employees 80% of which are high paying job. You completely rejected the economy is booming. Then you blame Obama with your miserable life. And here you are supporting foreign workers taking American jobs.

I had an H visa for 8 years. I had the original 3-year, then extended for another 3-years, and extended it twice more for a year when I was in the Green Card process.

I literally spent thousands of dollars out of pocket in the process, and probably know more about it than everyone here combined. One has to pay at least 90% of the prevailing wage in the industry in which the candidate is employed. There may be ways around it but I was paid above the prevailing wage.

I will also tell you that companies such as Microsoft, which is a big user of H visas, has shifted production offshore because of the cap on H visas. That's economic activity that has gone elsewhere that otherwise would have stayed here.

My brother in law works for now Google but did work for Microsoft for 20 years. He reports the same. The company did all kinds of things to get those people to work for them, even stashing them offshore. It's nonsense.