Tell me liberals .. Why is it racist to ask for an ID for voting but not for

[hadit]

Some barrier. How hard was it to get a fake ID so you could get into clubs as a kid?

Good Bubba, you agree, it's easy to gt a fake ID so why worry about this non existent someone going to the poll and stealing an election, one vote at a time??? lol

It's one step closer to ensuring it doesn't happen. At least you agree it's not hard to get an ID, so now we'll stop hearing about some non-existent undue burden. Good to hear it.

Conservatives/GOP ALWAYS for a larger, more intrusive Gov't when not needed

Mind readers of the world, unite!

Weird how GOP voter laws coincide with the goal of right wingers voter suppression efforts right?

Weird how a lot of things coincide. Do you really want to open that door?

 

[Dad2three]

Strawman Bubba, but since you bring it up, how about taking your gun to the NRA convention? lol

Uh, lots of people are taking guns to the NRA convention. That's what it's all about.

Working guns prohibited at NRA convention | MSNBC


NRA Annual Meeting: No Guns Allowed

NRA Annual Meeting No Guns Allowed Josh Sugarmann

You contradict yourself. Did you not post this gem from the NRA website?

During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law"

NRA conventioneers can pack heat in Music City Center

On its website, the NRA warns:


"During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law. Bridgestone Arena prohibits the possession of firearms. When carrying your firearm, remember to follow all federal, state and local laws."


2015 NRA Annual Meeting Exhibits



But Bridgestone Arena is off-limits. Spokeswoman Alexis Whitman said that guns are not allowed in Bridgestone for any event, including the NRA-sponsored concert scheduled for Saturday night. The nearby Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum also prohibits guns.

For NRA Music City Center to allow guns Bridgestone won t

"During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law". Are you really attempting to appear so obtuse that you pretend the NRA won't allow guns into its event when it clearly will? The places they prohibit CCW are places that have rules against it, so the NRA, being a law-abiding, respectful organization, abides by them. Amazing, isn't it?

Talk about obtuse Bubba, DOESN'T refute what I posted. Weird you can't see that???

 

[Dad2three]

Good Bubba, you agree, it's easy to gt a fake ID so why worry about this non existent someone going to the poll and stealing an election, one vote at a time??? lol

It's one step closer to ensuring it doesn't happen. At least you agree it's not hard to get an ID, so now we'll stop hearing about some non-existent undue burden. Good to hear it.

Conservatives/GOP ALWAYS for a larger, more intrusive Gov't when not needed

Mind readers of the world, unite!

Weird how GOP voter laws coincide with the goal of right wingers voter suppression efforts right?

Weird how a lot of things coincide. Do you really want to open that door?

You mean with the GOP's voter suppression laws? Or the FACT that voter ID's are a "fix" for a problem that simply doesn't exist Bubba?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?

I've been ask for ID even in a state that does not require it...

That was a fun story, little old guy.

 

[Moonglow]

getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?

I've been ask for ID even in a state that does not require it...

That was a fun story, little old guy.

 

[hadit]

It's one step closer to ensuring it doesn't happen. At least you agree it's not hard to get an ID, so now we'll stop hearing about some non-existent undue burden. Good to hear it.

Conservatives/GOP ALWAYS for a larger, more intrusive Gov't when not needed

Mind readers of the world, unite!

Weird how GOP voter laws coincide with the goal of right wingers voter suppression efforts right?

Weird how a lot of things coincide. Do you really want to open that door?

You mean with the GOP's voter suppression laws? Or the FACT that voter ID's are a "fix" for a problem that simply doesn't exist Bubba?

You tell me, Cletus. So far, we've destroyed the whole "racist" angle, so what do you have left?

 

[hadit]

Uh, lots of people are taking guns to the NRA convention. That's what it's all about.

Working guns prohibited at NRA convention | MSNBC


NRA Annual Meeting: No Guns Allowed

NRA Annual Meeting No Guns Allowed Josh Sugarmann

You contradict yourself. Did you not post this gem from the NRA website?

During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law"

NRA conventioneers can pack heat in Music City Center

On its website, the NRA warns:


"During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law. Bridgestone Arena prohibits the possession of firearms. When carrying your firearm, remember to follow all federal, state and local laws."


2015 NRA Annual Meeting Exhibits



But Bridgestone Arena is off-limits. Spokeswoman Alexis Whitman said that guns are not allowed in Bridgestone for any event, including the NRA-sponsored concert scheduled for Saturday night. The nearby Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum also prohibits guns.

For NRA Music City Center to allow guns Bridgestone won t

"During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law". Are you really attempting to appear so obtuse that you pretend the NRA won't allow guns into its event when it clearly will? The places they prohibit CCW are places that have rules against it, so the NRA, being a law-abiding, respectful organization, abides by them. Amazing, isn't it?

Talk about obtuse Bubba, DOESN'T refute what I posted. Weird you can't see that???

I did refute it, several times. NRA convention goers are allowed to carry weapons everywhere except where a venue has rules against it. I found that in your own post, so how much more plain can it be? You're simply wrong.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, why not restrict voters since there is NO LOGICAL or reasonable expectation of any type of voter ID fraud going on right? Let's just put up hurdles, for no apparent reason and see IF they jump through the hoops. *shaking head*

Restricting voters to only those eligible to vote is a good thing. Most people understand that.

Which is NOT the purpose of the GOP voter restriction laws. Weird

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

OH state ID:
$8.50, good for 4 years. $2.125 per year.
Procedure and acceptable documentation:
ODPS BMV State Identification Card
ODPS BMV Acceptable Identification Documents
So much for the inane "undue burden" argument.

Sure Bubba, because it's NOT like the poor live right next to the DMV and can just pop over on their 3 martini lunch right?

Are you saying the poor cannot afford alcohol? And, the last time I checked, the DMV is not usually located in the ritzy parts of town.

Your argument has gone from being simply wrong (there is no racism if everyone is held to the same standard) to offensive (as if Hispanics and blacks are too intellectually or financially challenged to afford something that is free) to buffoonery at it's zenith (now, it's because they are blue collar workers by and large?).

A bit of advice "bubba"...quit while you are behind.

 

[candycorn]

I don't doubt the GOP's motive is to limit the number of minority voters.

I do doubt the minority voters are really trying if they can't get an ID to vote.

Yes, why not restrict voters since there is NO LOGICAL or reasonable expectation of any type of voter ID fraud going on right? Let's just put up hurdles, for no apparent reason and see IF they jump through the hoops. *shaking head*

Restricting voters to only those eligible to vote is a good thing. Most people understand that.

Which is NOT the purpose of the GOP voter restriction laws. Weird

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

Sure Bubba, and we all know EVERY public school has the same opportunity no matter where it's located. Equal?? lol *shaking head*

Draw a parallel from overcrowded classrooms to the inability to register to vote. Would you, please?

 

[candycorn]

Restricting voters to only those eligible to vote is a good thing. Most people understand that.

Which is NOT the purpose of the GOP voter restriction laws. Weird

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

OH state ID:
$8.50, good for 4 years. $2.125 per year.
Procedure and acceptable documentation:
ODPS BMV State Identification Card
ODPS BMV Acceptable Identification Documents
So much for the inane "undue burden" argument.

Sure Bubba, because it's NOT like the poor live right next to the DMV and can just pop over on their 3 martini lunch right?

And there it is. A prediction was made, tongue in cheek, that the next complaint would be how far people have to travel to vote. I didn't expect to see it be made real, at least not so fast. Now I'm just waiting for the second part to come true, a demand that poll workers go door to door, gathering ballots.

With voting by mail and absentee voting, they practically do that already. All the more reason the liberal position on this is BS.

 

[candycorn]

Yes, why not restrict voters since there is NO LOGICAL or reasonable expectation of any type of voter ID fraud going on right? Let's just put up hurdles, for no apparent reason and see IF they jump through the hoops. *shaking head*

Restricting voters to only those eligible to vote is a good thing. Most people understand that.

Which is NOT the purpose of the GOP voter restriction laws. Weird

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

Sure Bubba, and we all know EVERY public school has the same opportunity no matter where it's located. Equal?? lol *shaking head*

You will never get equal outcome, all you can do is provide equal opportunity. That's what this is.

We disagree on 98% of the issues but that is the best way I've heard it put so far.

 

[Dad2three]

Conservatives/GOP ALWAYS for a larger, more intrusive Gov't when not needed

Mind readers of the world, unite!

Weird how GOP voter laws coincide with the goal of right wingers voter suppression efforts right?

Weird how a lot of things coincide. Do you really want to open that door?

You mean with the GOP's voter suppression laws? Or the FACT that voter ID's are a "fix" for a problem that simply doesn't exist Bubba?

You tell me, Cletus. So far, we've destroyed the whole "racist" angle, so what do you have left?

Sure you have Bubba, and you probably believe that nonsense!

 

[Dad2three]

Working guns prohibited at NRA convention | MSNBC


NRA Annual Meeting: No Guns Allowed

NRA Annual Meeting No Guns Allowed Josh Sugarmann

You contradict yourself. Did you not post this gem from the NRA website?

During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law"

NRA conventioneers can pack heat in Music City Center

On its website, the NRA warns:


"During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law. Bridgestone Arena prohibits the possession of firearms. When carrying your firearm, remember to follow all federal, state and local laws."


2015 NRA Annual Meeting Exhibits



But Bridgestone Arena is off-limits. Spokeswoman Alexis Whitman said that guns are not allowed in Bridgestone for any event, including the NRA-sponsored concert scheduled for Saturday night. The nearby Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum also prohibits guns.

For NRA Music City Center to allow guns Bridgestone won t

"During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law". Are you really attempting to appear so obtuse that you pretend the NRA won't allow guns into its event when it clearly will? The places they prohibit CCW are places that have rules against it, so the NRA, being a law-abiding, respectful organization, abides by them. Amazing, isn't it?

Talk about obtuse Bubba, DOESN'T refute what I posted. Weird you can't see that???

I did refute it, several times. NRA convention goers are allowed to carry weapons everywhere except where a venue has rules against it. I found that in your own post, so how much more plain can it be? You're simply wrong.

" except where a venue has rules against it"

Thanks for agreeing

 

[Dad2three]

Restricting voters to only those eligible to vote is a good thing. Most people understand that.

Which is NOT the purpose of the GOP voter restriction laws. Weird

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

OH state ID:
$8.50, good for 4 years. $2.125 per year.
Procedure and acceptable documentation:
ODPS BMV State Identification Card
ODPS BMV Acceptable Identification Documents
So much for the inane "undue burden" argument.

Sure Bubba, because it's NOT like the poor live right next to the DMV and can just pop over on their 3 martini lunch right?

Are you saying the poor cannot afford alcohol? And, the last time I checked, the DMV is not usually located in the ritzy parts of town.

Your argument has gone from being simply wrong (there is no racism if everyone is held to the same standard) to offensive (as if Hispanics and blacks are too intellectually or financially challenged to afford something that is free) to buffoonery at it's zenith (now, it's because they are blue collar workers by and large?).

A bit of advice "bubba"...quit while you are behind.

Alcohol? What nonsense is that about?



Sorry Bubba, ANOTHER epic fail from the "moderate".
AGAIN


Are voting laws requiring photo IDs inherently racially discriminatory, as Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg maintained in her blistering dissent Saturday morning?


A team of politician scientists from Appalachian State, Texas Tech and the University of Florida took on that question for an article just published in Political Research Quarterly (h/t: Justin Levitt). Their conclusion is that the claims of proponents that they're just upholding the principle of ballot integrity can be discounted; the photo ID laws aim to disenfranchise Democratic voters; they cite findings that the raised cost of voting imposed by photo ID requires "falls overwhelmingly on minorities." In other words, the answer is yes.

How racism underlies voter ID laws the academics weigh in - LA Times


“Texas did not begin to demonstrate that the Bill’s discriminatory features were necessary to prevent fraud or to increase public confidence in the electoral process,” Ginsburg wrote in her dissent. What follows are the XX major points that she wrote:

1. This was a dispute about facts not fears. Unlike many other voting rights lawsuits, civil rights attorneys in this case did not sue without showing that there were real victims and harm. Ginsburg noted that important distinction writing that there had been a “full trial and resting on an extensive record from which the District Court found ballot-access discrimination by the State.”

2. But the Fifth Circuit Appeals Court ignored that.

3. Texas’ previous voter ID requirements are ample. Ginsburg noted that the state would not be left without any legal means to ensure eligible voters were getting ballots at polling places. “Texas need only reinstate the voter identification procedures it employed for 10 years (from 2003 to 2013) and in five federal elections.”


12 reasons Texas new voter ID law is racist - Salon.com

 

[Dad2three]

Which is NOT the purpose of the GOP voter restriction laws. Weird

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

OH state ID:
$8.50, good for 4 years. $2.125 per year.
Procedure and acceptable documentation:
ODPS BMV State Identification Card
ODPS BMV Acceptable Identification Documents
So much for the inane "undue burden" argument.

Sure Bubba, because it's NOT like the poor live right next to the DMV and can just pop over on their 3 martini lunch right?

And there it is. A prediction was made, tongue in cheek, that the next complaint would be how far people have to travel to vote. I didn't expect to see it be made real, at least not so fast. Now I'm just waiting for the second part to come true, a demand that poll workers go door to door, gathering ballots.

With voting by mail and absentee voting, they practically do that already. All the more reason the liberal position on this is BS.

Says the "moderate" lol

Why Voter ID Laws Aren’t Really about Fraud

Voter fraud generally rarely happens. When it does, election law experts say it happens more often through mail-in ballots than people impersonating eligible voters at the polls. An analysis by News21, a journalism project at Arizona State University, found 28 cases of voter fraud convictions since 2000. Of those, 14 percent involved absentee ballot fraud. Voter impersonation, the form of fraud that voter ID laws are designed to prevent, made up only 3.6 percent of those cases

Why Voter ID Laws Aren t Really about Fraud Government Elections Politics FRONTLINE PBS


Texas’ Republican attorney general and candidate for governor Greg Abbott doesn’t believe Texas’ redistricting discriminates against minorities.


It just discriminates against Democrats — who happen to be largely minorities, he admitted in a letter to the Department of Justice defending the state’s voting maps:

DOJ’s accusations of racial discrimination are baseless. In 2011, both houses of the Texas Legislature were controlled by large Republican majorities, and their redistricting decisions were designed to increase the Republican Party’s electoral prospects at the expense of the Democrats. It is perfectly constitutional for a Republican-controlled legislature to make partisan districting decisions, even if there are incidental effects on minority voters who support Democratic candidates.






Giving Romney Pennsylvania


It doesn’t get more blatant than what Pennsylvania’s House Republican Leader Mike Turzai said in June of 2012, as he listed the Republican state legislature’s accomplishments: “Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”



“I think we had a better election,” Pennsylvania’s GOP chairman Rob Gleason said in July. “Think about this: We cut Obama by 5 percent…I think Voter ID helped a bit in that.”


6 Other Times Republicans Admitted Voting Restrictions Are Just About Disenfranchising Democrats - Page 3 of 7 - The National Memo

 

[Dad2three]

Yes, why not restrict voters since there is NO LOGICAL or reasonable expectation of any type of voter ID fraud going on right? Let's just put up hurdles, for no apparent reason and see IF they jump through the hoops. *shaking head*

Restricting voters to only those eligible to vote is a good thing. Most people understand that.

Which is NOT the purpose of the GOP voter restriction laws. Weird

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

Sure Bubba, and we all know EVERY public school has the same opportunity no matter where it's located. Equal?? lol *shaking head*

Draw a parallel from overcrowded classrooms to the inability to register to vote. Would you, please?

Another strawman from the "moderate". Shocking

 

[candycorn]

Which is NOT the purpose of the GOP voter restriction laws. Weird

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

OH state ID:
$8.50, good for 4 years. $2.125 per year.
Procedure and acceptable documentation:
ODPS BMV State Identification Card
ODPS BMV Acceptable Identification Documents
So much for the inane "undue burden" argument.

Sure Bubba, because it's NOT like the poor live right next to the DMV and can just pop over on their 3 martini lunch right?

Are you saying the poor cannot afford alcohol? And, the last time I checked, the DMV is not usually located in the ritzy parts of town.

Your argument has gone from being simply wrong (there is no racism if everyone is held to the same standard) to offensive (as if Hispanics and blacks are too intellectually or financially challenged to afford something that is free) to buffoonery at it's zenith (now, it's because they are blue collar workers by and large?).

A bit of advice "bubba"...quit while you are behind.

Alcohol? What nonsense is that about?

You brought it up *3 martini lunch*

Sorry Bubba, ANOTHER epic fail from the "moderate".
AGAIN

You're becoming tiresome. You've been blown out of the water every time you've opened your mouth on this subject.

As a fellow liberal, I usually am in the market for other points of view from the left; Lord knows there are way too few on this board. But you've really gone off the deep end. I'm not sure what your particular strain of dementia is but cutting and pasting cherry-picked information is not helping your case. It's pretty much what lead us into Iraq if you recall...

And, yes, you too sound like a fucking idiot.

Time to put you on ignore <plink>.

 

[Dad2three]

Requiring an ID, and providing one free of charge, applies to all. It's about as equal as it gets.

OH state ID:
$8.50, good for 4 years. $2.125 per year.
Procedure and acceptable documentation:
ODPS BMV State Identification Card
ODPS BMV Acceptable Identification Documents
So much for the inane "undue burden" argument.

Sure Bubba, because it's NOT like the poor live right next to the DMV and can just pop over on their 3 martini lunch right?

Are you saying the poor cannot afford alcohol? And, the last time I checked, the DMV is not usually located in the ritzy parts of town.

Your argument has gone from being simply wrong (there is no racism if everyone is held to the same standard) to offensive (as if Hispanics and blacks are too intellectually or financially challenged to afford something that is free) to buffoonery at it's zenith (now, it's because they are blue collar workers by and large?).

A bit of advice "bubba"...quit while you are behind.

Alcohol? What nonsense is that about?

You brought it up *3 martini lunch*

Sorry Bubba, ANOTHER epic fail from the "moderate".
AGAIN

You're becoming tiresome. You've been blown out of the water every time you've opened your mouth on this subject.

As a fellow liberal, I usually am in the market for other points of view from the left; Lord knows there are way too few on this board. But you've really gone off the deep end. I'm not sure what your particular strain of dementia is but cutting and pasting cherry-picked information is not helping your case. It's pretty much what lead us into Iraq if you recall...

And, yes, you too sound like a fucking idiot.

Time to put you on ignore <plink>.

Don't know what sarcasm is with the 3 martini lunch bit when your poor Bubba? I'm shocked you are NEVER honest, from a "moderate" no less, lol


"fellow liberal;"

lmaorog

fukking moron

 

[M14 Shooter]

Working guns prohibited at NRA convention | MSNBC


NRA Annual Meeting: No Guns Allowed

NRA Annual Meeting No Guns Allowed Josh Sugarmann

You contradict yourself. Did you not post this gem from the NRA website?

During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law"

NRA conventioneers can pack heat in Music City Center

On its website, the NRA warns:


"During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law. Bridgestone Arena prohibits the possession of firearms. When carrying your firearm, remember to follow all federal, state and local laws."


2015 NRA Annual Meeting Exhibits



But Bridgestone Arena is off-limits. Spokeswoman Alexis Whitman said that guns are not allowed in Bridgestone for any event, including the NRA-sponsored concert scheduled for Saturday night. The nearby Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum also prohibits guns.

For NRA Music City Center to allow guns Bridgestone won t

"During the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits, lawfully carried firearms will be permitted in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law". Are you really attempting to appear so obtuse that you pretend the NRA won't allow guns into its event when it clearly will? The places they prohibit CCW are places that have rules against it, so the NRA, being a law-abiding, respectful organization, abides by them. Amazing, isn't it?

Talk about obtuse Bubba, DOESN'T refute what I posted. Weird you can't see that???

I did refute it, several times. NRA convention goers are allowed to carry weapons everywhere except where a venue has rules against it. I found that in your own post, so how much more plain can it be? You're simply wrong.

Liberals generally have to lie to make their points.
They hate it, but there's nothing they can do about it.

 

[thereisnospoon]

getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?

It isn't racist.
The opposition to voter ID is a creation of democrat operatives to gin up support for lib/progressive candidates.