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What about the handicapped? People who can't walk, or go to the store, or go to DMV? They have a right to vote.getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?
Meanwhile, an illegal ballot was cast, and you lost our right to vote, because the state had no way to tell that the guy that said he was you was not.No, because the same registrant cannot.vote twice.The registration process is meaningless unless you can positively ID the person claiming to be someone on the voter roll.Thats not an i.d. issue. Thats a municipal issue with the registration processBecause in the past DEAD people voted that is why. ILLEGALS have voted That is is whyNot sure why you need an i.d. to vote .
Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).
So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.
The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.
There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.
So when that happens: boom. Grievance, investigation, hopeful conviction.
Funny how you have the exact opposite stance on guns and background checks.Moreover, given the fact that incidents of 'voter fraud' are statistically nonexistent, there is no legal justification to place such an undue burden on the fundamental right to vote, where the responsibility rests solely with the state to produce the evidence of potential 'voter fraud,' as it's not the responsibility of the citizen voter to 'prove' he is innocent.
Simple, you upgrade the VRC to a photo ID. The poll worker looks at the ID then at the person's face and voila...if they match the person gets to vote. If not, provisional ballots, other forms of ID, etc... come into play.Folks, do you honestly believe in your hearts, that Sha Na Na and Tyrone is that bold and brave to stand in line for hours on end, to fraudulently vote for a candidate, they can neither spell or pronounce, just to get a democrat in office? I mean, this bullshit about voter fraud is enough to make a 2 year old scream, WTF? Requesting ID is not a crime and anyone making a damned big deal out of this shit, need to get a hobby, ie conservatives!!
I equate it to those people who drive a Prius or incessantly turn off things they are not using in the name of saving the earth. You're not doing anything that will prolong the earth. But...you are saving yourself some $$$ both in terms of not purchasing gas or kilowatt hours so why not do it anyway?
That is pretty much were I come down on ID laws. No major election will ever turn on fraud but why leave the possibility open? Those, in general, who favor such laws do so because the Democratic party enjoys a broad range of support from immigrants and they see this as a way of cutting into that support. I get that.
But the bottom line is that they want to do the right thing...for all the wrong reasons but it is still the right thing.
HOW will voter ID laws stop voter fraud that is non existent of voters impersonating others at the polls???
As for your "non existent" allegation....There is some level of fraud in every election. What that means is that there is some level of irregularity; whether intended or non intended. District lines change every so often, polling places change, and yes people do try to vote with expired credentials.
As stated there will never be a major election that turns on fraud.
My question to those who support absolutely zero barriers to voting is this: Why not insure that the process is as sterile as possible; that "one man, one vote" is enforced; just not hoped for?
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
In-person voter-impersonation fraud is rare. The database shows 207 cases of other types of fraud for every case of voter impersonation. “The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized. That's why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it,”
There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases.
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
VOTER ID LAWS HAS BEEN SHOWN TO RESTRICT VOTERS HOWEVER!!!
If I wanted to, I could present myself as person X at the polls tomorrow and vote (if there were an election)...true or false?
That's a really dumb post. How do they know which of you is you and which one is pretending to be you?Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .
Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).
So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.
The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.
There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.
Meanwhile, an illegal ballot was cast, and you lost our right to vote, because the state had no way to tell that the guy that said he was you was not.No, because the same registrant cannot.vote twice.The registration process is meaningless unless you can positively ID the person claiming to be someone on the voter roll.Thats not an i.d. issue. Thats a municipal issue with the registration processBecause in the past DEAD people voted that is why. ILLEGALS have voted That is is whyNot sure why you need an i.d. to vote .
Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).
So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.
The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.
There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.
So when that happens: boom. Grievance, investigation, hopeful conviction.
Thats a really dumb post. If someone pretended to be you, you would file a grievance and there would be an investigation.That's a really dumb post. How do they know which of you is you and which one is pretending to be you?Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .
Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).
So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.
The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.
There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.
Even dumber post.Thats a really dumb post. If someone pretended to be you, you would file a grievance and there would be an investigation.That's a really dumb post. How do they know which of you is you and which one is pretending to be you?Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .
Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).
So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.
The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.
There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.
My state House leader said voter ID laws ARE about suppressing the vote. Yes, this Republican did indeed let the cat out of the bag.
Turzai Voter ID Law Means Romney Can Win in PA PoliticsPA
That investigation would make someone a felon, which is the crime's deterrent in the first place.Even dumber post.Thats a really dumb post. If someone pretended to be you, you would file a grievance and there would be an investigation.That's a really dumb post. How do they know which of you is you and which one is pretending to be you?Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .
Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).
So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.
The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.
There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.
And an ID requirement would make the need for that investigation moot.
Which is that?Voter registration card works...I do. What if you dont have one?I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.
It doesn't in my state.
YET NOT ONE OF THE 37 STATES, ALL GOP LED, HAVE DONE THAT, IN FACT MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO VOTE! Weird right? Stop playing "moderate", your BS isn't flying, THERE IS AND HAS BEEN NO NEED FOR VOTER ID LAWS, NONE, as I've repeatedly shown you. The ONLY real reason is to suppress voters, which is what the GOP voter ID laws are about!!!
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN? THIS IS WHERE LOGIC COMES IN, SWING AN ELECTION ONE VOTE AT A TIME? LOL
YET NOT ONE OF THE 37 STATES, ALL GOP LED, HAVE DONE THAT, IN FACT MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO VOTE! Weird right? Stop playing "moderate", your BS isn't flying, THERE IS AND HAS BEEN NO NEED FOR VOTER ID LAWS, NONE, as I've repeatedly shown you. The ONLY real reason is to suppress voters, which is what the GOP voter ID laws are about!!!
I'll make a deal with you. Learn to use the quote function like a good little boy and I'll let you think you've shown me something. In point and fact, you've shown nothing. The total amount of fraud is not known from one election to another. Reliance upon self-reporting of negative factors is notoriously inaccurate. For example, SADD reports that 72% of students have tried alcohol by the end of high school. Anyone who has gone through a public high school can tell you that the figure is much closer to 95%. In some districts, it's near 100%. Where does the 72% come from? Self reporting by teens who are breaking the law.
Please try to wrap your head around the fact that if there is fraud in district X, it is in the official's best interest to either call it something else, or not report it all together.
Again, you haven't answered the question; why not make the process as sterile as possible?
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN? THIS IS WHERE LOGIC COMES IN, SWING AN ELECTION ONE VOTE AT A TIME? LOL
Perhaps I just want you to not vote. Perhaps there is a race on the ballot that is polling at 50/50 for county treasurer or something like that. Perhaps I'm known as John A. Doe and you're known as Johnny A. Doe and there is an honest mix-up at the polls. Perhaps I'm not registered and really want to vote.
Seriously, you're not helping yourself by refusing to engage in the conversation. In fact, you're actually highlighting the reasons why voting ID is a good idea.
As long as you ignore simple questions like "Why not have a sterile process when it's so easy to have a sterile process", I guess I'll play into your fantasy about my being a conservative hero.YET NOT ONE OF THE 37 STATES, ALL GOP LED, HAVE DONE THAT, IN FACT MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO VOTE! Weird right? Stop playing "moderate", your BS isn't flying, THERE IS AND HAS BEEN NO NEED FOR VOTER ID LAWS, NONE, as I've repeatedly shown you. The ONLY real reason is to suppress voters, which is what the GOP voter ID laws are about!!!
I'll make a deal with you. Learn to use the quote function like a good little boy and I'll let you think you've shown me something. In point and fact, you've shown nothing. The total amount of fraud is not known from one election to another. Reliance upon self-reporting of negative factors is notoriously inaccurate. For example, SADD reports that 72% of students have tried alcohol by the end of high school. Anyone who has gone through a public high school can tell you that the figure is much closer to 95%. In some districts, it's near 100%. Where does the 72% come from? Self reporting by teens who are breaking the law.
Please try to wrap your head around the fact that if there is fraud in district X, it is in the official's best interest to either call it something else, or not report it all together.
Again, you haven't answered the question; why not make the process as sterile as possible?
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN? THIS IS WHERE LOGIC COMES IN, SWING AN ELECTION ONE VOTE AT A TIME? LOL
Perhaps I just want you to not vote. Perhaps there is a race on the ballot that is polling at 50/50 for county treasurer or something like that. Perhaps I'm known as John A. Doe and you're known as Johnny A. Doe and there is an honest mix-up at the polls. Perhaps I'm not registered and really want to vote.
Seriously, you're not helping yourself by refusing to engage in the conversation. In fact, you're actually highlighting the reasons why voting ID is a good idea.
Got it, you'll pretend to be "moderate" still AS you fight for the GOP suppression laws. Shocking Bubba
So now you'll ignore LOGIC about why someone attempting to steal an election, one vote at a time is ridiculous! lol
YET NOT ONE OF THE 37 STATES, ALL GOP LED, HAVE DONE THAT, IN FACT MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO VOTE! Weird right? Stop playing "moderate", your BS isn't flying, THERE IS AND HAS BEEN NO NEED FOR VOTER ID LAWS, NONE, as I've repeatedly shown you. The ONLY real reason is to suppress voters, which is what the GOP voter ID laws are about!!!
I'll make a deal with you. Learn to use the quote function like a good little boy and I'll let you think you've shown me something. In point and fact, you've shown nothing. The total amount of fraud is not known from one election to another. Reliance upon self-reporting of negative factors is notoriously inaccurate. For example, SADD reports that 72% of students have tried alcohol by the end of high school. Anyone who has gone through a public high school can tell you that the figure is much closer to 95%. In some districts, it's near 100%. Where does the 72% come from? Self reporting by teens who are breaking the law.
Please try to wrap your head around the fact that if there is fraud in district X, it is in the official's best interest to either call it something else, or not report it all together.
Again, you haven't answered the question; why not make the process as sterile as possible?
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN? THIS IS WHERE LOGIC COMES IN, SWING AN ELECTION ONE VOTE AT A TIME? LOL
Perhaps I just want you to not vote. Perhaps there is a race on the ballot that is polling at 50/50 for county treasurer or something like that. Perhaps I'm known as John A. Doe and you're known as Johnny A. Doe and there is an honest mix-up at the polls. Perhaps I'm not registered and really want to vote.
Seriously, you're not helping yourself by refusing to engage in the conversation. In fact, you're actually highlighting the reasons why voting ID is a good idea.
Wow, another cut and paste....YET NOT ONE OF THE 37 STATES, ALL GOP LED, HAVE DONE THAT, IN FACT MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO VOTE! Weird right? Stop playing "moderate", your BS isn't flying, THERE IS AND HAS BEEN NO NEED FOR VOTER ID LAWS, NONE, as I've repeatedly shown you. The ONLY real reason is to suppress voters, which is what the GOP voter ID laws are about!!!
I'll make a deal with you. Learn to use the quote function like a good little boy and I'll let you think you've shown me something. In point and fact, you've shown nothing. The total amount of fraud is not known from one election to another. Reliance upon self-reporting of negative factors is notoriously inaccurate. For example, SADD reports that 72% of students have tried alcohol by the end of high school. Anyone who has gone through a public high school can tell you that the figure is much closer to 95%. In some districts, it's near 100%. Where does the 72% come from? Self reporting by teens who are breaking the law.
Please try to wrap your head around the fact that if there is fraud in district X, it is in the official's best interest to either call it something else, or not report it all together.
Again, you haven't answered the question; why not make the process as sterile as possible?
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN? THIS IS WHERE LOGIC COMES IN, SWING AN ELECTION ONE VOTE AT A TIME? LOL
Perhaps I just want you to not vote. Perhaps there is a race on the ballot that is polling at 50/50 for county treasurer or something like that. Perhaps I'm known as John A. Doe and you're known as Johnny A. Doe and there is an honest mix-up at the polls. Perhaps I'm not registered and really want to vote.
Seriously, you're not helping yourself by refusing to engage in the conversation. In fact, you're actually highlighting the reasons why voting ID is a good idea.
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
In an exhaustive public records search, reporters from the investigative reporting projecdt News21 sent thousands of requests to elections officers in all 50 states, asking for every case of fraudulent activity including registration fraud, absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, false election counts, campaign fraud, casting an ineligible vote, voting twice, voter impersonation fraud and intimidation.
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
"Our democracy is under siege from an enemy so small it could be hiding anywhere," joked Stephen Colbert.
Indeed, between 2000 and 2007, there were 32,299 UFO sightings in the United States, 352 deaths caused by lightning, but only nine cases of voter impersonation
Yet conservatives continue to hype the extremely rare occurrence of election fraud as if it were something that happens every day and is somehow responsible for the election of Obama and Democratic candidates across the map.
The Voter Fraud Fraud The Nation
As long as you ignore simple questions like "Why not have a sterile process when it's so easy to have a sterile process", I guess I'll play into your fantasy about my being a conservative hero.YET NOT ONE OF THE 37 STATES, ALL GOP LED, HAVE DONE THAT, IN FACT MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO VOTE! Weird right? Stop playing "moderate", your BS isn't flying, THERE IS AND HAS BEEN NO NEED FOR VOTER ID LAWS, NONE, as I've repeatedly shown you. The ONLY real reason is to suppress voters, which is what the GOP voter ID laws are about!!!
I'll make a deal with you. Learn to use the quote function like a good little boy and I'll let you think you've shown me something. In point and fact, you've shown nothing. The total amount of fraud is not known from one election to another. Reliance upon self-reporting of negative factors is notoriously inaccurate. For example, SADD reports that 72% of students have tried alcohol by the end of high school. Anyone who has gone through a public high school can tell you that the figure is much closer to 95%. In some districts, it's near 100%. Where does the 72% come from? Self reporting by teens who are breaking the law.
Please try to wrap your head around the fact that if there is fraud in district X, it is in the official's best interest to either call it something else, or not report it all together.
Again, you haven't answered the question; why not make the process as sterile as possible?
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT AGAIN? THIS IS WHERE LOGIC COMES IN, SWING AN ELECTION ONE VOTE AT A TIME? LOL
Perhaps I just want you to not vote. Perhaps there is a race on the ballot that is polling at 50/50 for county treasurer or something like that. Perhaps I'm known as John A. Doe and you're known as Johnny A. Doe and there is an honest mix-up at the polls. Perhaps I'm not registered and really want to vote.
Seriously, you're not helping yourself by refusing to engage in the conversation. In fact, you're actually highlighting the reasons why voting ID is a good idea.
Got it, you'll pretend to be "moderate" still AS you fight for the GOP suppression laws. Shocking Bubba
So now you'll ignore LOGIC about why someone attempting to steal an election, one vote at a time is ridiculous! lol
Nobody ever said that the GOP wasn't motivated by keeping people away from the polls dumbass...just like nobody can point out why this is "racist" when you're requiring 100% of all voters to present the same credentials.
Feel free to try.
