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getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?
Because the illegals could not vote without one.
They fixed that now illegals can get Driver Licenses.
WHY would someone risk a felony to vote? WHAT GAIN?? LOL
If you wingnutters didn't go with fear mongering and BS you'd have nothing!
Use some logic and reasoning.
Before it was not a big deal with the left for wanting Driver Licensees for illegals. Didn't hear a peep from Dems until voter ID Laws.
Repubs voted for ID laws all across the country.
Then the Dems movement got them Driver Licenses.
Plain as the nose on your face by connecting the dots.
getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?
Because the illegals could not vote without one.
They fixed that now illegals can get Driver Licenses.
WHY would someone risk a felony to vote? WHAT GAIN?? LOL
If you wingnutters didn't go with fear mongering and BS you'd have nothing!
Use some logic and reasoning.
Before it was not a big deal with the left for wanting Driver Licensees for illegals. Didn't hear a peep from Dems until voter ID Laws.
Repubs voted for ID laws all across the country.
Then the Dems movement got them Driver Licenses.
Plain as the nose on your face by connecting the dots.
Got it Bubba, YOU can't use reason and logic and instead try the rights usual false premises, distortions and lies. Shocking
Conservatives/GOP ALWAYS for a bigger, more intrusive Gov't where it's not needed. Weird
Yeah, we all know how law abiding illegals are.getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?
Because the illegals could not vote without one.
They fixed that now illegals can get Driver Licenses.
WHY would someone risk a felony to vote? WHAT GAIN?? LOL
If you wingnutters didn't go with fear mongering and BS you'd have nothing!
Got it, YOU can't explain why someone would risk a felony to vote when what 20% of eligible US voters vote in a good year? lol
Dishonest wingnutters!
I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant. They're criminal douchebags...who cares how they justify their criminal behavior, or why they do it? Certainly not me, and it has zero bearing on the fact that yes, ILLEGAL aliens commit FELONIES all the time, including voter fraud:
"More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010."
National Review
Do you think people who don't have gov't issued ids still don't have IDs that look like they're gov't issued?What IDs do citizens without a govt issued photo ID, use to do those things above?getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?
WILL YOU ACCEPT THOSE IDs that people can use to do All those things?
Good grief, you people really do have your heads in the sand.
DHS caseworkers don't even tell their customers when multiple cases come up under a single SS#. It's that common. They protect the people who are using the fake ones. Get real, dimwits. Maybe you should actually work for a while in fields that serve these populations you have these ridiculous, unrealistic, romanticized view of.
"Do you think people who don't have gov't issued ids still don't have IDs that look like they're gov't issued?"
So you agree, getting a ID is simply a waste and a way for conservatives/GOP to restrict LEGAL voters from voting. Thanks
Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation
Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote" (Goo Goo)
Irrelevant. Also interesting (and not surprising) to note that you're one of the "let's just give criminals whatever they want. It's useless to take a stand against crime" crowd.
Yeah, we all know how law abiding illegals are.Because the illegals could not vote without one.
They fixed that now illegals can get Driver Licenses.
WHY would someone risk a felony to vote? WHAT GAIN?? LOL
If you wingnutters didn't go with fear mongering and BS you'd have nothing!
Got it, YOU can't explain why someone would risk a felony to vote when what 20% of eligible US voters vote in a good year? lol
Dishonest wingnutters!
I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant. They're criminal douchebags...who cares how they justify their criminal behavior, or why they do it? Certainly not me, and it has zero bearing on the fact that yes, ILLEGAL aliens commit FELONIES all the time, including voter fraud:
"More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010."
National Review
MORE right wing mythology. Shocking
Political Scientist Michael Tesler: Study's Reliance On"Non-Citizens" Who Previously Reported That They Were Citizens "Raises Important Doubts About [The] Conclusions." Brown Universitypolitical scientist Michael Tesler questioned the study's "methodological challenges" in a blog in The Washington Post, such as the possibility that non-citizens may have misreported their citizenship status. Tesler noted that many self-reported non-citizens in 2012 reported being citizens in 2010, indicating a high rate of response error "which raises important doubts about their conclusions":
[Forty-one] percent of self-reported non-citizen voters in the 2012 CCES reported being citizens back in 2010. The table goes on to show that 71 percent of respondents, who said that they were both 2012 non-citizens and 2010 voters, had previously reported being citizens of the United States in the 2010 CCES. With the authors' extrapolations of the non-citizen voting population based on a small number of validated votes from self-reported non-citizens (N = 5), this high frequency of response error in non-citizenship status raises important doubts about their conclusions.
Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens voting - The Washington Post
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
Aug 11, 2012
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
Yeah, we all know how law abiding illegals are.Because the illegals could not vote without one.
They fixed that now illegals can get Driver Licenses.
WHY would someone risk a felony to vote? WHAT GAIN?? LOL
If you wingnutters didn't go with fear mongering and BS you'd have nothing!
Got it, YOU can't explain why someone would risk a felony to vote when what 20% of eligible US voters vote in a good year? lol
Dishonest wingnutters!
I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant. They're criminal douchebags...who cares how they justify their criminal behavior, or why they do it? Certainly not me, and it has zero bearing on the fact that yes, ILLEGAL aliens commit FELONIES all the time, including voter fraud:
"More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010."
National Review
MORE right wing mythology. Shocking
Political Scientist Michael Tesler: Study's Reliance On"Non-Citizens" Who Previously Reported That They Were Citizens "Raises Important Doubts About [The] Conclusions." Brown Universitypolitical scientist Michael Tesler questioned the study's "methodological challenges" in a blog in The Washington Post, such as the possibility that non-citizens may have misreported their citizenship status. Tesler noted that many self-reported non-citizens in 2012 reported being citizens in 2010, indicating a high rate of response error "which raises important doubts about their conclusions":
[Forty-one] percent of self-reported non-citizen voters in the 2012 CCES reported being citizens back in 2010. The table goes on to show that 71 percent of respondents, who said that they were both 2012 non-citizens and 2010 voters, had previously reported being citizens of the United States in the 2010 CCES. With the authors' extrapolations of the non-citizen voting population based on a small number of validated votes from self-reported non-citizens (N = 5), this high frequency of response error in non-citizenship status raises important doubts about their conclusions.
Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens voting - The Washington Post
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
Aug 11, 2012
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
Black people who have been victimized by the democrat party since Lincoln should be outraged that they are still assumed to be part of the democrat plantation in the 21st century. How in the world can elitist democrats claim that Black people are victimized because they are unable to obtain anything as basic to modern living as a photo I.D.? Democrats get away with it because smart rich poverty pimps still make a living convincing ordinary people in the greatest Country in the world that they are nothing but victims and they can never get ahead unless the democrat plantation cares for them.
Yeah, we all know how law abiding illegals are.WHY would someone risk a felony to vote? WHAT GAIN?? LOL
If you wingnutters didn't go with fear mongering and BS you'd have nothing!
Got it, YOU can't explain why someone would risk a felony to vote when what 20% of eligible US voters vote in a good year? lol
Dishonest wingnutters!
I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant. They're criminal douchebags...who cares how they justify their criminal behavior, or why they do it? Certainly not me, and it has zero bearing on the fact that yes, ILLEGAL aliens commit FELONIES all the time, including voter fraud:
"More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010."
National Review
MORE right wing mythology. Shocking
Political Scientist Michael Tesler: Study's Reliance On"Non-Citizens" Who Previously Reported That They Were Citizens "Raises Important Doubts About [The] Conclusions." Brown Universitypolitical scientist Michael Tesler questioned the study's "methodological challenges" in a blog in The Washington Post, such as the possibility that non-citizens may have misreported their citizenship status. Tesler noted that many self-reported non-citizens in 2012 reported being citizens in 2010, indicating a high rate of response error "which raises important doubts about their conclusions":
[Forty-one] percent of self-reported non-citizen voters in the 2012 CCES reported being citizens back in 2010. The table goes on to show that 71 percent of respondents, who said that they were both 2012 non-citizens and 2010 voters, had previously reported being citizens of the United States in the 2010 CCES. With the authors' extrapolations of the non-citizen voting population based on a small number of validated votes from self-reported non-citizens (N = 5), this high frequency of response error in non-citizenship status raises important doubts about their conclusions.
Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens voting - The Washington Post
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
Aug 11, 2012
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.Yeah, we all know how law abiding illegals are.WHY would someone risk a felony to vote? WHAT GAIN?? LOL
If you wingnutters didn't go with fear mongering and BS you'd have nothing!
Got it, YOU can't explain why someone would risk a felony to vote when what 20% of eligible US voters vote in a good year? lol
Dishonest wingnutters!
I didn't answer it because it's irrelevant. They're criminal douchebags...who cares how they justify their criminal behavior, or why they do it? Certainly not me, and it has zero bearing on the fact that yes, ILLEGAL aliens commit FELONIES all the time, including voter fraud:
"More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010."
National Review
MORE right wing mythology. Shocking
Political Scientist Michael Tesler: Study's Reliance On"Non-Citizens" Who Previously Reported That They Were Citizens "Raises Important Doubts About [The] Conclusions." Brown Universitypolitical scientist Michael Tesler questioned the study's "methodological challenges" in a blog in The Washington Post, such as the possibility that non-citizens may have misreported their citizenship status. Tesler noted that many self-reported non-citizens in 2012 reported being citizens in 2010, indicating a high rate of response error "which raises important doubts about their conclusions":
[Forty-one] percent of self-reported non-citizen voters in the 2012 CCES reported being citizens back in 2010. The table goes on to show that 71 percent of respondents, who said that they were both 2012 non-citizens and 2010 voters, had previously reported being citizens of the United States in the 2010 CCES. With the authors' extrapolations of the non-citizen voting population based on a small number of validated votes from self-reported non-citizens (N = 5), this high frequency of response error in non-citizenship status raises important doubts about their conclusions.
Methodological challenges affect study of non-citizens voting - The Washington Post
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
Aug 11, 2012
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
Gobble that propaganda.
After all...New York Times columnist Nate Cohn questions the study, lololol...
I do. What if you dont have one?I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.
What did they do before ID?Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .
So YOU can't walk in to the polling place and lie about being a registered voter OR say you are me and vote MY legal registration. The ONLY POSSIBLE reason not to require valid ID is so YOU can cheat the system.
I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.
Liberal logic. You wouldn't understand.getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?
Folks, do you honestly believe in your hearts, that Sha Na Na and Tyrone is that bold and brave to stand in line for hours on end, to fraudulently vote for a candidate, they can neither spell or pronounce, just to get a democrat in office? I mean, this bullshit about voter fraud is enough to make a 2 year old scream, WTF? Requesting ID is not a crime and anyone making a damned big deal out of this shit, need to get a hobby, ie conservatives!!
Folks, do you honestly believe in your hearts, that Sha Na Na and Tyrone is that bold and brave to stand in line for hours on end, to fraudulently vote for a candidate, they can neither spell or pronounce, just to get a democrat in office? I mean, this bullshit about voter fraud is enough to make a 2 year old scream, WTF? Requesting ID is not a crime and anyone making a damned big deal out of this shit, need to get a hobby, ie conservatives!!
I equate it to those people who drive a Prius or incessantly turn off things they are not using in the name of saving the earth. You're not doing anything that will prolong the earth. But...you are saving yourself some $$$ both in terms of not purchasing gas or kilowatt hours so why not do it anyway?
That is pretty much were I come down on ID laws. No major election will ever turn on fraud but why leave the possibility open? Those, in general, who favor such laws do so because the Democratic party enjoys a broad range of support from immigrants and they see this as a way of cutting into that support. I get that.
But the bottom line is that they want to do the right thing...for all the wrong reasons but it is still the right thing.
Simple, you upgrade the VRC to a photo ID. The poll worker looks at the ID then at the person's face and voila...if they match the person gets to vote. If not, provisional ballots, other forms of ID, etc... come into play.Folks, do you honestly believe in your hearts, that Sha Na Na and Tyrone is that bold and brave to stand in line for hours on end, to fraudulently vote for a candidate, they can neither spell or pronounce, just to get a democrat in office? I mean, this bullshit about voter fraud is enough to make a 2 year old scream, WTF? Requesting ID is not a crime and anyone making a damned big deal out of this shit, need to get a hobby, ie conservatives!!
I equate it to those people who drive a Prius or incessantly turn off things they are not using in the name of saving the earth. You're not doing anything that will prolong the earth. But...you are saving yourself some $$$ both in terms of not purchasing gas or kilowatt hours so why not do it anyway?
That is pretty much were I come down on ID laws. No major election will ever turn on fraud but why leave the possibility open? Those, in general, who favor such laws do so because the Democratic party enjoys a broad range of support from immigrants and they see this as a way of cutting into that support. I get that.
But the bottom line is that they want to do the right thing...for all the wrong reasons but it is still the right thing.
HOW will voter ID laws stop voter fraud that is non existent of voters impersonating others at the polls???
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
In-person voter-impersonation fraud is rare. The database shows 207 cases of other types of fraud for every case of voter impersonation. “The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized. That's why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it,”
There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases.
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
VOTER ID LAWS HAS BEEN SHOWN TO RESTRICT VOTERS HOWEVER!!!
Black people who have been victimized by the democrat party since Lincoln should be outraged that they are still assumed to be part of the democrat plantation in the 21st century. How in the world can elitist democrats claim that Black people are victimized because they are unable to obtain anything as basic to modern living as a photo I.D.? Democrats get away with it because smart rich poverty pimps still make a living convincing ordinary people in the greatest Country in the world that they are nothing but victims and they can never get ahead unless the democrat plantation cares for them.
So why don't these Blacks use their brains and vote for the party that has their best interests in mind - the Republican party? You'd think they'd want to get off the danged old plantation by now.
Simple, you upgrade the VRC to a photo ID. The poll worker looks at the ID then at the person's face and voila...if they match the person gets to vote. If not, provisional ballots, other forms of ID, etc... come into play.Folks, do you honestly believe in your hearts, that Sha Na Na and Tyrone is that bold and brave to stand in line for hours on end, to fraudulently vote for a candidate, they can neither spell or pronounce, just to get a democrat in office? I mean, this bullshit about voter fraud is enough to make a 2 year old scream, WTF? Requesting ID is not a crime and anyone making a damned big deal out of this shit, need to get a hobby, ie conservatives!!
I equate it to those people who drive a Prius or incessantly turn off things they are not using in the name of saving the earth. You're not doing anything that will prolong the earth. But...you are saving yourself some $$$ both in terms of not purchasing gas or kilowatt hours so why not do it anyway?
That is pretty much were I come down on ID laws. No major election will ever turn on fraud but why leave the possibility open? Those, in general, who favor such laws do so because the Democratic party enjoys a broad range of support from immigrants and they see this as a way of cutting into that support. I get that.
But the bottom line is that they want to do the right thing...for all the wrong reasons but it is still the right thing.
HOW will voter ID laws stop voter fraud that is non existent of voters impersonating others at the polls???
As for your "non existent" allegation....There is some level of fraud in every election. What that means is that there is some level of irregularity; whether intended or non intended. District lines change every so often, polling places change, and yes people do try to vote with expired credentials.
As stated there will never be a major election that turns on fraud.
My question to those who support absolutely zero barriers to voting is this: Why not insure that the process is as sterile as possible; that "one man, one vote" is enforced; just not hoped for?
A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
In-person voter-impersonation fraud is rare. The database shows 207 cases of other types of fraud for every case of voter impersonation. “The fraud that matters is the fraud that is organized. That's why voter impersonation is practically non-existent because it is difficult to do and it is difficult to pull people into conspiracies to do it,”
There is more fraud in absentee ballots and voter registration than any other categories. The analysis shows 491 cases of absentee ballot fraud and 400 cases of registration fraud. A required photo ID at the polls would not have prevented these cases.
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
VOTER ID LAWS HAS BEEN SHOWN TO RESTRICT VOTERS HOWEVER!!!
If I wanted to, I could present myself as person X at the polls tomorrow and vote (if there were an election)...true or false?
Voter registration card works...I do. What if you dont have one?I don't see a problem with asking for an ID when your ballot is cast.
Because unlike voting, applying for public assistance, receiving hospital care, riding on a plane, writing a check, going to a doctor, buying a beer, a car, or buying or renting a house aren't Constitutional rights.getting welfare, hospital care, ride on a plane, write a check, go to the doctors, buy a beer , buy a car, buy or rent a house, If the so called poor people cant afford an ID or a car to get the voting booths do they have those problems to go to the grocery store? Go to the doctors office or hospital?
That's a really dumb post. How do they know which of you is you and which one is pretending to be you?Not sure why you need an i.d. to vote .
Once your name is crossed off the list as having voted at the polling place, you cant vote again. (Unless the polling place is breaking the law).
So the i.d. thing isnt completely necessary because the registered voters would be able to file a grievance of their vote was taken and it wasnt them doing it.
The real problem is updating the registry to exclude deceased people and things like that.
There have been widespread studies on voter fraud. Not much is abrewing.
