Telling Differences between Reagan and Obama's Reaction to Jet's Being Shot Down

[SmedlyButler]

Reagan made a moving speech. He was an actor. That is what he was trained to do. Now lets get real about the so called tough guy and his response.
When the US tried to send ships into the area to recover remains and debris floating in the water the Russian's chased them away. Reagan did not stand up to them. The US tried to use Japanese flagged vessels to conduct search and recovery operations. They were turned away. The US had a US Congressman shot out of the sky and did not investigate the crash site because a belligerent country responsible for the shoot down told the US they weren't allowed to investigate the crash site. Tough guy Reagan folded his hand behind his back and walked away pouting like a little girl.
The only action Reagan took was to reveal the top secret GPS system we use today. He revealed it and gave it to the world to use free of charge.

roflmao, you are such a stupid ass liar.

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Immediately after the shootdown, South Korea, owner of the aircraft and therefore prime considerant for jurisdiction, designated the United States and Japan as search and salvage agents, thereby making it illegal for the Soviet Union to salvage the aircraft, providing it was found outside Soviet territorial waters. If it did so, the United States would now be legally entitled to use force against the Soviets, if necessary, to prevent retrieval of any part of the plane.[61]

On the same day as the shootdown, Rear Admiral William A. Cockell, Commander, Task Force 71, and a skeleton staff, taken by helicopter from Japan, embarked in USS Badger (stationed off Vladivostok at time of the flight)[62] on September 9 for further transfer to the destroyer USS Elliot to assume duties as Officer in Tactical Command (OTC) of the Search and Rescue (SAR) effort. Surface search began immediately and on into September 13. U.S. underwater operations began on September 14. On September 10, 1983, with no further hope of finding survivors, Task Force 71's mission had been reclassified from a "Search and Rescue" (SAR) operation to a "Search and Salvage" (SAS).[63]

On October 17, Rear Admiral William Cockell was relieved of command of the Task Force and its Search and Salvage mission, and Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti, Jr., was placed in command. First to be searched was a 60 square mile "high probability" area. This was unsuccessful. On October 21, Task Force 71 extended its search within coordinates encompassing, in an arc around the Soviet territorial boundaries north of Moneron Island, an area of 225 square miles (583 km2), reaching to the west of Sakhalin Island. This was the "large probability" area. The search areas were outside the 12-mile Soviet-claimed territorial boundaries. The northwestern-most point of the search touched the Soviet territorial boundary closest to the naval port of Nevelsk on Sakhalin. Nevelsk was 46 nautical miles from Moneron. This larger search was also unsuccessful.[63]

The vessels used in the search, for the Soviet side as well as the Allied side (U.S., South Korea, Japan) were both civilian trawlers, especially equipped for both the SAR and SAS operations, and various types of warships and support ships. The Soviet side also employed both civilian and military divers. The Soviet search, beginning on the day of the shootdown and continuing until November 6, was confined to the 60 square mile "high probability" area in international waters, and within Soviet territorial waters to the north of Moneron Island. The area within Soviet territorial waters was off-limits to the U.S., South Korean, and Japanese boats. From September 3 to 29, four ships from the Republic of Korea had joined in the search.

Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti Jr, commander of Task Force 71 of 7th Fleet would summarize the U.S. and Allied, and then the Soviets’, Search and Salvage operations:


“Not since the search for the hydrogen bomb lost off Palomares, Spain, has the U.S. Navy undertaken a search effort of the magnitude or import of the search for the wreckage of KAL Flight 007.”


“Within six days of the downing of KAL 007, the Soviets had deployed six ships to the general crash site area. Over the next 8 weeks of observation by U.S. naval units this number grew to a daily average of 19 Soviet naval, naval-associated and commercial (but undoubtedly naval-subordinated) ships in the Search and Salvage (SAS) area. The number of Soviet ships in the SAS area over this period ranged from a minimum of six to a maximum of thirty-two and included at least forty-eight different ships comprising forty different ship classes.”[64]

These missions met with interference by the Soviets,[65] in violation of the 1972 Incident at Sea agreement, and included false flag and fake light signals, sending an armed boarding party to threaten to board a U.S.-chartered Japanese auxiliary vessel (blocked by U.S. warship interposition), interfering with a helicopter coming off the USS Elliot (7 Sept.), attempted ramming of rigs used by the South Koreans in their quadrant search, hazardous maneuvering of the Gavril Sarychev and near-collision with the USS Callaghan (September 15, 18), removing U.S. sonars, setting false pingers in deep international waters, sending Backfire bombers armed with air-to-surface nuclear-armed missiles to threaten U.S. naval units, criss-crossing in front of U.S. combatant vessels (October 26), cutting and attempted cutting of moorings of Japanese auxiliary vessels, particularly the Kaiko Maru III, and radar lock-ons by a Soviet Kara-class cruiser, the Petropavlovsk, and a Kashin-class destroyer, the Odarennyy, targeting U.S. naval vessels. USS Towers, escorting USS Conserver, experienced all of the above interference and was involved in a near-collision with the Odarennyy (September 23–27).[66][67]

According to the ICAO: "The location of the main wreckage was not determined... the approximate position was

46°34′N 141°17′E, which was in international waters." This point is about 41 miles (66 km) from Moneron Island, about 45 miles (72 km) from the shore of Sakhalin and 33 miles (53 km) from the point of attack.[68]

Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti Jr, commander of Task Force 71 of 7th Fleet, believed the search for KAL 007 in international waters to have been a search in the wrong place and assessed:[69]


"Had TF [task force] 71 been permitted to search without restriction imposed by claimed territorial waters, the aircraft stood a good chance of having been found. No wreckage of KAL 007 was found. However, the operation established, with a 95% or above confidence level, that the wreckage, or any significant portion of the aircraft, does not lie within the probability area outside the 12 nautical mile area claimed by the Soviets as their territorial limit."[35]

At a hearing of the ICAO on September 15, 1983, J. Lynn Helms, the head of the Federal Aviation Administration, stated:[5] "The U.S.S.R. has refused to permit search and rescue units from other countries to enter Soviet territorial waters to search for the remains of KAL 007. Moreover, the Soviet Union has blocked access to the likely crash site and has refused to cooperate with other interested parties, to ensure prompt recovery of all technical equipment, wreckage and other material."

We did a huge search, one of our largest and all in spite of repeated Soviet attempts to run us off and they FAILED just like your lies FAIL.

Lol, maybe you should go back to your day job.

Camp must have read your article. He summarized it very nicely.
It seems you're the one with reading comprehension problems.
I remember the incident well. Reagan was "all hat and no cattle".

 

[AceRothstein]

Yeah, some people just cant grasp the need to have facts behind them before making claims or accusations. Imagine that.

Exactly. What is the point of this thread now that you are admitting that we need to have facts before making claims or accusations?

The two points I made, dipshit.

1) we have a different importance on such incidents when we know there are a lot of Americans on board such flights. These are international incidents that affect us all and we shouldn't be so provincial in our reactions.

2) Obama sees this as a tragedy which means he sees it as something that was fated and inevitable based on, apparently, how he views Russian behavior. Reagan put the blame squarely on the Russians and held them responsible. He had to deal with a closed nation that we knew little of internally, while Obama has the direct knowledge that comes from todays international communications. Hell there is a video of the flight and the separatists have already admitted to shooting it down.

Reagan acted once he knew what happened and who did it, so why doesn't Obama?

But I have a question; why do ideological libtards like you constantly need people to spoon feed obvious facts to them?

Reagan didn't act at all. He said something 4 days after we knew the Soviets shot down KAL 007. We still don't know for sure who shot down MH 17. It hasn't even been 24 hours since it was shot down.

Why do conservatards invent their own "facts" and continue to peddle them when they have shown to be lies?

 

[Camp]

roflmao, you are such a stupid ass liar.

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



We did a huge search, one of our largest and all in spite of repeated Soviet attempts to run us off and they FAILED just like your lies FAIL.

Lol, maybe you should go back to your day job.

Your an idiot. You posted a long report on how the US NAVY searched outside of the crash site and hence found nothing. It also gives great detail of how the Soviet's refused to give access to the crash site and prevented all ships from entering the crash site.

Lol, you fucking retard, no one has the right by international law to INVADE another countries territorial waters to conduct a search.

lolololol, please go back to your overpass home, troll.

I said the Soviet's ran us off the search site. You posted a report that quoted a 1972 international agreement that gave us authority to search the zone. The Soviet's ignored it and ran us off. It is in the report you posted. You claimed that the Soviet's failed to run us off. The report you posted gives detail on how they did in fact run us off.
Now you are back peddling and claiming that if we searched the area it would have been an invasion, and you, like Reagan choose to ignore the international laws that would have made it legal and not an invasion. Reagan didn't think using the diplomatic and economic tools at his disposal were worth using. He folded his hands behind his back a walked away in defeat, just like he did with Beirut and a dozen other attacks on America during his era.

 

[AceRothstein]

Exactly. What is the point of this thread now that you are admitting that we need to have facts before making claims or accusations?

Look at your OP. You started this thread on assumptions, not confirmed facts. When that was pointed out you justified your assumptions as stuff everyone should know. Make up your mind.

Known facts as of this moment.

1) Malaysian flight was shot down.

2) Ukrainian rebels in east Ukraine claimed responsibility for shooting down what they thought was a Ukrainian government transport. When they found out it was a Malaysian flight, they pulled the statement.

3) The Russians have been supplying training and LEADING the rebels. They have their own specialists in the Ukraine posing as Ukrainians and operating the most advanced weapon systems like anti-aircraft systems.

4) It is very likely that Russian specialists did the shoot down and if it wasn't them it was people they trained; known FACT.

All adds up to the Russians responsibility, dumbass

Let's make sure we have solid evidence before making claims and accusations. Your hero Reagan waited 4 days when we knew immediately that the Soviets shot down KAL 007.

 

[JimBowie1958]

1983, 241 US service men killed in Lebanon, Reagan did -0-, except appoint a committee to "investgate".

Things were done off the books.

None of the Hezbollah commanders responsible are alive today.

1985 Beirut car bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were other target specific attacks that had zero collateral damage but executed by ground personnel from covert positions. But the nature of such successful operations is that few ever ever hear of them.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Look at your OP. You started this thread on assumptions, not confirmed facts. When that was pointed out you justified your assumptions as stuff everyone should know. Make up your mind.

Known facts as of this moment.

1) Malaysian flight was shot down.

2) Ukrainian rebels in east Ukraine claimed responsibility for shooting down what they thought was a Ukrainian government transport. When they found out it was a Malaysian flight, they pulled the statement.

3) The Russians have been supplying training and LEADING the rebels. They have their own specialists in the Ukraine posing as Ukrainians and operating the most advanced weapon systems like anti-aircraft systems.

4) It is very likely that Russian specialists did the shoot down and if it wasn't them it was people they trained; known FACT.

All adds up to the Russians responsibility, dumbass

Let's make sure we have solid evidence before making claims and accusations. Your hero Reagan waited 4 days when we knew immediately that the Soviets shot down KAL 007.

Only a libtard would regard this as anything but solid evidence.

What do you want, Putin to send Obama a telegram bragging he personally sent the order?

roflmao

 

[JimBowie1958]

Your an idiot. You posted a long report on how the US NAVY searched outside of the crash site and hence found nothing. It also gives great detail of how the Soviet's refused to give access to the crash site and prevented all ships from entering the crash site.

Lol, you fucking retard, no one has the right by international law to INVADE another countries territorial waters to conduct a search.

lolololol, please go back to your overpass home, troll.

I said the Soviet's ran us off the search site. You posted a report that quoted a 1972 international agreement that gave us authority to search the zone. The Soviet's ignored it and ran us off. It is in the report you posted. You claimed that the Soviet's failed to run us off. The report you posted gives detail on how they did in fact run us off.
Now you are back peddling and claiming that if we searched the area it would have been an invasion, and you, like Reagan choose to ignore the international laws that would have made it legal and not an invasion. Reagan didn't think using the diplomatic and economic tools at his disposal were worth using. He folded his hands behind his back a walked away in defeat, just like he did with Beirut and a dozen other attacks on America during his era.

You are a fucking liar. WE NEVER tried to enter Soviet territorial waters, so they never 'ran us off', dip shit. The Soviets failed to run us out of international waters, big difference, apparently too big for your pea brain to handle.

There were two areas in consideration; the Russian territorial waters where the shooting actually happened and where the plane actually went down, and only known to the RUSSIANS. The second area was where the authorities projected the flight most likely went down in international waters where we searched.

Please, keep displaying your stupidity and dishonesty for the whole fucking planet, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Exactly. What is the point of this thread now that you are admitting that we need to have facts before making claims or accusations?

The two points I made, dipshit.

1) we have a different importance on such incidents when we know there are a lot of Americans on board such flights. These are international incidents that affect us all and we shouldn't be so provincial in our reactions.

2) Obama sees this as a tragedy which means he sees it as something that was fated and inevitable based on, apparently, how he views Russian behavior. Reagan put the blame squarely on the Russians and held them responsible. He had to deal with a closed nation that we knew little of internally, while Obama has the direct knowledge that comes from todays international communications. Hell there is a video of the flight and the separatists have already admitted to shooting it down.

Reagan acted once he knew what happened and who did it, so why doesn't Obama?

But I have a question; why do ideological libtards like you constantly need people to spoon feed obvious facts to them?

Reagan didn't act at all. He said something 4 days after we knew the Soviets shot down KAL 007. We still don't know for sure who shot down MH 17. It hasn't even been 24 hours since it was shot down.

Why do conservatards invent their own "facts" and continue to peddle them when they have shown to be lies?

lol, you are an idiot or an ideologue, but that's splittin hairs.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Reagan made a moving speech. He was an actor. That is what he was trained to do. Now lets get real about the so called tough guy and his response.
When the US tried to send ships into the area to recover remains and debris floating in the water the Russian's chased them away. Reagan did not stand up to them. The US tried to use Japanese flagged vessels to conduct search and recovery operations. They were turned away. The US had a US Congressman shot out of the sky and did not investigate the crash site because a belligerent country responsible for the shoot down told the US they weren't allowed to investigate the crash site. Tough guy Reagan folded his hand behind his back and walked away pouting like a little girl.
The only action Reagan took was to reveal the top secret GPS system we use today. He revealed it and gave it to the world to use free of charge.

roflmao, you are such a stupid ass liar.

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Immediately after the shootdown, South Korea, owner of the aircraft and therefore prime considerant for jurisdiction, designated the United States and Japan as search and salvage agents, thereby making it illegal for the Soviet Union to salvage the aircraft, providing it was found outside Soviet territorial waters. If it did so, the United States would now be legally entitled to use force against the Soviets, if necessary, to prevent retrieval of any part of the plane.[61]

On the same day as the shootdown, Rear Admiral William A. Cockell, Commander, Task Force 71, and a skeleton staff, taken by helicopter from Japan, embarked in USS Badger (stationed off Vladivostok at time of the flight)[62] on September 9 for further transfer to the destroyer USS Elliot to assume duties as Officer in Tactical Command (OTC) of the Search and Rescue (SAR) effort. Surface search began immediately and on into September 13. U.S. underwater operations began on September 14. On September 10, 1983, with no further hope of finding survivors, Task Force 71's mission had been reclassified from a "Search and Rescue" (SAR) operation to a "Search and Salvage" (SAS).[63]

On October 17, Rear Admiral William Cockell was relieved of command of the Task Force and its Search and Salvage mission, and Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti, Jr., was placed in command. First to be searched was a 60 square mile "high probability" area. This was unsuccessful. On October 21, Task Force 71 extended its search within coordinates encompassing, in an arc around the Soviet territorial boundaries north of Moneron Island, an area of 225 square miles (583 km2), reaching to the west of Sakhalin Island. This was the "large probability" area. The search areas were outside the 12-mile Soviet-claimed territorial boundaries. The northwestern-most point of the search touched the Soviet territorial boundary closest to the naval port of Nevelsk on Sakhalin. Nevelsk was 46 nautical miles from Moneron. This larger search was also unsuccessful.[63]

The vessels used in the search, for the Soviet side as well as the Allied side (U.S., South Korea, Japan) were both civilian trawlers, especially equipped for both the SAR and SAS operations, and various types of warships and support ships. The Soviet side also employed both civilian and military divers. The Soviet search, beginning on the day of the shootdown and continuing until November 6, was confined to the 60 square mile "high probability" area in international waters, and within Soviet territorial waters to the north of Moneron Island. The area within Soviet territorial waters was off-limits to the U.S., South Korean, and Japanese boats. From September 3 to 29, four ships from the Republic of Korea had joined in the search.

Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti Jr, commander of Task Force 71 of 7th Fleet would summarize the U.S. and Allied, and then the Soviets’, Search and Salvage operations:


“Not since the search for the hydrogen bomb lost off Palomares, Spain, has the U.S. Navy undertaken a search effort of the magnitude or import of the search for the wreckage of KAL Flight 007.”


“Within six days of the downing of KAL 007, the Soviets had deployed six ships to the general crash site area. Over the next 8 weeks of observation by U.S. naval units this number grew to a daily average of 19 Soviet naval, naval-associated and commercial (but undoubtedly naval-subordinated) ships in the Search and Salvage (SAS) area. The number of Soviet ships in the SAS area over this period ranged from a minimum of six to a maximum of thirty-two and included at least forty-eight different ships comprising forty different ship classes.”[64]

These missions met with interference by the Soviets,[65] in violation of the 1972 Incident at Sea agreement, and included false flag and fake light signals, sending an armed boarding party to threaten to board a U.S.-chartered Japanese auxiliary vessel (blocked by U.S. warship interposition), interfering with a helicopter coming off the USS Elliot (7 Sept.), attempted ramming of rigs used by the South Koreans in their quadrant search, hazardous maneuvering of the Gavril Sarychev and near-collision with the USS Callaghan (September 15, 18), removing U.S. sonars, setting false pingers in deep international waters, sending Backfire bombers armed with air-to-surface nuclear-armed missiles to threaten U.S. naval units, criss-crossing in front of U.S. combatant vessels (October 26), cutting and attempted cutting of moorings of Japanese auxiliary vessels, particularly the Kaiko Maru III, and radar lock-ons by a Soviet Kara-class cruiser, the Petropavlovsk, and a Kashin-class destroyer, the Odarennyy, targeting U.S. naval vessels. USS Towers, escorting USS Conserver, experienced all of the above interference and was involved in a near-collision with the Odarennyy (September 23–27).[66][67]

According to the ICAO: "The location of the main wreckage was not determined... the approximate position was

46°34′N 141°17′E, which was in international waters." This point is about 41 miles (66 km) from Moneron Island, about 45 miles (72 km) from the shore of Sakhalin and 33 miles (53 km) from the point of attack.[68]

Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti Jr, commander of Task Force 71 of 7th Fleet, believed the search for KAL 007 in international waters to have been a search in the wrong place and assessed:[69]


"Had TF [task force] 71 been permitted to search without restriction imposed by claimed territorial waters, the aircraft stood a good chance of having been found. No wreckage of KAL 007 was found. However, the operation established, with a 95% or above confidence level, that the wreckage, or any significant portion of the aircraft, does not lie within the probability area outside the 12 nautical mile area claimed by the Soviets as their territorial limit."[35]

At a hearing of the ICAO on September 15, 1983, J. Lynn Helms, the head of the Federal Aviation Administration, stated:[5] "The U.S.S.R. has refused to permit search and rescue units from other countries to enter Soviet territorial waters to search for the remains of KAL 007. Moreover, the Soviet Union has blocked access to the likely crash site and has refused to cooperate with other interested parties, to ensure prompt recovery of all technical equipment, wreckage and other material."

We did a huge search, one of our largest and all in spite of repeated Soviet attempts to run us off and they FAILED just like your lies FAIL.

Lol, maybe you should go back to your day job.

Camp must have read your article. He summarized it very nicely.
It seems you're the one with reading comprehension problems.
I remember the incident well. Reagan was "all hat and no cattle".

lol, a high five from another libtard who produces no facts, no reason, just blablablahs as though it means something.

roflmao

 

[JimBowie1958]

It has been claimed Obama ok'd the attack, and Putin's gang in the Ukraine are offering access to the crash site. Putin's gang here in the US are now trying to distance themselves from their KGB hero.

I seriously doubt that Obama OK'd this attack. Anyone that suggests such a thing is either a moron or a provocateur.

obama OK'd nothing. No one would bother asking him, or telling him. World leaders do not generally contact preschools to get the okay of toddlers playing with their blocks.

lol, true, but it is amazing what the libtards choose to believe.

I gave them all the relevant facts about the KAL 700 flight, and they still say Reagan did nothing, lolololol

Can there be a better illustration of how willfully STUPID these idiots are?

 

[AceRothstein]

The two points I made, dipshit.

1) we have a different importance on such incidents when we know there are a lot of Americans on board such flights. These are international incidents that affect us all and we shouldn't be so provincial in our reactions.

2) Obama sees this as a tragedy which means he sees it as something that was fated and inevitable based on, apparently, how he views Russian behavior. Reagan put the blame squarely on the Russians and held them responsible. He had to deal with a closed nation that we knew little of internally, while Obama has the direct knowledge that comes from todays international communications. Hell there is a video of the flight and the separatists have already admitted to shooting it down.

Reagan acted once he knew what happened and who did it, so why doesn't Obama?

But I have a question; why do ideological libtards like you constantly need people to spoon feed obvious facts to them?

Reagan didn't act at all. He said something 4 days after we knew the Soviets shot down KAL 007. We still don't know for sure who shot down MH 17. It hasn't even been 24 hours since it was shot down.

Why do conservatards invent their own "facts" and continue to peddle them when they have shown to be lies?

lol, you are an idiot or an ideologue, but that's splittin hairs.

LOL at you calling someone else an ideologue when you've contradicted yourself multiple times in one thread.

 

[SmedlyButler]

1983, 241 US service men killed in Lebanon, Reagan did -0-, except appoint a committee to "investgate".

Things were done off the books.

None of the Hezbollah commanders responsible are alive today.

1985 Beirut car bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were other target specific attacks that had zero collateral damage but executed by ground personnel from covert positions. But the nature of such successful operations is that few ever ever hear of them.

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

 

[Katzndogz]

obama speaks for 40 seconds about what a tragedy this is then goes fundraising. Putin calls for a cease fire.

Putin Urges Ukraine Cease-Fire After Plane Attack - ABC News

Russia immediately took the black boxes into their custody.

The US state department gave fashion advice.

Amidst Plane Attack Chaos, State Dept. Spox Tweets Out Fashion Column

It isn't that the US government is out of control. There is no control. The purpose of our governing body is now to make money for the DNC and has no other purpose.

 

[Peach]

Well, the two points you have made are both confusing if not wrong. The aircraft KAL 007 shoot down was not an American aircraft. It was Korean. The second point you make indicates you know for sure that the Russian government was responsible. That isn't known at this time. Are you claiming Pres. Obama had knowledge of this at the time of the speech?

It has been claimed Obama ok'd the attack, and Putin's gang in the Ukraine are offering access to the crash site. Putin's gang here in the US are now trying to distance themselves from their KGB hero.

I seriously doubt that Obama OK'd this attack. Anyone that suggests such a thing is either a moron or a provocateur.

Then you & I agree, Putin cannot be trusted. His claim that Ukraine is responsible even if the pro Russia rebels fired the rocket is hogwash.

 

[SmedlyButler]

P.S. Or are you bragging that Reagan was responsible for this terror act. I don't get it, or you.


Quote:
On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

 

[dilloduck]

It has been claimed Obama ok'd the attack, and Putin's gang in the Ukraine are offering access to the crash site. Putin's gang here in the US are now trying to distance themselves from their KGB hero.

I seriously doubt that Obama OK'd this attack. Anyone that suggests such a thing is either a moron or a provocateur.

Then you & I agree, Putin cannot be trusted. His claim that Ukraine is responsible even if the pro Russia rebels fired the rocket is hogwash.

Then why did Obama trust him to disarm Assad's chemical weapons ?

 

[Peach]

1983, 241 US service men killed in Lebanon, Reagan did -0-, except appoint a committee to "investgate".

Things were done off the books.

None of the Hezbollah commanders responsible are alive today.

1985 Beirut car bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were other target specific attacks that had zero collateral damage but executed by ground personnel from covert positions. But the nature of such successful operations is that few ever ever hear of them.

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

The Islamic terrorists claim the US engineered the retaliation, the US never claimed responsibity however.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Reagan didn't act at all. He said something 4 days after we knew the Soviets shot down KAL 007. We still don't know for sure who shot down MH 17. It hasn't even been 24 hours since it was shot down.

Why do conservatards invent their own "facts" and continue to peddle them when they have shown to be lies?

lol, you are an idiot or an ideologue, but that's splittin hairs.

LOL at you calling someone else an ideologue when you've contradicted yourself multiple times in one thread.

Bullshit, prove it.

The record is clear and your spin is not going to work, fruit loop

 

[JimBowie1958]

1983, 241 US service men killed in Lebanon, Reagan did -0-, except appoint a committee to "investgate".

Things were done off the books.

None of the Hezbollah commanders responsible are alive today.

1985 Beirut car bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were other target specific attacks that had zero collateral damage but executed by ground personnel from covert positions. But the nature of such successful operations is that few ever ever hear of them.

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

And more self incriminating evidence that libtards are indeed morons.

 

[JimBowie1958]

obama speaks for 40 seconds about what a tragedy this is then goes fundraising. Putin calls for a cease fire.

Putin Urges Ukraine Cease-Fire After Plane Attack - ABC News

Russia immediately took the black boxes into their custody.

The US state department gave fashion advice.

Amidst Plane Attack Chaos, State Dept. Spox Tweets Out Fashion Column

It isn't that the US government is out of control. There is no control. The purpose of our governing body is now to make money for the DNC and has no other purpose.

Reagan brings down the Soviet Empire; Obama gives fashion tips, lolol.

Libtards cant see a difference!

roflmao