Telling Differences between Reagan and Obama's Reaction to Jet's Being Shot Down

[JimBowie1958]

It has been claimed Obama ok'd the attack, and Putin's gang in the Ukraine are offering access to the crash site. Putin's gang here in the US are now trying to distance themselves from their KGB hero.

I seriously doubt that Obama OK'd this attack. Anyone that suggests such a thing is either a moron or a provocateur.

Then you & I agree, Putin cannot be trusted. His claim that Ukraine is responsible even if the pro Russia rebels fired the rocket is hogwash.

Putin can be trusted as long as he is in rifle range.

That's about it.

But Putin on a horse is far more macho than Barry on a bike, so he does have a few good points.

 

[JimBowie1958]

P.S. Or are you bragging that Reagan was responsible for this terror act. I don't get it, or you.


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On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

Nor do you understand what an act of terror is, you flipping idiot.

 

[SmedlyButler]

You posted the "facts". (You know, the article you posted) The "facts" that Camp's post was a good summary of?

Some people are factually challenged. You seem to be challenged even by the nature of facts themslves.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Things were done off the books.

None of the Hezbollah commanders responsible are alive today.

1985 Beirut car bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were other target specific attacks that had zero collateral damage but executed by ground personnel from covert positions. But the nature of such successful operations is that few ever ever hear of them.

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

The Islamic terrorists claim the US engineered the retaliation, the US never claimed responsibity however.

We never claim responsibility for successful covert actions, else they wouldn't remain covert, now would they?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We all know how Putin defers to Obama. The elephant in the room is that Putin HAD to clear this with Obama prior to shoot down. There's no way Putin would not inform Obama prior to the incident which can only mean Obama approved it

 

[JimBowie1958]

You posted the "facts". (You know, the article you posted) The "facts" that Camp's post was a good summary of?

Some people are factually challenged. You seem to be challenged even by the nature of facts themslves.

Dumbass, what you quoted as a good response to my post was my own fucking post.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...n-to-jet-s-being-shot-down-3.html#post9464397

Reagan made a moving speech. He was an actor. That is what he was trained to do. Now lets get real about the so called tough guy and his response.
When the US tried to send ships into the area to recover remains and debris floating in the water the Russian's chased them away. Reagan did not stand up to them. The US tried to use Japanese flagged vessels to conduct search and recovery operations. They were turned away. The US had a US Congressman shot out of the sky and did not investigate the crash site because a belligerent country responsible for the shoot down told the US they weren't allowed to investigate the crash site. Tough guy Reagan folded his hand behind his back and walked away pouting like a little girl.
The only action Reagan took was to reveal the top secret GPS system we use today. He revealed it and gave it to the world to use free of charge.

roflmao, you are such a stupid ass liar.

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Immediately after the shootdown, South Korea, owner of the aircraft and therefore prime considerant for jurisdiction, designated the United States and Japan as search and salvage agents, thereby making it illegal for the Soviet Union to salvage the aircraft, providing it was found outside Soviet territorial waters. If it did so, the United States would now be legally entitled to use force against the Soviets, if necessary, to prevent retrieval of any part of the plane.[61]

On the same day as the shootdown, Rear Admiral William A. Cockell, Commander, Task Force 71, and a skeleton staff, taken by helicopter from Japan, embarked in USS Badger (stationed off Vladivostok at time of the flight)[62] on September 9 for further transfer to the destroyer USS Elliot to assume duties as Officer in Tactical Command (OTC) of the Search and Rescue (SAR) effort. Surface search began immediately and on into September 13. U.S. underwater operations began on September 14. On September 10, 1983, with no further hope of finding survivors, Task Force 71's mission had been reclassified from a "Search and Rescue" (SAR) operation to a "Search and Salvage" (SAS).[63]

On October 17, Rear Admiral William Cockell was relieved of command of the Task Force and its Search and Salvage mission, and Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti, Jr., was placed in command. First to be searched was a 60 square mile "high probability" area. This was unsuccessful. On October 21, Task Force 71 extended its search within coordinates encompassing, in an arc around the Soviet territorial boundaries north of Moneron Island, an area of 225 square miles (583 km2), reaching to the west of Sakhalin Island. This was the "large probability" area. The search areas were outside the 12-mile Soviet-claimed territorial boundaries. The northwestern-most point of the search touched the Soviet territorial boundary closest to the naval port of Nevelsk on Sakhalin. Nevelsk was 46 nautical miles from Moneron. This larger search was also unsuccessful.[63]

The vessels used in the search, for the Soviet side as well as the Allied side (U.S., South Korea, Japan) were both civilian trawlers, especially equipped for both the SAR and SAS operations, and various types of warships and support ships. The Soviet side also employed both civilian and military divers. The Soviet search, beginning on the day of the shootdown and continuing until November 6, was confined to the 60 square mile "high probability" area in international waters, and within Soviet territorial waters to the north of Moneron Island. The area within Soviet territorial waters was off-limits to the U.S., South Korean, and Japanese boats. From September 3 to 29, four ships from the Republic of Korea had joined in the search.

Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti Jr, commander of Task Force 71 of 7th Fleet would summarize the U.S. and Allied, and then the Soviets’, Search and Salvage operations:


“Not since the search for the hydrogen bomb lost off Palomares, Spain, has the U.S. Navy undertaken a search effort of the magnitude or import of the search for the wreckage of KAL Flight 007.”


“Within six days of the downing of KAL 007, the Soviets had deployed six ships to the general crash site area. Over the next 8 weeks of observation by U.S. naval units this number grew to a daily average of 19 Soviet naval, naval-associated and commercial (but undoubtedly naval-subordinated) ships in the Search and Salvage (SAS) area. The number of Soviet ships in the SAS area over this period ranged from a minimum of six to a maximum of thirty-two and included at least forty-eight different ships comprising forty different ship classes.”[64]

These missions met with interference by the Soviets,[65] in violation of the 1972 Incident at Sea agreement, and included false flag and fake light signals, sending an armed boarding party to threaten to board a U.S.-chartered Japanese auxiliary vessel (blocked by U.S. warship interposition), interfering with a helicopter coming off the USS Elliot (7 Sept.), attempted ramming of rigs used by the South Koreans in their quadrant search, hazardous maneuvering of the Gavril Sarychev and near-collision with the USS Callaghan (September 15, 18), removing U.S. sonars, setting false pingers in deep international waters, sending Backfire bombers armed with air-to-surface nuclear-armed missiles to threaten U.S. naval units, criss-crossing in front of U.S. combatant vessels (October 26), cutting and attempted cutting of moorings of Japanese auxiliary vessels, particularly the Kaiko Maru III, and radar lock-ons by a Soviet Kara-class cruiser, the Petropavlovsk, and a Kashin-class destroyer, the Odarennyy, targeting U.S. naval vessels. USS Towers, escorting USS Conserver, experienced all of the above interference and was involved in a near-collision with the Odarennyy (September 23–27).[66][67]

According to the ICAO: "The location of the main wreckage was not determined... the approximate position was

46°34′N 141°17′E, which was in international waters." This point is about 41 miles (66 km) from Moneron Island, about 45 miles (72 km) from the shore of Sakhalin and 33 miles (53 km) from the point of attack.[68]

Rear Admiral Walter T. Piotti Jr, commander of Task Force 71 of 7th Fleet, believed the search for KAL 007 in international waters to have been a search in the wrong place and assessed:[69]


"Had TF [task force] 71 been permitted to search without restriction imposed by claimed territorial waters, the aircraft stood a good chance of having been found. No wreckage of KAL 007 was found. However, the operation established, with a 95% or above confidence level, that the wreckage, or any significant portion of the aircraft, does not lie within the probability area outside the 12 nautical mile area claimed by the Soviets as their territorial limit."[35]

At a hearing of the ICAO on September 15, 1983, J. Lynn Helms, the head of the Federal Aviation Administration, stated:[5] "The U.S.S.R. has refused to permit search and rescue units from other countries to enter Soviet territorial waters to search for the remains of KAL 007. Moreover, the Soviet Union has blocked access to the likely crash site and has refused to cooperate with other interested parties, to ensure prompt recovery of all technical equipment, wreckage and other material."

We did a huge search, one of our largest and all in spite of repeated Soviet attempts to run us off and they FAILED just like your lies FAIL.

Lol, maybe you should go back to your day job.

Camp must have read your article. He summarized it very nicely.
It seems you're the one with reading comprehension problems.
I remember the incident well. Reagan was "all hat and no cattle".

And of course Rothstein gave you a retards thumbs up, lol.

 

[JimBowie1958]

We all know how Putin defers to Obama. The elephant in the room is that Putin HAD to clear this with Obama prior to shoot down. There's no way Putin would not inform Obama prior to the incident which can only mean Obama approved it

Frank, that is simply ludicrous, even for this Muslim homo President.

 

[SmedlyButler]

Things were done off the books.

None of the Hezbollah commanders responsible are alive today.

1985 Beirut car bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were other target specific attacks that had zero collateral damage but executed by ground personnel from covert positions. But the nature of such successful operations is that few ever ever hear of them.

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

And more self incriminating evidence that libtards are indeed morons.

Better get your dumb ass to shore.

 

[SmedlyButler]

P.S. Or are you bragging that Reagan was responsible for this terror act. I don't get it, or you.


Quote:
On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

Nor do you understand what an act of terror is, you flipping idiot.

A car bomb kills almost 300 innocent people? In the real world we call that an act of terror. What do "people" in your world call it?

 

[Peach]

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

The Islamic terrorists claim the US engineered the retaliation, the US never claimed responsibity however.

We never claim responsibility for successful covert actions, else they wouldn't remain covert, now would they?

Islamic terrorists have many enemies yes.

 

[SmedlyButler]

We all know how Putin defers to Obama. The elephant in the room is that Putin HAD to clear this with Obama prior to shoot down. There's no way Putin would not inform Obama prior to the incident which can only mean Obama approved it

Frank, that is simply ludicrous, even for this Muslim homo President.

competing to see who can post the most assinine shit.

 

[Camp]

You posted the "facts". (You know, the article you posted) The "facts" that Camp's post was a good summary of?

Some people are factually challenged. You seem to be challenged even by the nature of facts themslves.

Watch how Jim starts to edit responses to try and cover up his mistake. Sad because it adds up to a kind of dishonesty and lack of integrity to simply say oops, I learned something today.

 

[SmedlyButler]

Things were done off the books.

None of the Hezbollah commanders responsible are alive today.

1985 Beirut car bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were other target specific attacks that had zero collateral damage but executed by ground personnel from covert positions. But the nature of such successful operations is that few ever ever hear of them.

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

On 8 March 1985, a car bomb exploded between 9[1] and 45 metres[2] from the house of Islamic cleric Sayyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah in Beirut, Lebanon, in a failed assassination attempt allegedly organized by the American CIA and British intelligence. The bombing killed more than 80 people and injured 200, almost all civilians

The Islamic terrorists claim the US engineered the retaliation, the US never claimed responsibity however.

give as much credence to Islamic Terrorists as JimBowowey does.

 

[SmedlyButler]

We all know how Putin defers to Obama. The elephant in the room is that Putin HAD to clear this with Obama prior to shoot down. There's no way Putin would not inform Obama prior to the incident which can only mean Obama approved it

I have to take off, you two clowns are hilarious.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

And more self incriminating evidence that libtards are indeed morons.

Better get your dumb ass to shore.

Yes, and you are the one drowning, but too stupid to know it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Now I know it is. What exactly has this indescriminate act of terror have to do with any of your bullshit?

From your wiki article;

The Islamic terrorists claim the US engineered the retaliation, the US never claimed responsibity however.

give as much credence to Islamic Terrorists as JimBowowey does.

Neither of gave credence to Islamic terrorists, moron.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You posted the "facts". (You know, the article you posted) The "facts" that Camp's post was a good summary of?

Some people are factually challenged. You seem to be challenged even by the nature of facts themslves.

Watch how Jim starts to edit responses to try and cover up his mistake. Sad because it adds up to a kind of dishonesty and lack of integrity to simply say oops, I learned something today.

Anyone can trace back the posts and see that you are lying, once again.

You claim Reagan did no search. We did one of our biggest searches.

You claimed that Reagan backed off from the Soviet threats. He carried out the search despite numerous acts of sabotage and threats.

You are a liar, plain and simple, and you are too stupid to realize that you are digging yourself a hole, relying on repeated spam to try and bury the the record.

 

[JimBowie1958]

We all know how Putin defers to Obama. The elephant in the room is that Putin HAD to clear this with Obama prior to shoot down. There's no way Putin would not inform Obama prior to the incident which can only mean Obama approved it

Frank, that is simply ludicrous, even for this Muslim homo President.

competing to see who can post the most assinine shit.

Well it is nose to nose on the part of you and Camp, idjit.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Islamic terrorists claim the US engineered the retaliation, the US never claimed responsibity however.

We never claim responsibility for successful covert actions, else they wouldn't remain covert, now would they?

Islamic terrorists have many enemies yes.

yep; Israel, the USA, and other Muslim factions, sects and terrorist groups.

 

[AceRothstein]

lol, you are an idiot or an ideologue, but that's splittin hairs.

LOL at you calling someone else an ideologue when you've contradicted yourself multiple times in one thread.

Bullshit, prove it.

The record is clear and your spin is not going to work, fruit loop

1. Jim Bowie complains that Obama isn't acting more like Reagan. Reagan took 4 days to respond when it was immediately clear that the Soviets shot down KAL 007. Obama hasn't even had 24 hours yet and all the facts aren't clear.
2. When confronted with the above info Jim Bowie states Reagan waited til all the facts were in. Jim Bowie ignores that all the facts aren't in regarding yesterday's incident.