That darned Sputnik.

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The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.
 
The purpose of the Constitution was not to limit government....it was to define the governmental structure that would run the country

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say government should be limited
 
The purpose of the Constitution was not to limit government....it was to define the governmental structure that would run the country

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say government should be limited

I suggest you read the 10th amendment.
 
The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.
 
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The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

Social change is nothing more than educational processed food.
 
The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

The education system is a piece of that puzzle, whether you like it or not.

I may have asked this before, but do you teach according to the Socratic method?
 
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The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

The education system is a piece of that puzzle, whether you like it or not.

I may have asked this before, but do you teach according to the Socratic method?

I would argue that political correctness is the direct antithesis of the Socratic method. Providing a "right answer" teaches no one anything. When you encourage a student to question an answer then actual thinking is involved. This is also called learning by the way. Wisdom comes from this.
 
The purpose of the Constitution was not to limit government....it was to define the governmental structure that would run the country

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say government should be limited

Ever hear of the Bill of Rights? It mandates the limitations of the Federal government.
 
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The purpose of the Constitution was not to limit government....it was to define the governmental structure that would run the country

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say government should be limited

^ Publik skol edjamkated
 
The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

The education system is a piece of that puzzle, whether you like it or not.

I may have asked this before, but do you teach according to the Socratic method?

I would argue that political correctness is the direct antithesis of the Socratic method. Providing a "right answer" teaches no one anything. When you encourage a student to question an answer then actual thinking is involved. This is also called learning by the way. Wisdom comes from this.

OK. Yes, all teachers still use the Socratic method because it leads to higher order thinking skills. I don't have much use for political correctness in my classes.

You point is what again? I am still missing something here.
 
The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

Social change is nothing more than educational processed food.

I am raising the flag on that statement.

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The purpose of the Constitution was not to limit government....it was to define the governmental structure that would run the country

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say government should be limited

I suggest you read the 10th amendment.
Methinks you give it more power than our courts do

I suggest you read the Supremacy Clause
 
The purpose of the Constitution was not to limit government....it was to define the governmental structure that would run the country

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say government should be limited

Ever hear of the Bill of Rights? It mandates the limitations of the Federal government.

Yes it does. They were added after considerable debate as "amendments"

The issue raised was the "purpose"
Which was to define the "constitution" of our government. Most of the document is dedicated to defining the branches of government
 
The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

The education system is a piece of that puzzle, whether you like it or not.

I may have asked this before, but do you teach according to the Socratic method?

I would argue that political correctness is the direct antithesis of the Socratic method. Providing a "right answer" teaches no one anything. When you encourage a student to question an answer then actual thinking is involved. This is also called learning by the way. Wisdom comes from this.

OK. Yes, all teachers still use the Socratic method because it leads to higher order thinking skills. I don't have much use for political correctness in my classes.

You point is what again? I am still missing something here.

Sometimes the obvious can be overlooked or missed entirely. Getting a competing society to adopt your ideology is a victory without firing a shot. Remember when Vladimir Lenin said "the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"? Ever since Sputnik American education has become a de facto Soviet Trojan horse. The Soviet wall came down because they didn't need it any longer. Their central planning ideology crashed the gates and infiltrated American society. That is my point.
 
The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

The education system is a piece of that puzzle, whether you like it or not.

I may have asked this before, but do you teach according to the Socratic method?

I would argue that political correctness is the direct antithesis of the Socratic method. Providing a "right answer" teaches no one anything. When you encourage a student to question an answer then actual thinking is involved. This is also called learning by the way. Wisdom comes from this.

OK. Yes, all teachers still use the Socratic method because it leads to higher order thinking skills. I don't have much use for political correctness in my classes.

You point is what again? I am still missing something here.

Yeah, we've had this conversation before. My point is in some states, it's not like that anymore.

They don't use Socratic method and some kind of progressive doctrine.

It's (The old way) still done in my state and some others where I've talked to members of family and friends from.

In some places it's not like that.
 
The US Constitution is a problematic document for educators in America because its intended purpose was to limit government. It’s problematic because in its purest form it is an obstacle to the insectoid, globalist mentality that prevails in contemporary education from kindergarten to graduate school-see Common Core. Now no one argues that an educated populace is a benefit to any society but there is nothing in the Constitution that says the government should commandeer and control education to the morbid extent it does today. There is only a vague reference to promoting the general welfare.


Baby Boomers with good memories can easily recall when the federal government swooped in like a vulture and began eating American education alive. In 1957 those pesky Russians fired a rusty tin can with an antenna on it through the stratosphere and into an orbital plane with a radio signal to prove it. This sent US leaders into a mass panic we’ll call the “Sputnik crises”.


Even with all the whitewashed Nazis America had in its science programs the closest it could come to putting an object into orbit was to throw a rock. The Soviets had a space program and American education looked to be about as useful as a necktie at a nudist camp. This lead in 1958 to the creation of NASA-the National Association of Startled Americans.


American leadership then observed that the Soviets must have been doing something right if they were in space and the US was not. So they embarked on a mission of monkey-see-monkey-do by first initiating the War on Poverty and then the Great society. American educators were not about to be outdone by Soviet central planning so they began a parade of American central planning that continues to this day.


A lot of boomers were born at night but few were born last night. They have dim recollections of a time when people could actually read with comprehension and write to convey ideas. They remember homes with biological parents and siblings with the same last name. That was before modern education brought us from James Madison to Ashleigh Madison.


Don’t worry about Russian meddling in our elections. The Soviets won a long time ago when American educators adopted and expanded their ideological policies. Our Constitution is regarded as a meaningless, anachronistic historical artifact and the middle class is gone. Welcome to Sputnik globalization.

I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

The education system is a piece of that puzzle, whether you like it or not.

I may have asked this before, but do you teach according to the Socratic method?

I would argue that political correctness is the direct antithesis of the Socratic method. Providing a "right answer" teaches no one anything. When you encourage a student to question an answer then actual thinking is involved. This is also called learning by the way. Wisdom comes from this.

OK. Yes, all teachers still use the Socratic method because it leads to higher order thinking skills. I don't have much use for political correctness in my classes.

You point is what again? I am still missing something here.

Sometimes the obvious can be overlooked or missed entirely. Getting a competing society to adopt your ideology is a victory without firing a shot. Remember when Vladimir Lenin said "the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"? Ever since Sputnik American education has become a de facto Soviet Trojan horse. The Soviet wall came down because they didn't need it any longer. Their central planning ideology crashed the gates and infiltrated American society. That is my point.

I had a feeling that's what the point of the OP was, and that's true.

You really could have left Sputnik all kinds of out of it, though.

College campuses here are more Communist than Russia. :cuckoo:
 
I'm sorry, but I missed the point of this diatribe. You seem to be decrying what happened when we tried to improve our educational processes. It wasn't education that caused these problems but social change.

The education system is a piece of that puzzle, whether you like it or not.

I may have asked this before, but do you teach according to the Socratic method?

I would argue that political correctness is the direct antithesis of the Socratic method. Providing a "right answer" teaches no one anything. When you encourage a student to question an answer then actual thinking is involved. This is also called learning by the way. Wisdom comes from this.

OK. Yes, all teachers still use the Socratic method because it leads to higher order thinking skills. I don't have much use for political correctness in my classes.

You point is what again? I am still missing something here.

Sometimes the obvious can be overlooked or missed entirely. Getting a competing society to adopt your ideology is a victory without firing a shot. Remember when Vladimir Lenin said "the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"? Ever since Sputnik American education has become a de facto Soviet Trojan horse. The Soviet wall came down because they didn't need it any longer. Their central planning ideology crashed the gates and infiltrated American society. That is my point.

I had a feeling that's what the point of the OP was, and that's true.

You really could have left Sputnik all kinds of out of it, though.

College campuses here are more Communist than Russia. :cuckoo:

I'm 70. You are probably much younger. I was only ten years old when Sputnik went up. It was huge. It was the genesis of government involvement in education.
 

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