The 2nd amendment does not say "Except for felons" or "Except as provided by law". Why not?

[ChrisL]

The States retain their rights to a Militia, the PEOPLE keep the right to arms.

And the PEOPLE belong to a well regulated militia run by the states

If the State decides it doesn't want to muster an organized militia, that's their right, but the people retain their right to keep and bear arms as part of the unorganized militia, ready for the State to call it up.

Interesting....so the State can call up this unorganized militia if we need them

Looks like we need gun registration so that we know who to call

No need, the call goes out, and armed people show up. All the government has to do is specify what weapons it prefers.

Good idea...now we get to the well regulated part

How do we make sure these unorganized militia are trained and in some type of physical shape? Also, what is the command structure? We can't have a bunch of gun nuts running around shooting things up

We better get started on regulating our militia

The point here is, the founders believed American citizens had the right and the duty to defend themselves and their property.

 

[rightwinger]

And the PEOPLE belong to a well regulated militia run by the states

If the State decides it doesn't want to muster an organized militia, that's their right, but the people retain their right to keep and bear arms as part of the unorganized militia, ready for the State to call it up.

Interesting....so the State can call up this unorganized militia if we need them

Looks like we need gun registration so that we know who to call

No need, the call goes out, and armed people show up. All the government has to do is specify what weapons it prefers.

Good idea...now we get to the well regulated part

How do we make sure these unorganized militia are trained and in some type of physical shape? Also, what is the command structure? We can't have a bunch of gun nuts running around shooting things up

We better get started on regulating our militia

The point here is, the founders believed American citizens had the right and the duty to defend themselves and their property.

I agree...time to start regulating our militia

 

[ChrisL]

If the State decides it doesn't want to muster an organized militia, that's their right, but the people retain their right to keep and bear arms as part of the unorganized militia, ready for the State to call it up.

Interesting....so the State can call up this unorganized militia if we need them

Looks like we need gun registration so that we know who to call

No need, the call goes out, and armed people show up. All the government has to do is specify what weapons it prefers.

Good idea...now we get to the well regulated part

How do we make sure these unorganized militia are trained and in some type of physical shape? Also, what is the command structure? We can't have a bunch of gun nuts running around shooting things up

We better get started on regulating our militia

The point here is, the founders believed American citizens had the right and the duty to defend themselves and their property.

I agree...time to start regulating our militia

We already have "regulations." No? If you use your weapon in an aggressive manner, then you are breaking the law. If you use it in defense of yourself or your property, then you are totally within your rights as an American citizen. It doesn't really matter how YOU personally feel about it. It is a right that is pretty clear when you read the founding fathers' thoughts on it.

 

[Wildman]

It does say....A well regulated militia being necessary for a free state

it also states:
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[martybegan]

The States retain their rights to a Militia, the PEOPLE keep the right to arms.

And the PEOPLE belong to a well regulated militia run by the states

If the State decides it doesn't want to muster an organized militia, that's their right, but the people retain their right to keep and bear arms as part of the unorganized militia, ready for the State to call it up.

Interesting....so the State can call up this unorganized militia if we need them

Looks like we need gun registration so that we know who to call

No need, the call goes out, and armed people show up. All the government has to do is specify what weapons it prefers.

Good idea...now we get to the well regulated part

How do we make sure these unorganized militia are trained and in some type of physical shape? Also, what is the command structure? We can't have a bunch of gun nuts running around shooting things up

We better get started on regulating our militia

Up to the States, but regulating doesn't mean banning what weapons the people can have, because the right to keep and bear arms resides with them, not the militia.

and regulated doesn't mean what you think it means.

 

[MathewSmith]

There is absolutely no time for no Guns do not kill people, people kill people debates it was people who invented firearms in the first place.

The time has come to realise it is mainly our children who pay the ultimate price for lack of diligence in monitoring a problem that has been there for far too many years.

 

[Wildman]

It is a right that is pretty clear when you read the founding fathers' thoughts on it.

something libertards fail to do and/or fail to comprehend. combined, federal, state, county, city, other entities there are 20,000 gun/anti gun laws across America.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Are you illiterate? The OP is claiming that the 2nd Amendment protects the right of felons to buy and possess guns.

Wake up, Noddy.

listen moron. the federal government does not have any proper power to deny felons the RKBA. However, the states do. Just like the states can deny those convicted of felonies the right of ASSEMBLY, the right of FREE SPEECH, the right to be free from searches etc.

English, please.

its a legal argument, dipshit, Come back in three years when you get a law degree from Yale or Columbia. Then you will be in a position to understand what I tell you.

Start by telling us what RKBA means.

if you don't know that its shorthand for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, then you have no reason to even be here

No one uses that. Are you a lawyer?

Are you illiterate? The OP is claiming that the 2nd Amendment protects the right of felons to buy and possess guns.

Wake up, Noddy.

listen moron. the federal government does not have any proper power to deny felons the RKBA. However, the states do. Just like the states can deny those convicted of felonies the right of ASSEMBLY, the right of FREE SPEECH, the right to be free from searches etc.

English, please.

its a legal argument, dipshit, Come back in three years when you get a law degree from Yale or Columbia. Then you will be in a position to understand what I tell you.

Start by telling us what RKBA means.

if you don't know that its shorthand for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, then you have no reason to even be here

No one uses that shorthand.

Are you a lawyer?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The RWnuts don't want felons to vote,

but they want them to have any gun they can get their hands on.

Amazing.

stop lying you pos. its liberals who want to make working conditions for felons safer

Are you illiterate? The OP is claiming that the 2nd Amendment protects the right of felons to buy and possess guns.

Wake up, Noddy.

listen moron. the federal government does not have any proper power to deny felons the RKBA. However, the states do. Just like the states can deny those convicted of felonies the right of ASSEMBLY, the right of FREE SPEECH, the right to be free from searches etc.

English, please.

It's plain enough to me.... Perhaps you are intellectually challenged?

That's because you retards speak your own retarded language.


Federal Restrictions on Gun Ownership by Convicted Felons | David J. Shestokas

 

[NYcarbineer]

The RWnuts don't want felons to vote,

but they want them to have any gun they can get their hands on.

Amazing.

stop lying you pos. its liberals who want to make working conditions for felons safer

Are you illiterate? The OP is claiming that the 2nd Amendment protects the right of felons to buy and possess guns.

Wake up, Noddy.

listen moron. the federal government does not have any proper power to deny felons the RKBA. However, the states do. Just like the states can deny those convicted of felonies the right of ASSEMBLY, the right of FREE SPEECH, the right to be free from searches etc.

English, please.

its a legal argument, dipshit, Come back in three years when you get a law degree from Yale or Columbia. Then you will be in a position to understand what I tell you.

It's a wrong, stupid argument, exactly what one would expect from you.

Federal Restrictions on Gun Ownership by Convicted Felons | David J. Shestokas

 

[rightwinger]

And the PEOPLE belong to a well regulated militia run by the states

If the State decides it doesn't want to muster an organized militia, that's their right, but the people retain their right to keep and bear arms as part of the unorganized militia, ready for the State to call it up.

Interesting....so the State can call up this unorganized militia if we need them

Looks like we need gun registration so that we know who to call

No need, the call goes out, and armed people show up. All the government has to do is specify what weapons it prefers.

Good idea...now we get to the well regulated part

How do we make sure these unorganized militia are trained and in some type of physical shape? Also, what is the command structure? We can't have a bunch of gun nuts running around shooting things up

We better get started on regulating our militia

Up to the States, but regulating doesn't mean banning what weapons the people can have, because the right to keep and bear arms resides with them, not the militia.

and regulated doesn't mean what you think it means.

Yes it does mean regulating means banning what weapons people can have

 

[martybegan]

If the State decides it doesn't want to muster an organized militia, that's their right, but the people retain their right to keep and bear arms as part of the unorganized militia, ready for the State to call it up.

Interesting....so the State can call up this unorganized militia if we need them

Looks like we need gun registration so that we know who to call

No need, the call goes out, and armed people show up. All the government has to do is specify what weapons it prefers.

Good idea...now we get to the well regulated part

How do we make sure these unorganized militia are trained and in some type of physical shape? Also, what is the command structure? We can't have a bunch of gun nuts running around shooting things up

We better get started on regulating our militia

Up to the States, but regulating doesn't mean banning what weapons the people can have, because the right to keep and bear arms resides with them, not the militia.

and regulated doesn't mean what you think it means.

Yes it does mean regulating means banning what weapons people can have

No, it meant procedures for drill, mustering and employing the militia. Considering most people brought weapons of the same grade as those used in the standing armies at the time, the concept of "banning" something because it was too powerful never crossed the minds of the founders.

 

[Misty]

As passed by the Congress and preserved in the National Archives, with the rest of the original hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights prepared by scribe William Lambert:[29]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:[30]

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's conditional, but didn't have to be.

Did you just ignore the part that says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms"?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yet, restrictions on ownership have been upheld repeatedly. Scalia even said assault rifles can be banned. Curious that.

Incorrect, that. Scalia has never said any such thing.

 

[Ernie S.]

stop lying you pos. its liberals who want to make working conditions for felons safer

Are you illiterate? The OP is claiming that the 2nd Amendment protects the right of felons to buy and possess guns.

Wake up, Noddy.

listen moron. the federal government does not have any proper power to deny felons the RKBA. However, the states do. Just like the states can deny those convicted of felonies the right of ASSEMBLY, the right of FREE SPEECH, the right to be free from searches etc.

English, please.

It's plain enough to me.... Perhaps you are intellectually challenged?

That's because you retards speak your own retarded language.


Federal Restrictions on Gun Ownership by Convicted Felons | David J. Shestokas

No, it's because we feel that if we are going to discuss an issue, we should study it and become familiar with the terms used.

 

[Ernie S.]

If the State decides it doesn't want to muster an organized militia, that's their right, but the people retain their right to keep and bear arms as part of the unorganized militia, ready for the State to call it up.

Interesting....so the State can call up this unorganized militia if we need them

Looks like we need gun registration so that we know who to call

No need, the call goes out, and armed people show up. All the government has to do is specify what weapons it prefers.

Good idea...now we get to the well regulated part

How do we make sure these unorganized militia are trained and in some type of physical shape? Also, what is the command structure? We can't have a bunch of gun nuts running around shooting things up

We better get started on regulating our militia

Up to the States, but regulating doesn't mean banning what weapons the people can have, because the right to keep and bear arms resides with them, not the militia.

and regulated doesn't mean what you think it means.

Yes it does mean regulating means banning what weapons people can have

In the context of the 2nd Amendment, regulated means trained and disciplined. It does not mean subject to regulations imposed by people afraid of firearms.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Are you illiterate? The OP is claiming that the 2nd Amendment protects the right of felons to buy and possess guns.

Wake up, Noddy.

listen moron. the federal government does not have any proper power to deny felons the RKBA. However, the states do. Just like the states can deny those convicted of felonies the right of ASSEMBLY, the right of FREE SPEECH, the right to be free from searches etc.

English, please.

It's plain enough to me.... Perhaps you are intellectually challenged?

That's because you retards speak your own retarded language.


Federal Restrictions on Gun Ownership by Convicted Felons | David J. Shestokas

No, it's because we feel that if we are going to discuss an issue, we should study it and become familiar with the terms used.

So I asked him to familiarize me with the term and I got a ration of childish shit.

 

[Ernie S.]

You should have come prepared. He has no obligation to do your research.

 

[Care4all]

So the Federal gvt DOES have the power to legislate gun RESTRICTIONS for felons, coming from nycarbs link?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

But at the same time, when government makes the slightest move toward disarming even a little of its populace by legislation, they can be met with the absolute, no-exceptions ban codified by the 2nd amendment. No loopholes, no "reasonable exceptions", no nothing. ANY legislation that infringes on the absolute right to KBA, is unconstitutional. Period.

The first glaring error, which is like fingernails on the chalkboard to me, is your claim that Amendment II is somehow "codified"! The Constitution is a stand alone document and certainly not part of any organized code of law.

The second error is your claim that any gun control legislation is unconstitutional! That is clearly in error based on the legislative record. The several States have hundreds gun control laws on the books right now which are NOT being challenged. WHY? Simply because the are lawful. The National guv'ment has passed a good number of pieces of gun control legislation. Here is a list which may not be all inclusive:

1. National Firearms Act - 1934
2. Federal Firearms Act - 1938
3. Gun Control Act - 1968
4. Law Enforcement Officers Protection Act - 1986
5. Firearms Owners' Protection Act - 1986
6. Crime Control Act - 1990
7. Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - 1994
8. Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act - 1994

Given all that gun control legislation noted above, it looks like your assertion that such legislation is unconstitutional doesn't hold water in that bullet ridden bucket you're carrying for the NRA.