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In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
It does not prohibit regulation and as you point out it mandates it. Well regulated.
Any and all regulation on guns is legal by the government. And the hard fact gun lickers are too ignorant to grasp is that the 2nd amendment was for a time long gone. No citizen militia, especially in the US, could ever fight our own army with only rifles. Those days ended 120 years ago. But these derps cling to this 'hero' idea like they'll be modern minutemen and grab their rifle and save the country.
It is so pathetically laughable it is as Lying Trump would say, sad. But cons cling to their myths like grim death.
The problem is assholes like you will turn regulation into de facto bans, Just like NYC does with handguns.
Stop lying.
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In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
It does not prohibit regulation and as you point out it mandates it. Well regulated.
Any and all regulation on guns is legal by the government. And the hard fact gun lickers are too ignorant to grasp is that the 2nd amendment was for a time long gone. No citizen militia, especially in the US, could ever fight our own army with only rifles. Those days ended 120 years ago. But these derps cling to this 'hero' idea like they'll be modern minutemen and grab their rifle and save the country.
It is so pathetically laughable it is as Lying Trump would say, sad. But cons cling to their myths like grim death.
The problem is assholes like you will turn regulation into de facto bans, Just like NYC does with handguns.
Stop lying.[/QUOTE
freedom of the press shall not be abridged...is it therefore unconstitutional to make laws against, or laws regulating, the publishing of obscene material?
And which state does that?
Every state that has laws against child pornography for starters.
Those extend from laws against raping and abusing children, which are crimes, and any recording or photograph of such is a product of that crime.
So is shooting someone.
Face it. If you argue guns can't be regulated because the 2nd amendment doesn't explicitly provide for that government prerogative,
then you have to apply that to the first amendment's freedom of speech and freedom of the press rights.
By not doing so, at that point your argument falls apart.
And people get prosecuted for shooting people. Hell if you own a snuff video (a real one, not a fake one) you probably will be prosecuted for that as well.
Who is arguing for NO regulation? Banning felons and mentally adjudicated people is a regulation. What we are against are regulations whose sole purpose is to prevent law abiding citizens from getting common firearms just because the government and clods like you don't think anyone should have one except government actors themselves.
Trying the all or nothing argument has been done before, it doesn't work.
You also have to consider prior restraint and actual actions taken.
You can prosecute a person for yelling "fire!" in a theater to cause panic, but you can't gag every single person going into the theater "just in case" they might yell "fire"
You can't gag everyone but you can say no guns allowed in the theater.
I'm glad you agree regulation is not only mandated but appropriate.
Now let's get on with we'll regulating the general citizens militia.
In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
It does not prohibit regulation and as you point out it mandates it. Well regulated.
Any and all regulation on guns is legal by the government. And the hard fact gun lickers are too ignorant to grasp is that the 2nd amendment was for a time long gone. No citizen militia, especially in the US, could ever fight our own army with only rifles. Those days ended 120 years ago. But these derps cling to this 'hero' idea like they'll be modern minutemen and grab their rifle and save the country.
It is so pathetically laughable it is as Lying Trump would say, sad. But cons cling to their myths like grim death.
The problem is assholes like you will turn regulation into de facto bans, Just like NYC does with handguns.
Stop lying.
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BIn fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
States can and do regulate militias and firearms ...
We are talking about federal regulations ... Not state regulations.
They more easily ruled in favor of Heller to possess a licensed and firearm ...
Because the District of Columbia is not a State.
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Interesting, if Scalias opinion was not the majority then only people officially in active or reserve duty in a state or federal militia would have had a personal right to keep and bear arms so maybe some regulation is not so bad.
Shall not be infringed.....
a well-regulated militia, dum dum
The States get the right to a Militia, the People get the RKBA.
Commas mean things.
In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
I have the right to protect myself. You have the right to be a victim if you so choose.
Do you think a criminal gives a shit about the law?
So we should repeal laws against murder?
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Interesting, if Scalias opinion was not the majority then only people officially in active or reserve duty in a state or federal militia would have had a personal right to keep and bear arms so maybe some regulation is not so bad.
The Bill of Rights is almost entirely restrictions on the federal government only.
So in no way is it possible for the 2nd amendment to at all intend to say what states can or can not restrict.
It simply prohibits any and all federal jurisdiction.
And stop using the word "regulation" when you do not know what it means.
Use the word "restriction", because that is what you really mean.
And by the way, if you read any state constitution, all able bodied males are members of the militia.
This is Washington State constitution:
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ARTICLE XMILITIA
SECTION 1 WHO LIABLE TO MILITARY DUTY. All able-bodied male citizens of this state between the ages of eighteen (18) and forty-five (45) years except such as are exempt by laws of the United States or by the laws of this state, shall be liable to military duty.
...}
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Interesting, if Scalias opinion was not the majority then only people officially in active or reserve duty in a state or federal militia would have had a personal right to keep and bear arms so maybe some regulation is not so bad.
The Bill of Rights is almost entirely restrictions on the federal government only.
So in no way is it possible for the 2nd amendment to at all intend to say what states can or can not restrict.
It simply prohibits any and all federal jurisdiction.
And stop using the word "regulation" when you do not know what it means.
Use the word "restriction", because that is what you really mean.
And by the way, if you read any state constitution, all able bodied males are members of the militia.
This is Washington State constitution:
{...
ARTICLE XMILITIA
SECTION 1 WHO LIABLE TO MILITARY DUTY. All able-bodied male citizens of this state between the ages of eighteen (18) and forty-five (45) years except such as are exempt by laws of the United States or by the laws of this state, shall be liable to military duty.
...}
State militias would only be called upon in times of national emergency and therefore should be federally regulated
Shall not be infringed.....
Infringed, not a synonym for regulation.
Shall not be infringed..regulation would be an infringement
Do you know what synonymous means?
Another idiot with no idea what they are talking about. This place is getting rapidly overran with goddam trolls!In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
In fact it mandates it.
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The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
That is totally and completely wrong in terms of the English language, as well as law.
What "well regulated" means is practiced.
The whole point of the 2nd amendment was to ensure the federal government has absolutey ZERO jurisdiction over weapons, because you can't wait until we are attacked to start learning how to use weapons.
You have to be well practiced ahead of time.
This is the same meaning of regulated in a regulator clock that has a well practiced pendulum to ensure it is working well.
There is absolutely way to read the 2nd amendment in any other way then to totally prohibit any federal legislation. While restrictions are quite possible, they would have to be entirely state or local. Any federal weapons law at all is just completely criminal.
In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
The NRA does exactly what your points made about instruction,training all of those points you listed.
Plus they have practice ranges.
Remember that the NRA is a grass roots organization and don't believe the lies of the left .
There are no "gun grabbers," the notion is a ridiculous rightwing lie.In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
The problem is gun grabbers hide banning inside of regulation, and make laws that are not designed to make sure a law abiding citizen is getting the firearm, but to make the process so time consuming and expensive that people either don't try or just give up. In NYC it takes 3-6 months and $600 or so in fees just to get a revolver to keep in your own home or apartment. That is not regulation, that is infringement.
And as usually is done, you misread the 2nd amendment. The 1st part guarantees the States the rights to keep their own armed forces. It's the 2nd part, that has ZERO to do wit the States that gives the PEOPLE the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
The NRA does exactly what your points made about instruction,training all of those points you listed.
Plus they have practice ranges.
Remember that the NRA is a grass roots organization and don't believe the lies of the left .
I'm very familiar with the historic gun culture of my youth, shotguns, hunting rifles, camping. My dad was raised on a farm in west Pennsylvani, no running water, no electricity. Farming and hunting was a way of life. My brothers have the shotgun and rifles. I got the muzzle loader.
Heller firmly established a individuals right to firearms. Everyone has a right to self protection. Let's elevate safety above the fetish worship of guns.
Another idiot with no idea what they are talking about. This place is getting rapidly overran with goddam trolls!In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Trolls don't want legitimate talk, they want to troll smoke and spin.Another idiot with no idea what they are talking about. This place is getting rapidly overran with goddam trolls!In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Can you articulate a rebuttal? If you have an idea why not talk about it?
And?I don't care what Scalia said the Constitution specifically states the right of the people and all the following writings of the framers confirm this.In fact it mandates it.
In the Supreme Court majority opinion in the Heller case written by Justice Scalia the point is made that formal membership in the state militia is not required by the individual for that individual to secure a personal right to keep and bear arms ...because in the wording of the time "all male adults" are considered to be members of the "citizen militia " to be called upon in times of national defense. Hence, all adult citizens (women too) are members of the general citizens militia and entitled to keep and bear arms.
The plain reading of the Second Amendment " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bears arms, shall not be infringed " obviously requires a well regulated militia
Well, the general citizens militia is not "well regulated", it's hardly regulated at all!
We need general regulations of the type the state militias use such as, instruction, training, certification, review, arms storage and yes arms type. It's important to note that in the Heller decision Scalia made the expressed point that the 2nd Amendment does not prohibit regulation.
Our leaders have failed us and allowed the NRA to make a perversion of the 2nd Amendment and our daily lives a game of Russian roulette - who will be next to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Please point out the parts of the 2nd Amendment that mention anything resembling regulation. It does not say anything about the rights of the Militia its states undeniably that the rights of the people shall not be infringed.
If people like yourself want to change the 2nd then call for a Convention it would be great to see it never make it out of the Senate because you gun grabbers will never get 2/3 of them voting to take away people's rights
No need for amendment, just the understanding that all adult citizens are members of the citizens militia as Scalia said and subject to the regulations mandated by the 2nd Amendment.
