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Well, I love my country, and I think that once it has Universal Healthcare, the countries life expectancy and standard of living will dramatically increase. It will be good for the United States and will actually make the country stronger. The other countries on the list are of systems of healthcare that work. They cost less, cover everyone, and increase life expectancy. If someone does something better than you, you should try to emulate them or find a way to equal or top them.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
Crossing the Border for Care
Frustrated by long waits, some Canadians are heading to the U.S. for medical treatment.
Why do they come here if it’s so good in Canada ? Are you just not going to answer? Name a country and people from that country come here to receive treatment for cancer and major illnesses. Why?
Its the assumption that the wealthiest country in the world has the best healthcare. The same assumption that drives people to go the hospital as best in the country. The reality though is much different.
Were not talking about the few with money who choose to travel because they believe something is better. Were talking about average life expectancy in each country and which countries are providing their citizens with Universal Healthcare. Most Europeans do not go to America to get healthcare. They stay in their countries and on average live longer than Americans. That last fact is by FAR the most relevant.
Let me ask you this:
Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices
This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
Unless they are being run over by a Box Truck in Nice France, or beheaded by a Muslim in London? Then you have to wait 6 months or more to get into their emergency rooms to see if they can help you, and if they cant, you get 2 aspirin and are told to go home and die..With Universal Healthcare, people would have better access to doctors, nurses and others that could give advise and help with the conditions you describe. It would have a dramatic effect on U.S. life expectancy. The reason U.S. life expectancy is low, is that it gets brought down by those who live in poverty or near the poverty level and don't have access to low cost quality food and healthcare. It makes a huge differences in the averages and is why the United States continues to lag behind so many other countries in the developed world in life expectancy.
The evidence is obvious. Universal Healthcare would benefit millions of people in the lower class and in poverty in the United States. It would improve U.S. life expectancy and standard of living. Its the right, moral thing to do for people and the country as a whole will benefit. Yet, because some people are blinded by outdated ideology, they will not support the common sense thing to do to help people.
The common sense thing? 2005 I needed drugs. The drug was an injectable. It was four shots a month, one month supply cost $1,750 bucks per month. The pills I took with the shot cost $375 a month. On Obama care it’s $120+- plus any specialist. I payed nothing for that and no, I didn’t get medicade, I made to much money. I went to the drug company, provided a W2 and I got all those drugs for free. Today, I take drugs for my lungs. Those are $460 a month. Since polititions in Washington who still get the best private insurance tax payers can provide messed with healthcare, drug companies no longer have these programs. If you like it so much move where they have it. If you already live in a place that has it, keep it.
Sorry, but the facts of life expectancy and Universal Healthcare coverage show that the United States would benefit from a system of Universal Healthcare. Europeans have it, they live longer on average than Americans. That's an indisputable fact.
If that were the case, they would have a MUCH lower life expectancy. They don't. ITs higher.
Then go there. Live longer.
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Before the Unaffordable care act was ENFORCED, where some people didnt want to buy health insurance but now had to or be taxed, the life expectancy was very high, around 80 years old. But since the Dimwitocraps behind closed doors FORCED this boondoggle of a bill upon US (thanks to the stupidity of the liberal voter) the "life expectancy" decreased for the first time. Thanks Obama.With Universal Healthcare, people would have better access to doctors, nurses and others that could give advise and help with the conditions you describe. It would have a dramatic effect on U.S. life expectancy. The reason U.S. life expectancy is low, is that it gets brought down by those who live in poverty or near the poverty level and don't have access to low cost quality food and healthcare. It makes a huge differences in the averages and is why the United States continues to lag behind so many other countries in the developed world in life expectancy.
The evidence is obvious. Universal Healthcare would benefit millions of people in the lower class and in poverty in the United States. It would improve U.S. life expectancy and standard of living. Its the right, moral thing to do for people and the country as a whole will benefit. Yet, because some people are blinded by outdated ideology, they will not support the common sense thing to do to help people.
The common sense thing? 2005 I needed drugs. The drug was an injectable. It was four shots a month, one month supply cost $1,750 bucks per month. The pills I took with the shot cost $375 a month. On Obama care it’s $120+- plus any specialist. I payed nothing for that and no, I didn’t get medicade, I made to much money. I went to the drug company, provided a W2 and I got all those drugs for free. Today, I take drugs for my lungs. Those are $460 a month. Since polititions in Washington who still get the best private insurance tax payers can provide messed with healthcare, drug companies no longer have these programs. If you like it so much move where they have it. If you already live in a place that has it, keep it.
Sorry, but the facts of life expectancy and Universal Healthcare coverage show that the United States would benefit from a system of Universal Healthcare. Europeans have it, they live longer on average than Americans. That's an indisputable fact.
Life Expectancy In U.S. Drops For First Time In Decades, Report FindsSo the news out of the federal government Thursday is disturbing: The overall U.S. death rate has increased for the first time in a decade, according to an analysis of the latest data. And that led to a drop in overall life expectancy for the first time since 1993, particularly among people younger than 65.
FACT: People in countries with Universal Health care live longer on average than people in countries without Universal Healthcare.
FACT, the cost of health care has gone up every year since the imposition of Obamacare. FACT, more Americans are not satisfied with their healthcare since the impossible of Obamacare. America ain’t Europe for a reason. If you like it so much, go there.
Because they haven't had to pay into the Military to keep themselves protected because the US was covering their asses, but now with their increased budget because the wonderful President Trump forced them to increase for their military, the social programs are going to take a hit, and we are starting to see the push back against these programs with the yellow vests. Stop being a retard and wake up, your stupidity is right out there for everyone to see.https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
Crossing the Border for Care
Frustrated by long waits, some Canadians are heading to the U.S. for medical treatment.
Why do they come here if it’s so good in Canada ? Are you just not going to answer? Name a country and people from that country come here to receive treatment for cancer and major illnesses. Why?
Its the assumption that the wealthiest country in the world has the best healthcare. The same assumption that drives people to go the hospital as best in the country. The reality though is much different.
Were not talking about the few with money who choose to travel because they believe something is better. Were talking about average life expectancy in each country and which countries are providing their citizens with Universal Healthcare. Most Europeans do not go to America to get healthcare. They stay in their countries and on average live longer than Americans. That last fact is by FAR the most relevant.
Let me ask you this:
Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices
This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
First, during the cold war. All nations in NATO spend vast amounts of GDP on defense. All those countries in NATO managed to provide universal healthcare at the same time. Secondly unless you haven't noticed. Providing universal healthcare, universally shows CHEAPER healthcare then the US. So why pray tell do you think military spending has any impact on whether or not a country is capable of providing healthcare?Because they haven't had to pay into the Military to keep themselves protected because the US was covering their asses, but now with their increased budget because the wonderful President Trump forced them to increase for their military, the social programs are going to take a hit, and we are starting to see the push back against these programs with the yellow vests. Stop being a retard and wake up, your stupidity is right out there for everyone to see.Its the assumption that the wealthiest country in the world has the best healthcare. The same assumption that drives people to go the hospital as best in the country. The reality though is much different.
Were not talking about the few with money who choose to travel because they believe something is better. Were talking about average life expectancy in each country and which countries are providing their citizens with Universal Healthcare. Most Europeans do not go to America to get healthcare. They stay in their countries and on average live longer than Americans. That last fact is by FAR the most relevant.
Let me ask you this:
Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices
This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
You are not a "developed" country if you have a system where you steal the money made by some people and use it to pay the health care bills of other people that didn't earn the money.
That is state sponsored thievery.
Wrong, because people EARN money from the MARKET! The MARKET decides your salary and how much your house is worth, NOT you. You did not create the market, you were born into it. Those who benefit most from the market are required to pay a higher percentage of their earnings in taxes in order to help build and sustain the market. The market needs to be defended from foreign invasion and it needs law and order to operate efficiently which is provided by a government.
Tell you what, move to Somalia where there is no government to "steal your earnings" and see how you like it.
You're British? Well, you have the healthcare system you deserve - one of the worst in the industrialized world.In Britain?Fine, so long as I can prevent my tax dollars from going to your causes. How about we have a check-off system where we get to choose what our taxes pay for?I’m willing for some of my taxes to go for universal health care. That’s willing to help.
The average Brit lives longer than the average American.
Which has nothing whatsoever to do with healthcare.
As much as I realize that it confuses and bewilders you, the world is not a simple place, and humans are not simple creatures. People aren't interchangeable cogs, and nations aren't either. Simplistic answers like "Let's just do this the way the Brits do, and that'll make us just like them!" only make sense to children and fools.
First of all, there's just the math to consider. Life expectancy is an estimate, an average figured by the age at which other people die. Great Britain has a population of approximately 64 million people. The United States has a population of approximately 300 million people. How do you suppose that difference might affect the outcome of the equation?
Then there's the fact that life expectancy figured just by geographic area is wildly imprecise, because you're often lumping together people who vary hugely in individual specifics. Women have a longer life expectancy in general than men, so while my life expectancy might be X because I'm American, it's Y because I'm female. This is why life expectancy is usually figured and reported in groups within the larger group: life expectancy for women, life expectancy for white people, life expectancy for Arizona, life expectancy for non-smokers.
Great Britain is a mostly homogenous society in terms of race and ethnicity; the United States definitely isn't. As politically incorrect as it is to mention it, other racial and ethnic groups have quite different life expectancies from white people, some better and some worse, for a variety of different reasons. Those factors change the averages quite a bit. And noticeably, when you break down US life expectancy by racial and ethnic group, they often become comparable to the life expectancies of people in the origin country. It's almost like there are other factors at work there.
I can keep going, listing other factors that have far more influence on life expectancy than how socialized the healthcare system is, but the point is that the differences between countries are varied and complex, which means that making life expectancy the exact same is also far more complex.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
Crossing the Border for Care
Frustrated by long waits, some Canadians are heading to the U.S. for medical treatment.
Why do they come here if it’s so good in Canada ? Are you just not going to answer? Name a country and people from that country come here to receive treatment for cancer and major illnesses. Why?
Its the assumption that the wealthiest country in the world has the best healthcare. The same assumption that drives people to go the hospital as best in the country. The reality though is much different.
Were not talking about the few with money who choose to travel because they believe something is better. Were talking about average life expectancy in each country and which countries are providing their citizens with Universal Healthcare. Most Europeans do not go to America to get healthcare. They stay in their countries and on average live longer than Americans. That last fact is by FAR the most relevant.
Let me ask you this:
Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices
This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
You are not a "developed" country if you have a system where you steal the money made by some people and use it to pay the health care bills of other people that didn't earn the money.
That is state sponsored thievery.
Wrong, because people EARN money from the MARKET! The MARKET decides your salary and how much your house is worth, NOT you. You did not create the market, you were born into it. Those who benefit most from the market are required to pay a higher percentage of their earnings in taxes in order to help build and sustain the market. The market needs to be defended from foreign invasion and it needs law and order to operate efficiently which is provided by a government.
Tell you what, move to Somalia where there is no government to "steal your earnings" and see how you like it.
You are confused Moon Bat.
I earned money because I fucking worked for a living. It is morally wrong for the oppressive government to steal that money from me and give it to some filthy ass welfare queen or illegal. You know, a ghetto Democrat voter.
Moon Bats like you have a hard time understanding things like that, don't you?
Instead of me going to Somalia to get lesser government how about you getting your fat commie ass down to Venezuela to how that socialism is working out? Send us a card.
How about this Moon Bat. I'll pay my bills and you pay yours. Isn't that fair or are you some greedy asshole who thinks that you have the right to demand that I pay your bills simply because you are alive?
Fuck socialism. Fuck universal health care. Fuck greedy worthless Moon Bats that are too sorry to pay for their own health care.
I’m a Libertarian and didn’t vote for Obummer.Minimum wage earners, those with disabilities... often can't afford health care. Stop being so selfish and obtuse.LolSo making America great again means letting poor people die in the streets?My family and I have no right to healthcare, But I do have the right to earn healthcare for me and my family.
It’s called getting off your ass and make a living...
Wasn't it YOUR President that set us a system where Minimum wage earners and those with disabilities were FORCED to buy health insurance for health care? Who is being selfish and obtuse?
Its the assumption that the wealthiest country in the world has the best healthcare. The same assumption that drives people to go the hospital as best in the country. The reality though is much different.
Were not talking about the few with money who choose to travel because they believe something is better. Were talking about average life expectancy in each country and which countries are providing their citizens with Universal Healthcare. Most Europeans do not go to America to get healthcare. They stay in their countries and on average live longer than Americans. That last fact is by FAR the most relevant.
Let me ask you this:
Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices
This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Why does the United States, the wealthiest country in the world and the 3rd wealthiest per captia country, still not provide Universal Healthcare for its citizens?
Because we are so wealthy people pay for their own health insurance.
Millions of Americans cannot afford health insurance so that is not true. The Wealthiest 20% of households in the United States have 80% of the country's wealth.
Let me ask you this:
Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices
This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Most people in Europe stay in Europe whether they are rich or poor when it comes to their healthcare. Most immigration to the United States comes from the third world, not developed countries in the first world. Universal Healthcare is coming to the United States whether you like it or not. Its immoral not to be providing care for the poorest members of society. Its immoral when the rich in the United States get a different standard of care than the poor an uninsured.
Let me ask you this:
Timely Medical | Timely Surgery at Affordable Prices
This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Most people in Europe stay in Europe whether they are rich or poor when it comes to their healthcare. Most immigration to the United States comes from the third world, not developed countries in the first world. Universal Healthcare is coming to the United States whether you like it or not. Its immoral not to be providing care for the poorest members of society. Its immoral when the rich in the United States get a different standard of care than the poor an uninsured.
Because they haven't had to pay into the Military to keep themselves protected because the US was covering their asses, but now with their increased budget because the wonderful President Trump forced them to increase for their military, the social programs are going to take a hit, and we are starting to see the push back against these programs with the yellow vests. Stop being a retard and wake up, your stupidity is right out there for everyone to see.Its the assumption that the wealthiest country in the world has the best healthcare. The same assumption that drives people to go the hospital as best in the country. The reality though is much different.
Were not talking about the few with money who choose to travel because they believe something is better. Were talking about average life expectancy in each country and which countries are providing their citizens with Universal Healthcare. Most Europeans do not go to America to get healthcare. They stay in their countries and on average live longer than Americans. That last fact is by FAR the most relevant.
Let me ask you this:
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This is a company. It's a company operating out of Canada. The entire purpose of this company, is to setup patient, primarily in Canada, with doctors and hospitals in the US.
They charge money, obviously to provide this service.
This is an additional charge to the cost of getting whatever treatment or surgery they get in the US.
The company was started by a Canadian doctor, who was fed up watching patients die while waiting.
So my question to you is this.....
Canada has universal care, that is "free". Please explain to me how Timely medical can find enough consistent flow of customers, willing to pay thousands of dollars for surgery in the US, and to pay them to set them up for that surgery.... if those same customers can all get surgery for 'free'?
If government run health care is so great in Canada, how can this company started by a Canadian doctor, end up with thousands of customers every year willing to pay for health care? How can they find enough people willing to spend thousands of dollar for health care, to escape their Canadian system if it is so great?
Can you explain that to me?
Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Donald Trump is the #1 anti-American Idiot.Don't have to. These little individual examples, whether they are true or not, are irrelevant. What matters is the overall averages on life expectancy and the countries that provide Universal Healthcare. Look FRANCE, GERMANY, SWEDEN, NORWAY, ITALY etc. Most people in the top 50 most developed countries in the world stay in their own countries when it comes to healthcare. At least 34 of those countries citizens live longer than Americans on average. One's personal experience, or some off hand example will not change that reality.
You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Most people in Europe stay in Europe whether they are rich or poor when it comes to their healthcare. Most immigration to the United States comes from the third world, not developed countries in the first world. Universal Healthcare is coming to the United States whether you like it or not. Its immoral not to be providing care for the poorest members of society. Its immoral when the rich in the United States get a different standard of care than the poor an uninsured.
What is immoral is that we have anti-American idiots among us. Perhaps after we have dealt with that, then we can discuss health care.
Universal health care is coming to the US. It's just a matter of time.
You know why?
Because the GOP has never offered a comprehensive solution to skyrocketing health care costs.
That's right, over 50% of Americans support Universal Healthcare. Universal Healthcare is coming to the United States whether these anti-healthcare types like it or not.
Donald Trump is the #1 anti-American Idiot.You are right. Those little examples true or not are irrelevent to you because you haven’t had to address them yet, or you have enough money that it’s just not an issue to you. Same for all the rich people in Europe, Canada or wherever you want. When the crap hits the fan they come here to the US for major treatments. If this is so awesome, who don’t American polititions enter the program with the rest of us? And why don’t rich people in Europe go into their government health care systems?
The vast majority of people, rich or poor, in Europe, use their own countries healthcare. On average they live longer than Americans. Were talking about National policy here. What is best for the most people. We can't bend a national policy for 300 million people because it might be better for this particular individual or that particular individual. We have to do what is best for the country as a whole.
Not how it works here. And the fact remains, when wealthy people in Europe are told “no” the come here. Poor people in Europe have to deal with it. Cool, people in Europe live longer, but tell that to a dude who has been told they need an organ transplant and they will likely die before they get one, or that they are to old to be considered for one. It like you say, our health care system sucks, yet our crappy healthcare system manages to be number 4 on a list of why people immigrate here. Why?
Why people migrate: 11 surprising reasons
Most people in Europe stay in Europe whether they are rich or poor when it comes to their healthcare. Most immigration to the United States comes from the third world, not developed countries in the first world. Universal Healthcare is coming to the United States whether you like it or not. Its immoral not to be providing care for the poorest members of society. Its immoral when the rich in the United States get a different standard of care than the poor an uninsured.
What is immoral is that we have anti-American idiots among us. Perhaps after we have dealt with that, then we can discuss health care.
Yeah, like 6 months longer.You're British? Well, you have the healthcare system you deserve - one of the worst in the industrialized world.In Britain?Fine, so long as I can prevent my tax dollars from going to your causes. How about we have a check-off system where we get to choose what our taxes pay for?
The average Brit lives longer than the average American.
When it comes to average life expectancy, that is significant. Plus they do it at a lower cost and everyone is provided healthcare. Win, win, and win.
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Before the Unaffordable care act was ENFORCED, where some people didnt want to buy health insurance but now had to or be taxed, the life expectancy was very high, around 80 years old. But since the Dimwitocraps behind closed doors FORCED this boondoggle of a bill upon US (thanks to the stupidity of the liberal voter) the "life expectancy" decreased for the first time. Thanks Obama.Except it doesn't work that way. The reason American life expectancy is less than many of our counterparts is we have higher rates of automobile fatalities, we have higher rates of death due to poor eating habits and lack of exercise (Americans are fat and lazy) and we have higher rates of drug related deaths. None of that has anything to do with our health care system. It has to do with poor cultural habits.
With Universal Healthcare, people would have better access to doctors, nurses and others that could give advise and help with the conditions you describe. It would have a dramatic effect on U.S. life expectancy. The reason U.S. life expectancy is low, is that it gets brought down by those who live in poverty or near the poverty level and don't have access to low cost quality food and healthcare. It makes a huge differences in the averages and is why the United States continues to lag behind so many other countries in the developed world in life expectancy.
The evidence is obvious. Universal Healthcare would benefit millions of people in the lower class and in poverty in the United States. It would improve U.S. life expectancy and standard of living. Its the right, moral thing to do for people and the country as a whole will benefit. Yet, because some people are blinded by outdated ideology, they will not support the common sense thing to do to help people.
The common sense thing? 2005 I needed drugs. The drug was an injectable. It was four shots a month, one month supply cost $1,750 bucks per month. The pills I took with the shot cost $375 a month. On Obama care it’s $120+- plus any specialist. I payed nothing for that and no, I didn’t get medicade, I made to much money. I went to the drug company, provided a W2 and I got all those drugs for free. Today, I take drugs for my lungs. Those are $460 a month. Since polititions in Washington who still get the best private insurance tax payers can provide messed with healthcare, drug companies no longer have these programs. If you like it so much move where they have it. If you already live in a place that has it, keep it.
Sorry, but the facts of life expectancy and Universal Healthcare coverage show that the United States would benefit from a system of Universal Healthcare. Europeans have it, they live longer on average than Americans. That's an indisputable fact.
Life Expectancy In U.S. Drops For First Time In Decades, Report FindsSo the news out of the federal government Thursday is disturbing: The overall U.S. death rate has increased for the first time in a decade, according to an analysis of the latest data. And that led to a drop in overall life expectancy for the first time since 1993, particularly among people younger than 65.
FACT: People in countries with Universal Health care live longer on average than people in countries without Universal Healthcare.
