The American Miracle...They Called Lincoln everything they are calling Trump...

[2aguy]

I am reading through the Lincoln part of Michael Medved's book on America.....The American Miracle....he relates through his research how the governing class at the time called Lincoln all sorts of names...including buffoon and ape.....and these were his own people....they hated the fact that he came almost from nowhere to capture the Presidency.....the hate for him was real.....and the same as the hate you see for Trump.....

Even McClellan, his general wrote to his wife about how he couldn't stand Lincoln....a General who couldn't fight the democrats on the battlefield .......and allowed the democrats to kick his ass in just about every battle....

And then Lincoln led the country through the worst event in our history, when the democrats tried to separate from the Union so they could keep blacks as slaves.....

The first Republican President, fighting his own party and fighting the democrats both in the North and the South......

Eerily familiar....

The American Miracle: Divine Providence in the Rise of the Republic: Michael Medved: 9780553447262: Amazon.com: Patio, Lawn & Garden

This is what Lincoln had to deal with...

McClellan snubs Lincoln - Nov 13, 1861 - HISTORY.com

On this day in 1861, President Abraham Lincoln pays a late night visit to General George McClellan, who Lincoln had recently named general in chief of the Union army. The general retired to his chambers before speaking with the president.

This was the most famous example of McClellan’s cavalier disregard for the president’s authority. Lincoln had tapped McClellan to head the Army of the Potomac—the main Union army in the East—in July 1861 after the disastrous Union defeat at the First Battle of Bull Run, Virginia. McClellan immediately began to build an effective army, and was elevated to general in chief after Winfield Scott resignedthat fall.

Does this sound like too many republicans today.....

McClellan drew praise for his military initiatives but quickly developed a reputation for his arrogance and contempt toward the political leaders in Washington, D.C. After being named to the top army post, McClellan began openly associating with Democratic leaders in Congress and showing his disregard for the Republican administration.




To his wife,McClellan wrote that Lincoln was “nothing more than a well-meaning baboon,” and Secretary of State William Seward was an “incompetent little puppy.”

 

[gipper]

We can only hope and pray that the Donald is nothing like the tyrant murderer Lincoln.

 

[2aguy]

We can only hope and pray that the Donald is nothing like the tyrant murderer Lincoln.

Lincoln held the Union together and brought about the end of slavery......he didn't start the war, the democrats did....

 

[BlackFlag]

Wrong comparison. OP should look up what was said about Jefferson Davis instead.

 

[gipper]

We can only hope and pray that the Donald is nothing like the tyrant murderer Lincoln.

Lincoln held the Union together and brought about the end of slavery......he didn't start the war, the democrats did....

Yes and at what cost?

850k dead Americans, half the nation destroyed...and he did all to enrich wealthy Republican Oligarchs.

 

[2aguy]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

You think Trump had a rough 6 months.....?

After Lincoln's unseemly arrival, the contempt in the nation's reaction was so widespread, so vicious and so personal that it marks this episode as the historic low point of presidential prestige in the United States.

Even the Northern press winced at the president's undignified start.

Vanity Fair observed, "By the advice of weak men, who should straddle through life in petticoats instead of disgracing such manly garments as pantaloons and coats, the President-elect disguises himself after the manner of heroes in two-shilling novels, and rides secretly, in the deep night, from Harrisburg to Washington."

The Brooklyn Eagle, in a column titled "Mr. Lincoln's Flight by Moonlight Alone," suggested the president deserved "the deepest disgrace that the crushing indignation of a whole people can inflict." The New York Tribune joked darkly, "Mr. Lincoln may live a hundred years without having so good a chance to die."

 

[Care4all]

So you are saying Trump should put his big boy pants on, and stop whining....?

 

[BlackFlag]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

 

[2aguy]

So you are saying Trump should put his big boy pants on, and stop whining....?

No...I am pointing out that sometimes men who are reviled by idiots, are those leaders who actually make a difference in nations history, especially when the future of the country is on the line......

The morons who attacked Lincoln are no different than the establishment republicans attacking Trump....they are fighting him when they should be fighting the democrats....

 

[2aguy]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

No......obama hated this country....Lincoln loved this country......and what they said about Lincoln was a lie....he was a very successful lawyer and had actually done a lot of things in his life.....obama had done nothing even with all the advantages he had.....

 

[2aguy]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

obama wasn't poor....his grandparents were wealthy, and he went to ivy league schools....unlike Lincoln...

 

[BlackFlag]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

No......obama hated this country....Lincoln loved this country......and what they said about Lincoln was a lie....he was a very successful lawyer and had actually done a lot of things in his life.....obama had done nothing even with all the advantages he had.....

"Obama hated this country"

Yeah, that's how a comment starts that you know is going to be followed by complete bullshit

 

[2aguy]

democrats......this is another warning.......everything they said about Lincoln, they are saying about Trump.....and you can see how that turned out for you back then........

 

[2aguy]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

No......obama hated this country....Lincoln loved this country......and what they said about Lincoln was a lie....he was a very successful lawyer and had actually done a lot of things in his life.....obama had done nothing even with all the advantages he had.....

"Obama hated this country"

Yeah, that's how a comment starts that you know is going to be followed by complete bullshit

You don't "fundamentally transform" something that you love....

 

[BlackFlag]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

obama wasn't poor....his grandparents were wealthy, and he went to ivy league schools....unlike Lincoln...

Trump was born into and inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. OOPS there goes your entire thread.

 

[BlackFlag]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

No......obama hated this country....Lincoln loved this country......and what they said about Lincoln was a lie....he was a very successful lawyer and had actually done a lot of things in his life.....obama had done nothing even with all the advantages he had.....

"Obama hated this country"

Yeah, that's how a comment starts that you know is going to be followed by complete bullshit

You don't "fundamentally transform" something that you love....

OOPS Lincoln did that.

There goes your entire thread again.

 

[2aguy]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

obama wasn't poor....his grandparents were wealthy, and he went to ivy league schools....unlike Lincoln...

Trump was born into and inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. OOPS there goes your entire thread.

Nope....that wasn't the point or focus of the thread...that is where you went with obama...that obama came from wealthy grand parents and went to ivy league schools ends your point...not the point of this thread...

 

[2aguy]

This is what Lincoln had to deal with.......sound familiar to what Trump has to deal with?

Evidence for The Unpopular Mr. Lincoln | Civil War Trust

"The illustrious Honest Old Abe has continued during the last week to make a fool of himself and to mortify and shame the intelligent people of this great nation. His speeches have demonstrated the fact that although originally a Herculean rail splitter and more lately a whimsical story teller and side splitter, he is no more capable of becoming a statesman, nay, even a moderate one, than the braying ass can become a noble lion.

People now marvel how it came to pass that Mr. Lincoln should have been selected as the representative man of any party.

His weak, wishy-washy, namby-pamby efforts, imbecile in matter, disgusting in manner, have made us the laughing stock of the whole world.

The European powers will despise us because we have no better material out of which to make a President.

The truth is, Lincoln is only a moderate lawyer and in the larger cities of the Union could pass for no more than a facetious pettifogger.

Take him from his vocation and he loses even these small characteristics and indulges in simple twaddle which would disgrace a well bred school boy."


Written as Abraham Lincoln approached Washington by train for his 1861 presidential inauguration, this tirade was not the rant of a fire-eating secessionist editor in Richmond or New Orleans.

It was the declaration of the Salem Advocate, a newspaper printed in Lincoln's home ground of central Illinois.

The Advocate had plenty of company among Northern opinion makers. The editor of Massachusetts's influential Springfield Republican, Samuel Bowles, despaired in a letter to a friend the same week, "Lincoln is a 'simple Susan.'"


You could almost substitute Trump for Lincoln in these comments....and these are the people of his own party....just like the assholes in the Republican party who attack Trump.....

The most esteemed orator in America, Edward Everett, wrote in his diary: "He is evidently a person of very inferior cast of character, wholly unequal to the crisis."


From Washington, Congressman Charles Francis Adams wrote, "His speeches have fallen like a wet blanket here. They put to flight all notions of greatness." Then, at the end of his journey a few days later, Lincoln was forced to sneak into the capital on a secret midnight train to avoid assassination, disguised in a soft felt hat, a muffler and a short bobtailed coat.

Seems they're bashing him for being too poor, having no experience other than running a small law office, and that he would "disgrace any well bred schoolboy."

Did you mean to type "Obama" in your OP instead of "Trump?"

No......obama hated this country....Lincoln loved this country......and what they said about Lincoln was a lie....he was a very successful lawyer and had actually done a lot of things in his life.....obama had done nothing even with all the advantages he had.....

"Obama hated this country"

Yeah, that's how a comment starts that you know is going to be followed by complete bullshit

You don't "fundamentally transform" something that you love....

OOPS Lincoln did that.

There goes your entire thread again.

He didn't transform the country....he had to fight the democrats who were trying to do that.....

 

[mdk]

You don't "fundamentally transform" something that you love....

Never been married?

 

[Pogo]

They called Lincoln orange?

They called out Lincoln for whiny 4am tweets?

Did Lincoln like to grab 'em by the pussy? Was he into golden showers at the Ritz Carlton Moscow? Was Lincoln sued for a fraud university that preached "you don't sell solutions -- you sell feelings"? And did he then pay off millions to settle it after vowing he never would?

Was Lincoln going to build a wall around the Confederacy and make the rebels pay for it? Did he invite Russia to dig up dirt on the Democrats so he could win?

Did Lincoln say he would "take out their families"?
Or try to ban and/or deport people according to their religion?

Did Lincoln make noises (and pictures) about boinking his own daughter? Or walk in on young teenage girls in their dressing room? Or start whining about "blood" any time a woman called him out for bullshit?

Did Lincoln take out a full page newspaper ad accusing five blacks of a murder, and continue to flog that horse even after they had been exonerated by DNA evidence?

Did Lincoln make up a fake Time Magazine cover with his picture on it to wank his own ego?

Did Lincoln rape his wife, then divorce her, then marry his mistress, then go browsing on her, then divorce her and marry a third, leaving three separate sets of children?

Did Lincoln invent his own fake press agents to leak stories about his extramarital sexual exploits to the press? And did he then admit to doing it in court, and then later deny that he admitted it?

Did Lincoln claim to have been against the Iraq war, when it was already on the record? Did Lincoln claim to have waged his own "personal Vietnam" by dutifully serving in sex clubs while opting out of the military draft because of "bone spurs" that he can't remember where they were?

Did Lincoln punch out his music teacher?

Did Lincoln sit out the Lincoln-Douglas debates because a woman was going to be there, whining "we'll see what the ratings are" ?

How many times did Lincoln go bankrupt? How many times did he then deny having gone bankrupt?
At least his car is still around, right?

Maybe the OP should spend a bit more time reading about what's going on now instead of pseudo-histories from a movie critic. Just an idea.