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The day after never.AZ, GA. PA. WI. The audits are coming. I forgot MI.LOLOLOLOLWe will.LOLStacks of illegal ballots won't convince them? Then they are surely corrupt.I’m sure you will believe that there is “major fraud”, but the courts won’t.We will have to settle for the audits. But when any kind of major fraud discovered will evaporate the conspiracy label.So who then? Who should be in charge of deciding that there was fraud?The people that see it have that right as much as the liars in the media. We know from real journalists that the media does not check on what they are told by the powers that be. They simply repeat it.Who is to make the determination that the evidence is sufficient? You?The mods have taken it on themselves to do so. I, and a lot of other posters have determined you and the mods are pushing the conspiracy theory. And our evidence is stronger than the people who say it did not happen.Who should make these determinations? You?And not giving them a chance to prove it? Which clearly has been in every state in question. FACT.The burden of proof is on those claiming there was wrong-doing.The media, the politicians, the bureaucrats, shills on social media. All saying it did not happen and that is it. No proof, none of them lifting a finger to prove what they say.Which people are you referring to?You have no facts but corrupts peoples say so. Period.My what?Either is yours.Your bullshit isn’t based on fact. It’s very simple.Still no answer.Then you can just be confused as to why all your idiotic nonsense ends up here.Why because the corrupt media and corrupt politicians say so? You don't have any reasons besides arrogant bias.All of your goofy nonsense is conspiracy theory material.I still want to know what makes this a conspiracy theory besides a corrupt government and media saying it is.
Haven’t you figured it out yet? I keep telling you.
And you mean “neither”.
Find me the 923 affidavits that say fraud did not take place.
Should it be you in charge of making that decision?
Um, you dou don't have stacks of illegal ballots.
From where do you imagine those will be found?
When do you think they will wrap it up an announce their findings? Its been more than six months now.
If he was convicted of Impeachment, he could not run again; but that wouldn't make him a felon. A felon has to be convicted in a court of law and such people can run. Technically, a felon in prison could legally run, though it would make campaigning a bitch.I thought if he was convicted or impeached in the Senate then he couldn't run again.Huh? What prevents a convicted felon of running for president, other than a felony of rebelling against the government?Libertarians are just disenfranchised Republicans with a slight twist. Meh.You kaz, i.e., lie, again. You're no libertarian. No real libertarian would have voted for Trump.LOLI don't like what you do Using libertarian to justify Democrat party fascism and totalitarian government and alibiing their racism is pretty pathetic
I'm not really using the term "libertarian" any more. Not on this board. I still think the word has meaning - a radically different meaning than your conception - but words mean what people mean when they use them. And what you mean when you say "libertarian" has, apparently, utterly nothing to do with what I mean when I use the term.
So, to avoid confusion, let me state clearly that whatever it is you mean by "libertarian" - I'm not it. Clear? I want exactly nothing to do with your Trumpster statist idiocy.
What a bunch of useless hot air. And again you disagree with EVERY libertarian on the board and are saying they aren't libertarians and leftists love you. You slap each other on the butt, high five each other and grove all the time. Even Faun, who is one of the most hate filled leftists on the board. He walks up and is like you're great. Mac. The list goes on. They love the Democrat party, they love you.
So, what do I believe that you think isn't small government libertarian? Be specific.
Dayum, it really bothers you that I find some common ground with some libertarians.
Libertarian. That is singular.
And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.
You're not the only totalitarian leftist who likes him. And he doesn't get along either with a single libertarian on the board.
Let him answer the question, I really would like to know how it makes sense that someone formerly called a libertarian resonates only with totalitarians
Another leftist who says I'm not a libertarian ... who can't come up with any examples ...
Yawn
Democrats are just Nazis who miss the 1930s
So let me get this straight. Trump employs all of Hitler's tactics. Nationalism. Racism. Trump even starts his own Beer Hall Putsch. And you have the balls to call us Nazi's?
Hitler went to jail after his failed coup. Let's see if Trump follows the same path.
But also keep in mind Hitler came into power after he was let out of prison. At least in this country you can't run for POTUS if you are a convicted felon. That's why Republicans refuse to impeach him in the Senate.
The day after never.AZ, GA. PA. WI. The audits are coming. I forgot MI.LOLOLOLOLWe will.LOLStacks of illegal ballots won't convince them? Then they are surely corrupt.I’m sure you will believe that there is “major fraud”, but the courts won’t.We will have to settle for the audits. But when any kind of major fraud discovered will evaporate the conspiracy label.So who then? Who should be in charge of deciding that there was fraud?The people that see it have that right as much as the liars in the media. We know from real journalists that the media does not check on what they are told by the powers that be. They simply repeat it.Who is to make the determination that the evidence is sufficient? You?The mods have taken it on themselves to do so. I, and a lot of other posters have determined you and the mods are pushing the conspiracy theory. And our evidence is stronger than the people who say it did not happen.Who should make these determinations? You?And not giving them a chance to prove it? Which clearly has been in every state in question. FACT.The burden of proof is on those claiming there was wrong-doing.The media, the politicians, the bureaucrats, shills on social media. All saying it did not happen and that is it. No proof, none of them lifting a finger to prove what they say.Which people are you referring to?You have no facts but corrupts peoples say so. Period.My what?Either is yours.Your bullshit isn’t based on fact. It’s very simple.Still no answer.Then you can just be confused as to why all your idiotic nonsense ends up here.Why because the corrupt media and corrupt politicians say so? You don't have any reasons besides arrogant bias.All of your goofy nonsense is conspiracy theory material.I still want to know what makes this a conspiracy theory besides a corrupt government and media saying it is.
Haven’t you figured it out yet? I keep telling you.
And you mean “neither”.
Find me the 923 affidavits that say fraud did not take place.
Should it be you in charge of making that decision?
Um, you dou don't have stacks of illegal ballots.
From where do you imagine those will be found?
When do you think they will wrap it up an announce their findings? Its been more than six months now.
Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.Libertarian. That is singular.
And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.
And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?
You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no
I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.
I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL
I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.
Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.
Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.
IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.
That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.
And you consider that something to be proud of?
Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?
Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.
Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.
Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.
Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?
Thousands, not millions...We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.
At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’
Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair
The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.www.breitbart.com
Someone tell me that did not happen.
In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.
How many was it?
New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election
A new bombshell study released by the Government Accountability Institute shows why President Donald Trump’s Advisory Commission on Election Integrity has such an important job ahead of it.www.heritage.org
Oh, for fuck's sake, learn how to Google...If the liberals in charge of the means of information had not worked so hard and so unified to misinform the American public,
there is no telling what the impact could have been.
Trump made serious headway in black males, DESPITE being branded as a ws.
DO you think that NOT being branded as a ws, would have helped or hurt him getting black male votes?
(For one limited example.)
"Means of information".... hehe, are deliberately parroting marxist rhetoric?
It is a phrase that describes the process I witnessed, and am still witnessing.
It is what you've been told to say by your minders.
Actually, I'm pretty sure I came up with that myself. Indeed, I just goggled it, and got nothing.
It is so telling that you libs can't imagine independent thought.
My solution would NOT be government control, though government action such as breaking up monopolies would be part of it.
Understood. Not a government solution, but a government solution. Clear as mud.
It was no lie. He really did call racists "very fine people."Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.Libertarian. That is singular.
And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.
And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?
You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no
I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.
I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL
I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.
Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.
Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.
IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.
That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.
And you consider that something to be proud of?
Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?
Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.
Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.
Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.
My solution would NOT be government control, though government action such as breaking up monopolies would be part of it.
Understood. Not a government solution, but a government solution. Clear as mud.
More lying from you. I see that is all you have.
My point stands. FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.
I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.
I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.
That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.
"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"
Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:
"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."
"And the election is thus not legitimate."
I completely disagree.
DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?
I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"
In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks
On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastrwww.politifact.com
And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.
That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.
That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.
That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.
He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.
You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.
My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.
Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.
My solution would NOT be government control, though government action such as breaking up monopolies would be part of it.
Understood. Not a government solution, but a government solution. Clear as mud.
More lying from you. I see that is all you have.
My point stands. FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
The deception here is from Trump. What country are you from?
It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.
I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.
I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.
That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.
"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"
Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:
"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."
"And the election is thus not legitimate."
I completely disagree.
DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?
I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"
In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks
On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr
And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.
That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.
That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.
That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.
He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.
You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.
My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.
Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.
Trump clearly was on the opinion there were non-ws there, in support of the statues.
You know that. You are choosing to pretend to not know that, to lie.
That is my point.
You people sold the lie that one of the candidates was a fucking WHITE SUPREMACIST.
That made the electorate, not INFORMED AND FREE, but MISINFORMED.
Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
That was thousands not validated. So not so significant. Number of convictions was in the tens.Thousands, not millions...We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.
At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair
The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.
Someone tell me that did not happen.
In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.
How many was it?
New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election
A new bombshell study released by the Government Accountability Institute shows why President Donald Trump’s Advisory Commission on Election Integrity has such an important job ahead of it.
THousands? Mm, starting to sound possibly significant.
What is unconstitutional about using evidence and information from an audit? Unconstitutional to expose fraud?Unconstitutional.We will have to settle for the audits.
For an audit to have any validity whatsoever, it has to be conducted pursuant to established procedures. These clowns are simply destroying the ballots.
ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.
I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.
I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.
That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.
"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"
Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:
"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."
"And the election is thus not legitimate."
I completely disagree.
DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?
I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"
In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks
On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr
And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.
That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.
That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.
That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.
And there's that "gotcha" moment you were going for.
But it's not working out like you've planned. You're proving how brainwashed you truly are. You're so desperate to find some lie to hang on the left so you can ignore all of the truth you're being told because one thing is a lie.
You're simply parroting the spin that the billionaire right wing media has given you about Trump's comments. Yes, he really did say "good people on both sides". There is absolutely no debunking of his statement, except by FOX News lying to you and telling you he never said it.
And if you're prepared to discard what the let is telling you over one purported lie, why don't you discard everything Trump told you because HE lied to you relentlessly? Why don't you discard what FOX News tells you because they lie to you so relentlessly.
Why do you try to push for someone on the left to say something you can call a "lie" and in order to permanently discredit that individual, while accepting the relentless lying from Trump and FOX News?
Your need to characterize my actions as having anything to do with "Fox" or Trump is.... you not getting me at all.
My point stands. The "very fine people" lie has been completely and utterly debunked over and over again.
Yet you people, managed to make it stick. Moderate votes, and minority voters who might have voted for Trump based on a number of factors, were told over and over again, by their news sources, that Trump was, at best, sympathetic to ws.
That is, imo, FRAUD BY DECEPTION, and thus the election was not "free and fair" and thus not legitimate.
AND, that is only HALF of the problem. The other half is the various tools of intimidation, from literal to figurative mobs.
Trump sabotaged his reelection just like he sabotaged his presidency. No amount of lying will fix that or making it someone else's fault.
Your opinion on that is irrelevant to the point I made about the way you people misinformed the voters.
It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.
I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.
I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.
That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.
"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"
Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:
"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."
"And the election is thus not legitimate."
I completely disagree.
DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?
I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"
In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks
On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr
And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.
That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.
That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.
That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.
He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.
You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.
My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.
Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.
Trump clearly was on the opinion there were non-ws there, in support of the statues.
You know that. You are choosing to pretend to not know that, to lie.
That is my point.
You people sold the lie that one of the candidates was a fucking WHITE SUPREMACIST.
That made the electorate, not INFORMED AND FREE, but MISINFORMED.
Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
Like this?
That was thousands not validated. So not so significant. Number of convictions was in the tens.Thousands, not millions...We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.
At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair
The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.
Someone tell me that did not happen.
In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.
How many was it?
New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election
A new bombshell study released by the Government Accountability Institute shows why President Donald Trump’s Advisory Commission on Election Integrity has such an important job ahead of it.
THousands? Mm, starting to sound possibly significant.
Regardless, nowhere near the range of several million. Which is why Trump abandoned his search. He's a pathological liar.
Nope, there were none nor was there any reason to believe there were. It was the Unite the Right rally. A rally by racists to unite various racist groups. It was conceived by racists, promoted by racists, sponsored by racists, and attended by racists. He condemned some racists but called others "very fine people."It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.
I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.
I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.
That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.
"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"
Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:
"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."
"And the election is thus not legitimate."
I completely disagree.
DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?
I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"
In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks
On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr
And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.
That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.
That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.
That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.
He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.
You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.
My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.
Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.
Trump clearly was on the opinion there were non-ws there, in support of the statues.
You know that. You are choosing to pretend to not know that, to lie.
That is my point.
You people sold the lie that one of the candidates was a fucking WHITE SUPREMACIST.
That made the electorate, not INFORMED AND FREE, but MISINFORMED.
Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
qed.Oh it did happen. That is why this thread is not in Conspiracy theories.All of that did not happen.This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.
At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair
The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.
Someone tell me that did not happen.
It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.
I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.
I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.
That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.
"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"
Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:
"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."
"And the election is thus not legitimate."
I completely disagree.
DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?
I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"
In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks
On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr
And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.
That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.
That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.
That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.
He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.
You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.
My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.
Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.
Trump clearly was on the opinion there were non-ws there, in support of the statues.
You know that. You are choosing to pretend to not know that, to lie.
That is my point.
You people sold the lie that one of the candidates was a fucking WHITE SUPREMACIST.
That made the electorate, not INFORMED AND FREE, but MISINFORMED.
Thus, FRAUD BY DECEPTION.
Like this?
Your attempt at deflection is noted.
It is interesting that you choose to NOT address my point. I've made a dramatic claim. A very serious, and radical claim.
If true, it undermines this whole country.
If false, it is a threat of undermining this whole country, on false premises.
ANdd you passed it over to discuss one criminal case?
VERY INTERSTING CHOICE.
What is unconstitutional about using evidence and information from an audit? Unconstitutional to expose fraud?Unconstitutional.We will have to settle for the audits.
For an audit to have any validity whatsoever, it has to be conducted pursuant to established procedures. These clowns are simply destroying the ballots.
ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.
I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.
I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.
That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.
"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"
Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:
"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."
"And the election is thus not legitimate."
I completely disagree.
DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?
I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.
Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"
Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.
Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"
Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."
Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"
Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."
Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"
In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks
On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr
And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.
That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.
That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.
That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.
And there's that "gotcha" moment you were going for.
But it's not working out like you've planned. You're proving how brainwashed you truly are. You're so desperate to find some lie to hang on the left so you can ignore all of the truth you're being told because one thing is a lie.
You're simply parroting the spin that the billionaire right wing media has given you about Trump's comments. Yes, he really did say "good people on both sides". There is absolutely no debunking of his statement, except by FOX News lying to you and telling you he never said it.
And if you're prepared to discard what the let is telling you over one purported lie, why don't you discard everything Trump told you because HE lied to you relentlessly? Why don't you discard what FOX News tells you because they lie to you so relentlessly.
Why do you try to push for someone on the left to say something you can call a "lie" and in order to permanently discredit that individual, while accepting the relentless lying from Trump and FOX News?
Your need to characterize my actions as having anything to do with "Fox" or Trump is.... you not getting me at all.
My point stands. The "very fine people" lie has been completely and utterly debunked over and over again.
Yet you people, managed to make it stick. Moderate votes, and minority voters who might have voted for Trump based on a number of factors, were told over and over again, by their news sources, that Trump was, at best, sympathetic to ws.
That is, imo, FRAUD BY DECEPTION, and thus the election was not "free and fair" and thus not legitimate.
AND, that is only HALF of the problem. The other half is the various tools of intimidation, from literal to figurative mobs.
Trump sabotaged his reelection just like he sabotaged his presidency. No amount of lying will fix that or making it someone else's fault.
Your opinion on that is irrelevant to the point I made about the way you people misinformed the voters.
Facts are always irrelevant to the Trump Cult. The MSM didn't "misinform" voters. On the contrary. FOX News viewers were showing up at hospital with covid and no idea what to expect with hospitalization, they were so misinformed:
Fox Newsâ COVID Denial Hasnât Aged Well
Six months into the pandemic, and as U.S. deaths top 200,000, Trump’s favorite news channel continues to downplay the horrific toll of the crisis.www.vanityfair.com
Opinion | Fox’s Fake News Contagion (Published 2020)
The network spent too long spraying its viewers with false information about the coronavirus pandemic.www.nytimes.com
