The Big Lie

[Seawytch]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

Regarding election fraud? Um, yeah.

Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

Well, thanks for bring this to my attention. This will loom large in my mind, if Trump runs again.

How could you even seriously suggest that Trump knows more about voter fraud than people who work in registrars offices? People who told him there was no widespread fraud. He didn’t listen and started a commission anyway. And what did they find? Exactly what registrars said they would find...nothing.

 

[Correll]

If the liberals in charge of the means of information had not worked so hard and so unified to misinform the American public,

there is no telling what the impact could have been.


Trump made serious headway in black males, DESPITE being branded as a ws.


DO you think that NOT being branded as a ws, would have helped or hurt him getting black male votes?

(For one limited example.)

"Means of information".... hehe, are deliberately parroting marxist rhetoric?

It is a phrase that describes the process I witnessed, and am still witnessing.

 

[Correll]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Yes, we do know. There was no fraud. If you can't find evidence that something that you claim is pervasive, is happening, you're either incompetent or it's not really happening.
...

Which is it? You say it could be that republicans are incompetent, but then you conclude as though that is impossible.


Is that your unstated premise? THat republicans are by definition inherently and always competent?

 

[Dragonlady]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

Regarding election fraud? Um, yeah.

Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

Well, thanks for bring this to my attention. This will loom large in my mind, if Trump runs again.

Why would he run again? We will just steal it from him again. If he was so dangerous that Democrats and Deep State Republicans sabotaged him in 2020 why wouldn't we do it again in 2024?

Why don't you run someone else? And if they lose will you say we stole it again?

OMG I wish I could remember who told me they illegally voted. It was a Republican friend of mine and I can't remember who it was. But like I've said before, Republicans know voter fraud exists because they commit it. If not how else would they know it's possible? Remember election fraud and voter fraud are two different things. Voter fraud doesn't add up to much but election fraud does. Florida 2000 was election fraud. Hanging chads, butterfly ballots, rioting to stop the recount, disinfranchising minority voters by purging them from the lists, hacked Diebold voting machines.

I don't recall Republicans minding in 2000 that elections fraud occurred.

Perhaps you right. Perhaps we are past the point of peaceful political change.

Yes, all of you English as second language Trump Cult members are now promoting violence against the legally elected government of the United States of America. Continuing to undermine the Constitution and faith in elections. Putin must be so proud of all of you.

 

[Dragonlady]

If the liberals in charge of the means of information had not worked so hard and so unified to misinform the American public,

there is no telling what the impact could have been.


Trump made serious headway in black males, DESPITE being branded as a ws.


DO you think that NOT being branded as a ws, would have helped or hurt him getting black male votes?

(For one limited example.)

"Means of information".... hehe, are deliberately parroting marxist rhetoric?

It is a phrase that describes the process I witnessed, and am still witnessing.

It is what you've been told to say by your minders.

 

[surada]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

 

[Correll]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

Regarding election fraud? Um, yeah.

Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

Well, thanks for bring this to my attention. This will loom large in my mind, if Trump runs again.

How could you even seriously suggest that Trump knows more about voter fraud than people who work in registrars offices? People who told him there was no widespread fraud. He didn’t listen and started a commission anyway. And what did they find? Exactly what registrars said they would find...nothing.

i didn't claim that. I accepted your statement.

Trump didn't listen to people telling him what he didn't want to hear?

OK, seawitch, if you are going to keep dropping such truth bombs on me, you've got to give me some warning.

What if I have been standing? Perhaps near a flight of stairs?

HAVE some consideration you cad!

 

[Correll]

If the liberals in charge of the means of information had not worked so hard and so unified to misinform the American public,

there is no telling what the impact could have been.


Trump made serious headway in black males, DESPITE being branded as a ws.


DO you think that NOT being branded as a ws, would have helped or hurt him getting black male votes?

(For one limited example.)

"Means of information".... hehe, are deliberately parroting marxist rhetoric?

It is a phrase that describes the process I witnessed, and am still witnessing.

It is what you've been told to say by your minders.

Actually, I'm pretty sure I came up with that myself. Indeed, I just goggled it, and got nothing.

It is so telling that you libs can't imagine independent thought.

 

[dblack]

If the liberals in charge of the means of information had not worked so hard and so unified to misinform the American public,

there is no telling what the impact could have been.


Trump made serious headway in black males, DESPITE being branded as a ws.


DO you think that NOT being branded as a ws, would have helped or hurt him getting black male votes?

(For one limited example.)

"Means of information".... hehe, are deliberately parroting marxist rhetoric?

It is a phrase that describes the process I witnessed, and am still witnessing.

So, do you think government should control the "means of information", in the same way socialists want the state to control the "means of production"?

 

[Faun]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."

 

[dblack]

If the liberals in charge of the means of information had not worked so hard and so unified to misinform the American public,

there is no telling what the impact could have been.


Trump made serious headway in black males, DESPITE being branded as a ws.


DO you think that NOT being branded as a ws, would have helped or hurt him getting black male votes?

(For one limited example.)

"Means of information".... hehe, are deliberately parroting marxist rhetoric?

It is a phrase that describes the process I witnessed, and am still witnessing.

It is what you've been told to say by your minders.

Actually, I'm pretty sure I came up with that myself.

I think you may have a valid claim. You sir, have started a meme! And a truly perfect meme at that. Irony is so sweet.

 

[Correll]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

Regarding election fraud? Um, yeah.

Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

Well, thanks for bring this to my attention. This will loom large in my mind, if Trump runs again.

Why would he run again? We will just steal it from him again. If he was so dangerous that Democrats and Deep State Republicans sabotaged him in 2020 why wouldn't we do it again in 2024?

Why don't you run someone else? And if they lose will you say we stole it again?

OMG I wish I could remember who told me they illegally voted. It was a Republican friend of mine and I can't remember who it was. But like I've said before, Republicans know voter fraud exists because they commit it. If not how else would they know it's possible? Remember election fraud and voter fraud are two different things. Voter fraud doesn't add up to much but election fraud does. Florida 2000 was election fraud. Hanging chads, butterfly ballots, rioting to stop the recount, disinfranchising minority voters by purging them from the lists, hacked Diebold voting machines.

I don't recall Republicans minding in 2000 that elections fraud occurred.

Perhaps you right. Perhaps we are past the point of peaceful political change.

Yes, all of you English as second language Trump Cult members are now promoting violence against the legally elected government of the United States of America. Continuing to undermine the Constitution and faith in elections. Putin must be so proud of all of you.

Err, I'm talking about the next election, it is the lib arguing that that can't work. I am reluctantly conceding that he might have a point.


You seem to be the one pushing for war.

 

[Correll]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

 

[Correll]

If the liberals in charge of the means of information had not worked so hard and so unified to misinform the American public,

there is no telling what the impact could have been.


Trump made serious headway in black males, DESPITE being branded as a ws.


DO you think that NOT being branded as a ws, would have helped or hurt him getting black male votes?

(For one limited example.)

"Means of information".... hehe, are deliberately parroting marxist rhetoric?

It is a phrase that describes the process I witnessed, and am still witnessing.

So, do you think government should control the "means of information", in the same way socialists want the state to control the "means of production"?

My point was the abuse of those who control it now.

My solution would NOT be government control, though government action such as breaking up monopolies would be part of it.


PRIMARILY, what needs to happen is that we, the American people, need to stop believing the shit those people shovel.

 

[sealybobo]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Remember Michael Cohen went to jail but Trump didn't?

Remember Billy Bush lost his job but Trump went on to win the presidency?

Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg under criminal tax investigation by New York attorney general​

• The investigation comes as prosecutors in the Manhattan District Attorney’s office have eyed Weisselberg and his adult sons in their own criminal probe of former President Donald Trump and the Trump Organization.
• News of the probe comes two days after Attorney General Letitia James’ spokesman said her office was investigating the Trump Organization in “a criminal capacity.”

misstated the value of real estate properties for financial benefit.

Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg under criminal tax investigation by New York attorney general

Longtime Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg is under criminal investigation, as is former President Donald Trump.

www.cnbc.com

 

[surada]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

Yes I am proud because everything horrible they said about her was true. She has balls to show up I'll give her that.

Literally, I think she has balls. Have you seen her adams apple?

Your hate has made you ...disgusting and irrational.

Trump is famous for revenge.. That's what he's doing now.. If he loses he destroys people, political parties etc.

Sorry, in a world where you people sold the "very fine people" lie, I have no reason to believe anything any of you say about Trump.

Trump said there are fine people on both sides. Are you an American?

Trump is a sell out..

Defendant, who prosecutors say stormed Capitol in a QAnon shirt, says he 'fell victim' to conspiracies and was fed 'a pack of lies' by Trump

 

[Correll]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."

He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.

You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.


My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.

Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.

 

[Faun]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Thousands, not millions...

New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election

A new bombshell study released by the Government Accountability Institute shows why President Donald Trump’s Advisory Commission on Election Integrity has such an important job ahead of it.

www.heritage.org

 

[dblack]

My solution would NOT be government control, though government action such as breaking up monopolies would be part of it.

Understood. Not a government solution, but a government solution. Clear as mud.

 

[Faun]

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.


That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.


That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

It was no lie, ya piece of shit. There was a rally of various racist rightwing groups, including, but not limited to, neonazis, neoconfederate, kkk, white nationalists and other assorted white supremacists. He condemned some of them but said others among them were "very fine people."

He clearly and explicitly stated that he was not referring to ws, but to the NON-ws who were there.

You know that. It has been repeatedly explained to you. YOU ARE LYING RIGHT NOW.


My point stands. IF the American voter had not been lied to, on such an epic scale, the vote would have been very different.

Different enough that the lie is effectively Fraud by Deception.

It was a racist rally, ya dumbfuck. There were no "NON-ws" there. There were no "very fine people" among the racists.