The Big Lie

[surada]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

 

[surada]

I still want to know what makes this a conspiracy theory besides a corrupt government and media saying it is.

All of your goofy nonsense is conspiracy theory material.

Haven’t you figured it out yet? I keep telling you.

Why because the corrupt media and corrupt politicians say so? You don't have any reasons besides arrogant bias.

Then you can just be confused as to why all your idiotic nonsense ends up here.

Still no answer.

Your bullshit isn’t based on fact. It’s very simple.

Either is yours.

My what?

And you mean “neither”.

You have no facts but corrupts peoples say so. Period.

Which people are you referring to?

The media, the politicians, the bureaucrats, shills on social media. All saying it did not happen and that is it. No proof, none of them lifting a finger to prove what they say.

The burden of proof is on those claiming there was wrong-doing.

And not giving them a chance to prove it? Which clearly has been in every state in question. FACT.

Who should make these determinations? You?

The mods have taken it on themselves to do so. I, and a lot of other posters have determined you and the mods are pushing the conspiracy theory. And our evidence is stronger than the people who say it did not happen.

Find me the 923 affidavits that say fraud did not take place.

Who is to make the determination that the evidence is sufficient? You?

The people that see it have that right as much as the liars in the media. We know from real journalists that the media does not check on what they are told by the powers that be. They simply repeat it.

So who then? Who should be in charge of deciding that there was fraud?

Should it be you in charge of making that decision?

We will have to settle for the audits. But when any kind of major fraud discovered will evaporate the conspiracy label.

I’m sure you will believe that there is “major fraud”, but the courts won’t.

Stacks of illegal ballots won't convince them? Then they are surely corrupt.

LOL

Um, you dou don't have stacks of illegal ballots.

We will.

LOLOLOLOL

From where do you imagine those will be found?

AZ, GA. PA. WI. The audits are coming. I forgot MI.

When do you think they will wrap it up an announce their findings? Its been more than six months now.

 

[Correll]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

 

[surada]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

 

[Correll]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

 

[sealybobo]

I don't like what you do Using libertarian to justify Democrat party fascism and totalitarian government and alibiing their racism is pretty pathetic

I'm not really using the term "libertarian" any more. Not on this board. I still think the word has meaning - a radically different meaning than your conception - but words mean what people mean when they use them. And what you mean when you say "libertarian" has, apparently, utterly nothing to do with what I mean when I use the term.

So, to avoid confusion, let me state clearly that whatever it is you mean by "libertarian" - I'm not it. Clear? I want exactly nothing to do with your Trumpster statist idiocy.

What a bunch of useless hot air. And again you disagree with EVERY libertarian on the board and are saying they aren't libertarians and leftists love you. You slap each other on the butt, high five each other and grove all the time. Even Faun, who is one of the most hate filled leftists on the board. He walks up and is like you're great. Mac. The list goes on. They love the Democrat party, they love you.

So, what do I believe that you think isn't small government libertarian? Be specific.

LOL

Dayum, it really bothers you that I find some common ground with some libertarians.

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

You're not the only totalitarian leftist who likes him. And he doesn't get along either with a single libertarian on the board.

Let him answer the question, I really would like to know how it makes sense that someone formerly called a libertarian resonates only with totalitarians

You kaz, i.e., lie, again. You're no libertarian. No real libertarian would have voted for Trump.

Another leftist who says I'm not a libertarian ... who can't come up with any examples ...

Yawn

Libertarians are just disenfranchised Republicans with a slight twist. Meh.

Democrats are just Nazis who miss the 1930s

So let me get this straight. Trump employs all of Hitler's tactics. Nationalism. Racism. Trump even starts his own Beer Hall Putsch. And you have the balls to call us Nazi's?

Hitler went to jail after his failed coup. Let's see if Trump follows the same path.

But also keep in mind Hitler came into power after he was let out of prison. At least in this country you can't run for POTUS if you are a convicted felon. That's why Republicans refuse to impeach him in the Senate.

Huh? What prevents a convicted felon of running for president, other than a felony of rebelling against the government?

I thought if he was convicted or impeached in the Senate then he couldn't run again.

 

[sealybobo]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

 

[sealybobo]

Where, exactly, is it that you don't feel you have fair representation? You have ALL the radio stations (despite there absolutely being a demand for liberal talk radio) and you have more than a few television stations dedicated solely to spreading your propaganda. The internet is available to all equally. Where is it that your "voice" isn't being heard? No where. Empty whine.

Republicans want to control the narrative. So they've been saying for years the media is liberal even when in the 90's it got deregulated and gobbled up by 8 corporations. They believe the media is lying to them but they refuse to believe that maybe it's the rich and powerful who are lying to them. Not liberals.

We all know Republicans use racism god gays and guns to win votes right? So perhaps the corporate media is pushing a liberal social agenda to rile up it's base. Who's it's base? White racist conservative republicans.

God you're a flaming hypocrite. Fox presents BOTH SIDES and your fake news presents ONLY YOUR SIDE. And yet you won't stop with the talking points that Republicans want to control the narrative, while your side again presents ONE SIDE and Republicans present and listen to both

Fox presents both sides now?

They always have. Leftists are on Fox all day. How do you possibly not know that? Do you ever watch anything but CNN and MSNBC?

Fox has a resident pinhead liberal in Juan Williams. He can twist any issue involving politics. His only redeeming value is his incessant spewing of laughable liberal bullshit spins.

So he isn't properly representing liberals?

 

[Correll]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

 

[sealybobo]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

 

[Correll]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

I think you might be underestimating the number of libertarians who are motivated by opposition to cultural or social norms.

Quite a lot of drug legalization types. Ann Coulter ran into some of that, when there was some discussion of having her run on a Libertarian ticket.

Yea that's a great example of how libertarians are just like Republicans only they are for legalizing pot. sorry that's not enough to make me like their mostly Republican/conservative policies.

Ann Coulter is a horrible person. Ever see her get roasted on Comedy Central? Funny shit. They tore her apart.

IF the Libertarians were just like republicans like you claim, they would have been happy with Ann. The plan feel apart.


That roast? That was your people revealing themselves to be animals. Yes. They did tear her apart. Wow. What an accomplishment. A bunch of people get together and insult the shit out of a woman who is massively outnumbered.


And you consider that something to be proud of?

 

[Dragonlady]

We will have to settle for the audits.

Unconstitutional.

What is unconstitutional about using evidence and information from an audit? Unconstitutional to expose fraud?

For an audit to have any validity whatsoever, it has to be conducted pursuant to established procedures. These clowns are simply destroying the ballots.

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.

That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.

That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

And there's that "gotcha" moment you were going for.

But it's not working out like you've planned. You're proving how brainwashed you truly are. You're so desperate to find some lie to hang on the left so you can ignore all of the truth you're being told because one thing is a lie.

You're simply parroting the spin that the billionaire right wing media has given you about Trump's comments. Yes, he really did say "good people on both sides". There is absolutely no debunking of his statement, except by FOX News lying to you and telling you he never said it.

And if you're prepared to discard what the let is telling you over one purported lie, why don't you discard everything Trump told you because HE lied to you relentlessly? Why don't you discard what FOX News tells you because they lie to you so relentlessly.

Why do you try to push for someone on the left to say something you can call a "lie" and in order to permanently discredit that individual, while accepting the relentless lying from Trump and FOX News?

 

[dblack]

Libertarian. That is singular.

And it's unclear how dblack is a libertarian, that's why I asked him.

And I answered. You're not listening. As far as you're concerned - I'm not a libertarian. Clear?

You said you don't call yourself a libertarian. I asked what your views are. Just asking for a summary. Saying you don't call yourself a libertarian anymore doesn't answer that, no

A libertarian is just a spin off of Republican. Small government, less taxes, less regulations, less socialism like they would do away with public schools and social security/medicare.

I could go on and on but bottom line is they are Republicans.

I'm not a Democrat I'm a Curfuffle. I'm pro choice, believe in global warming, like public schools and unions, etc....but I don't like Democrats border policies so now I'm a Curfuffle. Not a Democrat. LOL

Sounds like Curfuffles are just spin-off Democrats, without the courage of their convictions.

 

[Seawytch]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

 

[Correll]

We will have to settle for the audits.

Unconstitutional.

What is unconstitutional about using evidence and information from an audit? Unconstitutional to expose fraud?

For an audit to have any validity whatsoever, it has to be conducted pursuant to established procedures. These clowns are simply destroying the ballots.

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.

That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.

That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

And there's that "gotcha" moment you were going for.

But it's not working out like you've planned. You're proving how brainwashed you truly are. You're so desperate to find some lie to hang on the left so you can ignore all of the truth you're being told because one thing is a lie.

You're simply parroting the spin that the billionaire right wing media has given you about Trump's comments. Yes, he really did say "good people on both sides". There is absolutely no debunking of his statement, except by FOX News lying to you and telling you he never said it.

And if you're prepared to discard what the let is telling you over one purported lie, why don't you discard everything Trump told you because HE lied to you relentlessly? Why don't you discard what FOX News tells you because they lie to you so relentlessly.

Why do you try to push for someone on the left to say something you can call a "lie" and in order to permanently discredit that individual, while accepting the relentless lying from Trump and FOX News?

Your need to characterize my actions as having anything to do with "Fox" or Trump is.... you not getting me at all.


My point stands. The "very fine people" lie has been completely and utterly debunked over and over again.


Yet you people, managed to make it stick. Moderate votes, and minority voters who might have voted for Trump based on a number of factors, were told over and over again, by their news sources, that Trump was, at best, sympathetic to ws.

That is, imo, FRAUD BY DECEPTION, and thus the election was not "free and fair" and thus not legitimate.


AND, that is only HALF of the problem. The other half is the various tools of intimidation, from literal to figurative mobs.

 

[Seawytch]

We will have to settle for the audits.

Unconstitutional.

What is unconstitutional about using evidence and information from an audit? Unconstitutional to expose fraud?

For an audit to have any validity whatsoever, it has to be conducted pursuant to established procedures. These clowns are simply destroying the ballots.

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.

That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.

That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

And there's that "gotcha" moment you were going for.

But it's not working out like you've planned. You're proving how brainwashed you truly are. You're so desperate to find some lie to hang on the left so you can ignore all of the truth you're being told because one thing is a lie.

You're simply parroting the spin that the billionaire right wing media has given you about Trump's comments. Yes, he really did say "good people on both sides". There is absolutely no debunking of his statement, except by FOX News lying to you and telling you he never said it.

And if you're prepared to discard what the let is telling you over one purported lie, why don't you discard everything Trump told you because HE lied to you relentlessly? Why don't you discard what FOX News tells you because they lie to you so relentlessly.

Why do you try to push for someone on the left to say something you can call a "lie" and in order to permanently discredit that individual, while accepting the relentless lying from Trump and FOX News?

Your need to characterize my actions as having anything to do with "Fox" or Trump is.... you not getting me at all.


My point stands. The "very fine people" lie has been completely and utterly debunked over and over again.


Yet you people, managed to make it stick. Moderate votes, and minority voters who might have voted for Trump based on a number of factors, were told over and over again, by their news sources, that Trump was, at best, sympathetic to ws.

That is, imo, FRAUD BY DECEPTION, and thus the election was not "free and fair" and thus not legitimate.


AND, that is only HALF of the problem. The other half is the various tools of intimidation, from literal to figurative mobs.

Wait...this is a new tact for the Trumplicans I think. Donald Trump, the biggest liar in the history of United States presidents, allegedly lost because you perceive people lied about what he said in Charlottesville? All they did was play tape of him

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses now.

 

[Correll]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

 

[Seawytch]

This is not a conspiracy. These are things that have happened. THAT MAKES THEM FACTS.

Pollak: The Real 'Big Lie' Is That the 2020 Election Was Free and Fair

The real "Big Lie" is that the 2020 election was free and fair, when it was marred by rule changes, censorship, and political violence.

www.breitbart.com

At the same time, I noted, the 2020 presidential election violated internationally accepted criteria for a free and fair election. “Voters were denied the ‘absolute’ right to a secret ballot [through flawed vote-by-mail systems]. They were denied ‘equal opportunity of access to the media, particularly the mass communications media, in order to put forward their political views.’ They were denied ‘security with respect to their lives and property.’ And they were denied “freedom of movement, assembly, association and expression.’

Someone tell me that did not happen.

Maybe we should bring back the fairness doctrine.

We should not do what Democrats did after 2016, and spend four years chasing conspiracy theories.

In 2016 Trump claimed that 3-5 million illegals vote, That too was a lie.

How many was it?

Trump ordered a commission to find the evidence.. The commission was disbanded for lack of evidence.

So, you don't know?

Trump has been claiming elections are rigged for years. He's been claiming since the 1970s that the system is rigged against him. LOLOL Why on earth would you believe anything he says?

you made a claim that a certain number was a lie. To make that claim, you have to have some idea what the real number was.


So, what was it?

Or have you just been talking shit?

The "real" number is significantly lower. In 15 years working at a California registrars office I have had exactly two non citizens that voted. One was a young dreamer who was not aware of their immigration status another was a Canadian on a visa. There is not a pandemic of non citizens voting.

Are you seriously claiming, that a former real estate tycoon, does not have a firm grasp of the information and experiences that the staff of a registrars office has?

Seriously?!!

Regarding election fraud? Um, yeah.

 

[surada]

We will have to settle for the audits.

Unconstitutional.

What is unconstitutional about using evidence and information from an audit? Unconstitutional to expose fraud?

For an audit to have any validity whatsoever, it has to be conducted pursuant to established procedures. These clowns are simply destroying the ballots.

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.

That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.

That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

And there's that "gotcha" moment you were going for.

But it's not working out like you've planned. You're proving how brainwashed you truly are. You're so desperate to find some lie to hang on the left so you can ignore all of the truth you're being told because one thing is a lie.

You're simply parroting the spin that the billionaire right wing media has given you about Trump's comments. Yes, he really did say "good people on both sides". There is absolutely no debunking of his statement, except by FOX News lying to you and telling you he never said it.

And if you're prepared to discard what the let is telling you over one purported lie, why don't you discard everything Trump told you because HE lied to you relentlessly? Why don't you discard what FOX News tells you because they lie to you so relentlessly.

Why do you try to push for someone on the left to say something you can call a "lie" and in order to permanently discredit that individual, while accepting the relentless lying from Trump and FOX News?

Your need to characterize my actions as having anything to do with "Fox" or Trump is.... you not getting me at all.


My point stands. The "very fine people" lie has been completely and utterly debunked over and over again.


Yet you people, managed to make it stick. Moderate votes, and minority voters who might have voted for Trump based on a number of factors, were told over and over again, by their news sources, that Trump was, at best, sympathetic to ws.

That is, imo, FRAUD BY DECEPTION, and thus the election was not "free and fair" and thus not legitimate.


AND, that is only HALF of the problem. The other half is the various tools of intimidation, from literal to figurative mobs.

Wait...this is a new tact for the Trumplicans I think. Donald Trump, the biggest liar in the history of United States presidents, allegedly lost because you perceive people lied about what he said in Charlottesville? All they did was play tape of him

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses now.

Trump is a liar and a crook so he thinks everyone is a liar and a crook. Look how he went after Gov Kemp. Trump has NO clue about swearing an oath to the Constitution. He thinks all that is for sale.

 

[surada]

We will have to settle for the audits.

Unconstitutional.

What is unconstitutional about using evidence and information from an audit? Unconstitutional to expose fraud?

For an audit to have any validity whatsoever, it has to be conducted pursuant to established procedures. These clowns are simply destroying the ballots.

ou said that the "means by which the rabid right" got it's information was not effected.

I agreed with the point, though I dropped your partisan spin.

I went on to make a point that my original concern was more about the more moderate voters.


That was not a "backhanded insult". That was my conceding your point. There was no insult at all.

"might have learned to ignore the propaganda spouted by people like you"

Then you besmirch and sow mistrust of my fellow Americans and try to instill faithlessness in our democratic elections with:

"they are not an informed electorate, but a MISINFORMED electorate."

"And the election is thus not legitimate."

I completely disagree.

DO you believe that President Trump said that ws were "very fine people"?

I don't have to believe what he said, we have recordings.

Reporter: "Mr. President, are you putting what you’re calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?"

Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner........"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

And thank you for proving my point that you people are the ones pushing propaganda and lies.

That you can stand by that lie, after it has been so repeatedly and completely debunked, shows that you are beyond saving.

That you people SUCCESSFULLY pushed that lie, and made it stick, is incredible.

That the American voters, as a group, were SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO THAT THE US PRESIDENT WAS SYMPATHETIC TO WHITE SUPREMACISTS, MAKES THE ELECTORATE MISINFORMED AND THE ELECTION ILLEGETIMATE.

And there's that "gotcha" moment you were going for.

But it's not working out like you've planned. You're proving how brainwashed you truly are. You're so desperate to find some lie to hang on the left so you can ignore all of the truth you're being told because one thing is a lie.

You're simply parroting the spin that the billionaire right wing media has given you about Trump's comments. Yes, he really did say "good people on both sides". There is absolutely no debunking of his statement, except by FOX News lying to you and telling you he never said it.

And if you're prepared to discard what the let is telling you over one purported lie, why don't you discard everything Trump told you because HE lied to you relentlessly? Why don't you discard what FOX News tells you because they lie to you so relentlessly.

Why do you try to push for someone on the left to say something you can call a "lie" and in order to permanently discredit that individual, while accepting the relentless lying from Trump and FOX News?

Your need to characterize my actions as having anything to do with "Fox" or Trump is.... you not getting me at all.


My point stands. The "very fine people" lie has been completely and utterly debunked over and over again.


Yet you people, managed to make it stick. Moderate votes, and minority voters who might have voted for Trump based on a number of factors, were told over and over again, by their news sources, that Trump was, at best, sympathetic to ws.

That is, imo, FRAUD BY DECEPTION, and thus the election was not "free and fair" and thus not legitimate.


AND, that is only HALF of the problem. The other half is the various tools of intimidation, from literal to figurative mobs.

Trump sabotaged his reelection just like he sabotaged his presidency. No amount of lying will fix that or making it someone else's fault.