The Death Penalty is an example of Conservative Hypocrisy

[Smilodonfatalis]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

 

[velvtacheeze]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

The average conservative supports the death penalty so much that they'd rather innocent men be executed than the death penalty be done away with for good.

And yes, their belief that government is mistake-prone and too incompetent to be trusted except when carrying out an execution, when government suddenly becomes infallible, is laughable. Conservatism is laughable.

 

[DiamondDave]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

Perhaps you should research a bit more..

Yes... government does much inefficiently and conservatives want less government because it has grown beyond what it is supposed to be...

Competence is not the biggest problem in government.. and your blatant twist to what conservatives champion pretty much leads to the conclusion that you are just the latest in line coming to boards to spout off crap without any true understanding of what you are saying.. you have a preconceived agenda that is quite obvious

What it seems you are doubting more is the science that others like you claim to be infallible in other areas (let's just throw global warming into the fray as an example of that)... For it is generally the scientific evidence that lands someone on death row.. you simply are not going to get a death sentence without proven DNA evidence at this point

 

[Katzndogz]

There really is certainty in most death penalty sentences. The suggestion that Ted Bundy, William Bonin, Richard Ramirez, Larry Bittaker, Roy Norris, are innocent is so ridiculous it doesn't even bear consideration.

Richard Speck did not get the death penalty because he was convicted in a jurisdiction that did not have the death penalty. We paid for his breast implants to make him more desirable to fellow inmates, he is able to enjoy himself with the drugs smuggled into prison. In a SANE world he would have gotten the death penalty.

 

[Redfish]

Why do liberals support the murder of innocent unborn children but object to the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Now, that is hypocrisy.

 

[Meathead]

There really is certainty in most death penalty sentences. The suggestion that Ted Bundy, William Bonin, Richard Ramirez, Larry Bittaker, Roy Norris, are innocent is so ridiculous it doesn't even bear consideration.

Richard Speck did not get the death penalty because he was convicted in a jurisdiction that did not have the death penalty. We paid for his breast implants to make him more desirable to fellow inmates, he is able to enjoy himself with the drugs smuggled into prison. In a SANE world he would have gotten the death penalty.

Speck was sentenced to death. SCOTUS reversed his sentence then put a moratorium on the death penalty in the early 70s. Norris did not get the death penalty though Bittaker did.

Here's the prison video of Speck, truly a sick fuck.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fckeakemmc]La cinta Speck - YouTube[/ame]

 

[velvtacheeze]

Why do liberals support the murder of innocent unborn children but object to the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Now, that is hypocrisy.

It's not your business if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant.

 

[FA_Q2]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

First off, you have no actual concept of what you are talking about. Generally, this is what happens when you demand that others are using logic that you prescribe them rather than their actual thought.

The government is about as incompetent as it gets and that is why the entire judicial system is weighted against death row. You talk about confessions like that is the cornerstone of landing on death row. This is a fallacy. The amount of evidence that is required to put a person on death row is huge and grows as our ability to gather it grows. In the past, mistakes have been made. That’s how the world works because it is not perfect.

Conservatives support the death penalty generally (not always) because they believe in the rule of law. Once you have gone so far and caused so much suffering of others, there simply is no point in keeping you alive in a cage. Murder multiple children? Guess what, you are not worth keeping alive.

There is no hypocrisy there. Just a fundamental difference in opinion. I find no purpose in the continued support for those that have blatantly murdered and maimed others.

BTW – getting people to lie about an act is NOT a good indication that torture is not needed. As a matter of fact, the largest reason why torture is not needed is because it leads to exactly that, people lying to make the pain stop. It is a useless interrogation tool.

 

[Katzndogz]

There really is certainty in most death penalty sentences. The suggestion that Ted Bundy, William Bonin, Richard Ramirez, Larry Bittaker, Roy Norris, are innocent is so ridiculous it doesn't even bear consideration.

Richard Speck did not get the death penalty because he was convicted in a jurisdiction that did not have the death penalty. We paid for his breast implants to make him more desirable to fellow inmates, he is able to enjoy himself with the drugs smuggled into prison. In a SANE world he would have gotten the death penalty.

Speck was sentenced to death. SCOTUS reversed his sentence then put a moratorium on the death penalty in the early 70s. Norris did not get the death penalty though Bittaker did.

Here's the prison video of Speck, truly a sick fuck.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fckeakemmc]La cinta Speck - YouTube[/ame]

How COULD I have forgotten, I worked on the Norris Bittaker case but only in the last few days.

 

[Redfish]

Why do liberals support the murder of innocent unborn children but object to the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Now, that is hypocrisy.

It's not your business if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant.

Its the business of that unborn human being that she is choosing to kill.

If she does not want to be pregnant, she should keep her legs together.

 

[velvtacheeze]

Why do liberals support the murder of innocent unborn children but object to the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Now, that is hypocrisy.

It's not your business if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant.

Its the business of that unborn human being that she is choosing to kill.

If she does not want to be pregnant, she should keep her legs together.

It's not your business what she does. Mind yer bidness, boy.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

[/Quote} Perhaps you should research a bit more..

Yes... government does much inefficiently and conservatives want less government because it has grown beyond what it is supposed to be...

Competence is not the biggest problem in government.. and your blatant twist to what conservatives champion pretty much leads to the conclusion that you are just the latest in line coming to boards to spout off crap without any true understanding of what you are saying.. you have a preconceived agenda that is quite obvious

What it seems you are doubting more is the science that others like you claim to be infallible in other areas (let's just throw global warming into the fray as an example of that)... For it is generally the scientific evidence that lands someone on death row.. you simply are not going to get a death sentence without proven DNA evidence at this point[/QUOTE]

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What exactly have I twisted?

The science of criminology is not infallible. There is always some doubt. DNA can get contaminated for example. Corrupt criminologists can even fake DNA evidence as occurred in Texas a few years back.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Why do liberals support the murder of innocent unborn children but object to the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Now, that is hypocrisy.

You are making the false assumption that a zygote is the equivalent of a human being. That is illogical.

 

[NoNukes]

There really is certainty in most death penalty sentences. The suggestion that Ted Bundy, William Bonin, Richard Ramirez, Larry Bittaker, Roy Norris, are innocent is so ridiculous it doesn't even bear consideration.

Richard Speck did not get the death penalty because he was convicted in a jurisdiction that did not have the death penalty. We paid for his breast implants to make him more desirable to fellow inmates, he is able to enjoy himself with the drugs smuggled into prison. In a SANE world he would have gotten the death penalty.

The sane world has no capital punishment.

 

[Katzndogz]

Why do liberals support the murder of innocent unborn children but object to the death penalty for convicted murderers?

Now, that is hypocrisy.

It's not your business if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant.

It's not your business if a man wants to kill his wife, or his next door neighbor, or a bunch of people at a marathon in a city you don't even live in.

 

[PredFan]

Wow, this has got to be the front-runner for Fail Post of the Year.

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent.

We don't say that we don't believe in government, we say that government should be limited.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

the government doesn't sentence people to death, juries and judges do.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

There is no hypocrisy to reconcile, you're just a dumbass.

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

See above.

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Wow, from strawman to hyperbole in record time!

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

No death sentence is based solely on confessions. There is motive, physical and circimstantial evidence as well.

You're not too bright are you. Probably why you're a liberal. Most liberals are quite ignorant.

 

[PredFan]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

The average conservative supports the death penalty so much that they'd rather innocent men be executed than the death penalty be done away with for good.

And yes, their belief that government is mistake-prone and too incompetent to be trusted except when carrying out an execution, when government suddenly becomes infallible, is laughable. Conservatism is laughable.

You're called velvtacheese because that's what you have between your ears, am I right?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The government doesn't sentence people to death. A jury of AMERICAN PEOPLE do.

End thread.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Conservatives always loudly trumpet how they don't believe in government because it is incompetent. They believe the less government, the better...etc.

But, when it comes to the government sentencing people to death, they are all for it.

How do conservatives reconcile this hypocrisy?

If they don't trust the government, and don't believe government is competent, how can they trust the government to execute the right person?

Many studies have discovered numerous examples of innocent people sitting on death row. Police use the Reid Method of Interrogation. With this manner of brainwashing, they can convince the average person to confess to being the son of Sam in less than 12 hours. (Which BTW, is evidence that torture is not necessary--if they can get innocent people to confess, they surely can get guilty people to give them pertinent info.)

Even with confessions, there is no certainty that people sentenced to death are guilty.

Competence is not the biggest problem in government.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh.....the subject was......

....The DEATH PENALTY....

.....Skippy.

 

[FA_Q2]

There really is certainty in most death penalty sentences. The suggestion that Ted Bundy, William Bonin, Richard Ramirez, Larry Bittaker, Roy Norris, are innocent is so ridiculous it doesn't even bear consideration.

Richard Speck did not get the death penalty because he was convicted in a jurisdiction that did not have the death penalty. We paid for his breast implants to make him more desirable to fellow inmates, he is able to enjoy himself with the drugs smuggled into prison. In a SANE world he would have gotten the death penalty.

The sane world has no capital punishment.

Because anyone that disagrees with your political view is obviously insane.

And you wonder why politics is such a divided mess recently. There are too many people like you.