'The dictionary definition of fascism': Conservative columnist condemns Donald Trump's MAGA 'cult'

[surada]

No one is discussing their politics shit head. Or maybe you are trying to say that Nazi Germany was not a dictatorship. It was right wing.

Yep. Hitler purged the German government of socialists, communists, Jews and Democrats in 1933.

 

[busybee01]

The source is run by has been Never Trumpers. They are pawns for the MIC. Only people who hate this country pay them any mind at all. So your post is predictable garbage, like usual.

You are the predictable garbage. You are the pawns who hate anyone who does not look like you.

 

[Clipper]

Most people are unhappy with this dementia patient in charge, and they think about it every time they get gasoline, go grocery shopping, or can't get products they want. His only hope is to energize his base and that was his goal last night. After all, it doesn't matter how far down in the polls you are. If you can get every single supporter of yours to vote, you can still win an election, or in this case, minimize the damage.

So how can you get most of your constituency voting? Use hate. Hate is the devils tool which explains that background during his hate speech.

You still want trump back in even though he's gone full blown retard since he had his ass beat in 2020.

Take a walk.

 

[2aguy]

No one is discussing their politics shit head. Or maybe you are trying to say that Nazi Germany was not a dictatorship. It was right wing.

It was left wing...it was socialism...you morons can lie all day but you can't hide the truth anymore.....

Two actual economists explain it for you....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

 

[busybee01]

To sum up fascism, it's basically a dictatorship or authoritarianism. That's what the Democrat party is all about.

Who is making it harder to vote? Republicans.
Who is enforcing their morality at us at the point of a gun? Republicans.
Who is attempting to intimidate voters. Republicans.

You are the Nazis.

 

[Polishprince]

Yep. Hitler purged the German government of socialists, communists, Jews and Democrats in 1933.

Hitler was not just liberal, he was ultra-liberal.

National Socialist Germany had Hitlercare, a risky socialized medicine scheme, as well as Draconian style gun control.

Hitler himself admitted himself in a letter to a liberal journalist of his time, Julius Streicher.

https://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/lapin.htm

 

[surada]

It was left wing...it was socialism...you morons can lie all day but you can't hide the truth anymore.....

Two actual economists explain it for you....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

Hitler broke with the Socialists in 1926. He hated them. Hitler killed them or put them in concentration camps. Mussolini also broke with the Socialists. Fascism was conservative, authoritarian, Nationalistic and racist....

 

[surada]

Hitler was not just liberal, he was ultra-liberal.

National Socialist Germany had Hitlercare, a risky socialized medicine scheme, as well as Draconian style gun control.

Hitler himself admitted himself in a letter to a liberal journalist of his time, Julius Streicher.

https://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/lapin.htm

Gun control under Hitler was short lived.. only Jews had their guns confiscated.

You really should look into improving your education. You're a sucker for liars and ignorant people.

 

[Polishprince]

The historic record also shows that the National Socialists were LGBTQ+ and proud.

General George Patton gave this intelligence report to the men of his 3rd army.

"We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fucking-basket."


A man who performs oral sex on another man, a "cocksucker" if you will, is gay by definition.


The gay pride of the National Socialists is actually documented, Gen. Patton wouldn't have warned his men about it if it wasn't true.

 

[scruffy]

Nope. It's not an economic model.

Economics of fascism - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

So she gives me fluff from the leftards at Wikipedia.

This is supposed to be authoritative?

NOT.

Go crack an actual history book, lazy leftard.

While you're at it, go look at the history of IG Farben.

Fucking stupid leftards! (slaps forehead)

 

[Lastamender]

You are the predictable garbage. You are the pawns who hate anyone who does not look like you.

Wrong again. You side with the intolerant assholes who call themselves liberals.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The bulwark isn’t a conservative site…. It is a democrat support site

Take it up with Mr. Saletan.

And of course he’s correct – what’s become of conservativism, what produced the likes of Trump, the authoritarianism and antidemocratic illiberalism is indeed fascism.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Hitler was not just liberal, he was ultra-liberal.

National Socialist Germany had Hitlercare, a risky socialized medicine scheme, as well as Draconian style gun control.

Hitler himself admitted himself in a letter to a liberal journalist of his time, Julius Streicher.

https://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/lapin.htm

Wrong.

The Hitler gun control lie

Gun rights activists who cite the dictator as a reason against gun control have their history dangerously wrong

www.salon.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Who is making it harder to vote? Republicans.
Who is enforcing their morality at us at the point of a gun? Republicans.
Who is attempting to intimidate voters. Republicans.

You are the Nazis.

Everything you wrote is a complete lie and Communist propaganda. Why would Republicans make it harder to vote? Republicans vote too. What morality are we holding you at gunpoint about? Who is intimidating voters?

You puppets are almost laughable if not so sad. They tell you what to think but not why you should be thinking it. Remember it's the Communists that politicized our national agencies. They sent the FBI to forward false applications to a FISA court to spy on a political foe. They used this same agency to find Dementia's daughters diary which is a local petty theft matter. They did so to hide all the embarrassing things about their leader. They arrested an abortion protestor. Charge? He pushed a guy away from his son who was accosting the 12 year old and the jerk off fell down. The local authorities even laughed at the matter but because he protested a Communist protected class like abortionists, 5 FBI agents went to his house with high power rifles a year after the event, almost busted down his door to arrest him.

If you really want to know what Nazis look like, take a gander in the nearest mirror of your home.

 

[Leo123]

Take it up with Mr. Saletan.

And of course he’s correct – what’s become of conservativism, what produced the likes of Trump, the authoritarianism and antidemocratic illiberalism is indeed fascism.

You libbies are the ones who tried to unseat a duly elected POTUS for 4 years!!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You still want trump back in even though he's gone full blown retard since he had his ass beat in 2020.

Take a walk.

The only reason Trump got beat was mail in voting. If it were a normal election, Dementia would be in a nursing home where he belongs. When you use mail-in, you draw the most politically ignorant people in our society to vote, and of course, politically ignorant people vote Democrat.

 

[scruffy]

Wrong.

The Hitler gun control lie

Gun rights activists who cite the dictator as a reason against gun control have their history dangerously wrong

www.salon.com

RIGHT, shit for brains.

You fucking IDIOT leftards think Salon is an authoritative source about Hitler?

And Hitler himself isn't?

You fucking LYING leftards have complete shit between your ears. There's not even a brain there.

You're so fucking stupid your ear wax is brown.

 

[Lastamender]

Take it up with Mr. Saletan.

And of course he’s correct – what’s become of conservativism, what produced the likes of Trump, the authoritarianism and antidemocratic illiberalism is indeed fascism.

Neither of you, especially you, have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[OKTexas]

There are very few transgenders who compete. The Republican Governor of Indiana pointed out that 1 such person was competing in his state.

And?

.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

‘William Saletan, a writer for the conservative website The Bulwark, defends President Joe Biden’s anti-MAGA use of the term “semi-fascism” in an article published on September 1.

“Republicans are furious over President Biden’s recent remarks linking Donald Trump and his supporters to ‘semi-fascism,’” Saletan writes. “For days, they’ve been all over TV and social media, denouncing Biden’s use of the F-word. But Biden was right. Many of the ideas and tactics deployed by Trump and his apologists, including those who decry Biden’s comparison, fit the dictionary definition of fascism.”

Saletan stresses that refusing to accept democratic election results, which is what Trump and his followers did after the 2020 election, is an “authoritarian” act.

“A stickler might say that an attempt to overturn an election isn’t really fascist unless it involves the use of state power or mob violence, but Trump and his allies tried to use both,” Saletan explains. “Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s right-hand man in several abuses of power, says it’s Biden, not Trump, who runs America like ‘a damned dictatorship.’ But in December 2020, after the Electoral College had certified Biden’s election, Giuliani — at Trump’s direction — phoned the acting deputy secretary at the Department of Homeland Security to ask whether DHS could seize voting machines from states. Then, at Trump’s January 6th rally on the Ellipse, Giuliani exhorted the crowd: ‘Let’s have trial by combat!’”

Saletan adds, “Giuliani didn’t just help to incite the attack on the Capitol. To this day, he continues to whitewash it and excuse the perpetrators.”’

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