The Divine Hand of the Europeans

[P F Tinmore]

Interesting. Now 60 + years later, Israel has borders. I showed you the link, right? Which part of the link do you disagree with ?

You have never posted any treaty giving any borders or land to Israel.

SUre, read the link I posted earlier

Wikipedia is not a treaty. That is all just say so. Nothing legal.

 

[Hossfly]

You have never posted any treaty giving any borders or land to Israel.

SUre, read the link I posted earlier

Wikipedia is not a treaty. That is all just say so. Nothing legal.

Lay it on him, Tinnie. Let him know that Real Men don't read quotes! That's sissified.

 

[P F Tinmore]

SUre, read the link I posted earlier

Wikipedia is not a treaty. That is all just say so. Nothing legal.

Lay it on him, Tinnie. Let him know that Real Men don't read quotes! That's sissified.

That Wikipedia does not have a link to an appropriate treaty. It is just say so.

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Indeed.

 

[Roudy]

I think anybody who thinks Israel has no borders should try crossing into it, and see what happens. You will get a rendezvous with the 72 virgins.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I think anybody who thinks Israel has no borders should try crossing into it, and see what happens. You will get a rendezvous with the 72 virgins.

A line of goontards with guns does not a border make.

 

[Roudy]

Yeah? Well, try crossing into Israel and see what happens, ass-licker of Islamic good-tards.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

a little perspective, this is a good piece...

Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, etc. all still exist within the borders that the European colonial powers drew for them. These borders had nothing to do with their history. They had nothing to do with their ethnic homogeneity. They had nothing to do with their religious homogeneity. They had nothing to do with their linguistics. And today, the mix of peoples within each state is sometimes even more divided than when the borders were first drawn, as the different peoples within them often have different natural growth rates, or emigration rates, which have altered the balance of power in a major way. Simply put, these borders no longer make sense, if they ever did.

But don’t you ever think about touching those borders. That is not to be allowed.

When the United States ousted the Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, and occupied that country, our officials were careful to maintain a unified state out of the hodgepodge of nationalities and religions created by the British-French pen. The Iraqi population is roughly 30 plus million divide as follows as follows – about 18 million Shia Arabs, 5 million Sunni Arabs, 5 million Sunni Kurds, who are a different ethnic group than Arabs, with the remainder largely Christian Arabs (those who haven’t fled yet). Generally, the three main peoples live in different areas of the nation, with the Kurds in the North, the Sunni Arabs in the West, and the Shia Arabs predominating elsewhere. Historically these three groups have been in opposition to one another. But, even during the height of the Iraqi post-war insurrection, when Shia Arabs and Sunni Arabs and Kurds were all at each other’s throats, almost no American of any significance considered the logical option of dividing the country into three sections. Perhaps the world felt that since Europe colonialists had already spoken on the matter, the Iraqis would just have to learn to live together.

Also, consider Syria and Lebanon. France originally drew their boundaries. Both were drawn to maximize French interests, especially in Lebanon, where the French were interested in producing a majority Christian nation. Today, the conflicts originating out of these lines have led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people.

In Syria, there are 23 million inhabitants. 16 million are Sunni Arabs. Over 3 million are non-Sunni Arabs, mostly Alawites, but also including some Druze. Both the Alawites and the Druze live primarily in the Western, more mountainous areas. There are about 2 million Kurds residing in the northeastern corner. And there were more than 2 million Christian Arabs, prior to the rebellion. Currently, much of the country is in flames, as Sunni Arabs – led by jihadists – seek to violently overthrow the Iranian-backed Alawite dictator Assad. Over 70,000 people have died during this civil war. Yet, among all the various peace plans that have been proposed by the international elites, precious few advocate the seemingly obvious idea of splitting Syria into its different constituent parts, so as to better protect minorities. (The Christians may not be concentrated enough to create a separate state, although it is possible that they might be more safe in an Alawite or Kurdish state.)



In Lebanon, there are around 1.2 million Sunni Arabs, more than 1.2 million Shia Arabs, 1.4 million Christians (whom are further subdivided) and 200,000 Druze. Because Lebanon is so heterogynous, it has had over twenty-five years of civil war, with hundreds of thousands of casualties, and currently is under a fragile “truce” thanks to the ability of the Shia terrorist group Hezbollah to forcibly control the nation. The Lebanese communities are, once again, mostly segregated. But, once again, no major international peace plans for Lebanon have ever made the case for a sensible division of the country

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I wouldn't be too hard on the Europeans for drawing up those borders. Those bloodthirsty, savage Ayrabs would've been at each others' throats anyways. Look at what's happened in Egypt, which has had the same borders for thousands of years.

 

[Hossfly]

Wikipedia is not a treaty. That is all just say so. Nothing legal.

Lay it on him, Tinnie. Let him know that Real Men don't read quotes! That's sissified.

That Wikipedia does not have a link to an appropriate treaty. It is just say so.

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Indeed.

It is really amusing, Tinnie, how unaccepting of Wikipedia you are when it suits your purpose, but you have never said anything when your cohorts on this board who have constantly used Wikipedia for their source, especially since so much is put on Wikipedia that really is just what those who place stuff on there want to be read. I can just imagine all the inconsistencies that appear in Wikipedia when it comes to the truth.

 

[Jroc]

a little perspective, this is a good piece...

Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, etc. all still exist within the borders that the European colonial powers drew for them. These borders had nothing to do with their history. They had nothing to do with their ethnic homogeneity. They had nothing to do with their religious homogeneity. They had nothing to do with their linguistics. And today, the mix of peoples within each state is sometimes even more divided than when the borders were first drawn, as the different peoples within them often have different natural growth rates, or emigration rates, which have altered the balance of power in a major way. Simply put, these borders no longer make sense, if they ever did.

But don’t you ever think about touching those borders. That is not to be allowed.

When the United States ousted the Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, and occupied that country, our officials were careful to maintain a unified state out of the hodgepodge of nationalities and religions created by the British-French pen. The Iraqi population is roughly 30 plus million divide as follows as follows – about 18 million Shia Arabs, 5 million Sunni Arabs, 5 million Sunni Kurds, who are a different ethnic group than Arabs, with the remainder largely Christian Arabs (those who haven’t fled yet). Generally, the three main peoples live in different areas of the nation, with the Kurds in the North, the Sunni Arabs in the West, and the Shia Arabs predominating elsewhere. Historically these three groups have been in opposition to one another. But, even during the height of the Iraqi post-war insurrection, when Shia Arabs and Sunni Arabs and Kurds were all at each other’s throats, almost no American of any significance considered the logical option of dividing the country into three sections. Perhaps the world felt that since Europe colonialists had already spoken on the matter, the Iraqis would just have to learn to live together.

Also, consider Syria and Lebanon. France originally drew their boundaries. Both were drawn to maximize French interests, especially in Lebanon, where the French were interested in producing a majority Christian nation. Today, the conflicts originating out of these lines have led to the death of hundreds of thousands of people.

In Syria, there are 23 million inhabitants. 16 million are Sunni Arabs. Over 3 million are non-Sunni Arabs, mostly Alawites, but also including some Druze. Both the Alawites and the Druze live primarily in the Western, more mountainous areas. There are about 2 million Kurds residing in the northeastern corner. And there were more than 2 million Christian Arabs, prior to the rebellion. Currently, much of the country is in flames, as Sunni Arabs – led by jihadists – seek to violently overthrow the Iranian-backed Alawite dictator Assad. Over 70,000 people have died during this civil war. Yet, among all the various peace plans that have been proposed by the international elites, precious few advocate the seemingly obvious idea of splitting Syria into its different constituent parts, so as to better protect minorities. (The Christians may not be concentrated enough to create a separate state, although it is possible that they might be more safe in an Alawite or Kurdish state.)



In Lebanon, there are around 1.2 million Sunni Arabs, more than 1.2 million Shia Arabs, 1.4 million Christians (whom are further subdivided) and 200,000 Druze. Because Lebanon is so heterogynous, it has had over twenty-five years of civil war, with hundreds of thousands of casualties, and currently is under a fragile “truce” thanks to the ability of the Shia terrorist group Hezbollah to forcibly control the nation. The Lebanese communities are, once again, mostly segregated. But, once again, no major international peace plans for Lebanon have ever made the case for a sensible division of the country

The Divine Hand of the Europeans | FrontPage Magazine

I wouldn't be too hard on the Europeans for drawing up those borders. Those bloodthirsty, savage Ayrabs would've been at each others' throats anyways. Look at what's happened in Egypt, which has had the same borders for thousands of years.

They drew up the boarders the way they did so as to placate their oil rich Arab friends. The Jew they ended up getting nothing until they fought for it, and with G-d's help they defeated the Arab hordes

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lay it on him, Tinnie. Let him know that Real Men don't read quotes! That's sissified.

That Wikipedia does not have a link to an appropriate treaty. It is just say so.

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Indeed.

It is really amusing, Tinnie, how unaccepting of Wikipedia you are when it suits your purpose, but you have never said anything when your cohorts on this board who have constantly used Wikipedia for their source, especially since so much is put on Wikipedia that really is just what those who place stuff on there want to be read. I can just imagine all the inconsistencies that appear in Wikipedia when it comes to the truth.

Wikipedia can be a good source, however, toastman's claim to Israel's borders are not sourced in that particular article. The borders mentioned are merely "say so" without any treaty linked to confirm their establishment. That is why:

This article needs additional citations for verification.

 

[Hossfly]

That Wikipedia does not have a link to an appropriate treaty. It is just say so.



Indeed.

It is really amusing, Tinnie, how unaccepting of Wikipedia you are when it suits your purpose, but you have never said anything when your cohorts on this board who have constantly used Wikipedia for their source, especially since so much is put on Wikipedia that really is just what those who place stuff on there want to be read. I can just imagine all the inconsistencies that appear in Wikipedia when it comes to the truth.

Wikipedia can be a good source, however, toastman's claim to Israel's borders are not sourced in that particular article. The borders mentioned are merely "say so" without any treaty linked to confirm their establishment. That is why:

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Well, Tinnie, why not give us from some legitimate source which will tell us all about the borders. I wonder if Tinnie can also give us any information from a legitimate source which tells us about the borders of all the countries which were established by the British and French and which used to belong to the Ottoman Empire. By the way, Tinnie, is there a chance that in your own lifetime you will acknowledge that there is a country in existance named Israel?

 

[kvetch]

I think anybody who thinks Israel has no borders should try crossing into it, and see what happens. You will get a rendezvous with the 72 virgins.

are you speaking from bitter experience roudy?

which virgin did you like best??

 

[kvetch]

It is really amusing, Tinnie, how unaccepting of Wikipedia you are when it suits your purpose, but you have never said anything when your cohorts on this board who have constantly used Wikipedia for their source, especially since so much is put on Wikipedia that really is just what those who place stuff on there want to be read. I can just imagine all the inconsistencies that appear in Wikipedia when it comes to the truth.

Wikipedia can be a good source, however, toastman's claim to Israel's borders are not sourced in that particular article. The borders mentioned are merely "say so" without any treaty linked to confirm their establishment. That is why:

This article needs additional citations for verification.

Well, Tinnie, why not give us from some legitimate source which will tell us all about the borders. I wonder if Tinnie can also give us any information from a legitimate source which tells us about the borders of all the countries which were established by the British and French and which used to belong to the Ottoman Empire. By the way, Tinnie, is there a chance that in your own lifetime you will acknowledge that there is a country in existance named Israel?

it might be great if there were borders; i.e. defined limits to israel's theft and thievery

but there aint and wont be because the thievin will go on and on until someone puts a stop to it

and when did thieves ever stop thievin unless they are brought tro book??

normally a thief is deprived of his stolen property, punished and made to compensate his victim

94% of israel is stolen and that percentage is increasing all the time

i.e israelis legally purchased only 6% of what it now claims

the rest was taken by force, lies, hasbara and suchlike

those are the FACTS

 

[Hossfly]

I think anybody who thinks Israel has no borders should try crossing into it, and see what happens. You will get a rendezvous with the 72 virgins.

are you speaking from bitter experience roudy?

which virgin did you like best??

Most likely the one who is deaf, mute, oversexed and owns a chain of liquor stores. How about you? The one with the hairy nose wart?

 

[Hossfly]

Wikipedia can be a good source, however, toastman's claim to Israel's borders are not sourced in that particular article. The borders mentioned are merely "say so" without any treaty linked to confirm their establishment. That is why:

Well, Tinnie, why not give us from some legitimate source which will tell us all about the borders. I wonder if Tinnie can also give us any information from a legitimate source which tells us about the borders of all the countries which were established by the British and French and which used to belong to the Ottoman Empire. By the way, Tinnie, is there a chance that in your own lifetime you will acknowledge that there is a country in existance named Israel?

it might be great if there were borders; i.e. defined limits to israel's theft and thievery

but there aint and wont be because the thievin will go on and on until someone puts a stop to it

and when did thieves ever stop thievin unless they are brought tro book??

normally a thief is deprived of his stolen property, punished and made to compensate his victim

94% of israel is stolen and that percentage is increasing all the time

i.e israelis legally purchased only 6% of what it now claims

the rest was taken by force, lies, hasbara and suchlike

those are the FACTS

You know, dontcha, that facts are like statistics?

 

[toastman]

Kvetch, im ashamed to say that you and I share the same religion

 

[Roudy]

I think anybody who thinks Israel has no borders should try crossing into it, and see what happens. You will get a rendezvous with the 72 virgins.

are you speaking from bitter experience roudy?

which virgin did you like best??

I think the 72nd was the best. They all knew after her, it's time for lunch break.

 

[Roudy]

Kvetch, im ashamed to say that you and I share the same religion

Kvetch is a Hindu that has lived with Jews or Israelis, but refuses to tell us about the millions and millions of Hindus that Muslims have committed genocide upon, in their conquest of India.