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Or who was on which side thanks to our incompetent educatorsThey don’t even know when WWII was!
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Or who was on which side thanks to our incompetent educatorsThey don’t even know when WWII was!
Kids today can't read an old school hand clock. Not surprised that they barely understand history.Not really. Most people are ignorant of history in General. The problem with HS History education is that it is mostly focused on the US and the School Year often runs out before they get to World War II and the Holocaust. (My own HS History course ended right at World War I before Summer break at a fairly elite Catholic HS).
What your poll doesn't distinguish is between "I never heard about it" and "I heard about it, but I don't believe it actually happened!"
So a lot of kids might not know about the Holocaust because they simply weren't taught about it.
A lot of Americans don't know about the Armenian Genocide, the Killing Fields of Cambodia, the Rape of Nanjing, and a whole parade of other human horrors. If anything, the Holocaust is probably one of the better-known ones.
Kids today can't read an old school hand clock. Not surprised that they barely understand history.
Holy shit, man, get fucking professional help. YOU ARE NOT A WELL MAN!!!
I wouldn't know what you claim was said. The fact is, six million Jews and five million others being exterminated was documented by the Germans themselves.
Wow... man, you need to lay off the crazy.
How do the Roswell Aliens work into this? You can't have a true batshit conspiracy theory without Rosewell Aliens, man.
Really? Name one. Who was the highest Ranking Jew who fought for Nazi Germany? Not someone who had a Jew somewhere back in his family tree, but full-blooded Jews who were fine with what Hitler was doing.
Hindus? Never mind, I don't want to know.
I am sure a lot of people who have never known a major war in their lifetime probably have a hard time getting their heads around the pure numbers of horror of World War II.
My dad liberated a concentration camp. He had nightmares for the rest of his life from what he saw in WWII. I have no great love for the Israelis, but when I hear a holocaust denier, all I can say is, "Fuck you!"
Well, it's nowhere near a "vast majority". While the polls are a bit disheartening, the vast majority of people in the world know that the Holocaust happened.
What part of "Fuck You" was unclear to you?Once again, you have been both evasive and unable to refute anything I have written and supported.
My Dad liberated a concentration Camp. He showed me the pictures. Really, that's kind of the end of the discussion for me.Now that you've been entirely unable to support anything you have been duped into believing, you must resort to insults, distortions and slander.
Those three common ploys are common among gullible, lazy and poorly educated people who blindly believe anything the fraudulent Holocaust Industry has poured into their head via Hollywood and pro Israel MSM.
And yet you remain piss ignorant.Next, I have never denied that the Holocaust happened so you'll have to change your meaningless label from "Holocaust denier". I simply don't believe in the innumerable lies and physical impossibilities that comprise the standard Holocaust story nor does most of the planet.
While the sources behind your opinions are only one individual and what you see on TV, I've known dozens of Holocaust survivors, WW 2 Veterans of various nationalities, and civilian survivors of WW2. I've also studied the topic for 60 years and read salient WW 2 documents in the original German.
I see no point in wasting more time on snarky and gullible individuals who know so little about the topic at hand except what the fraudulent Holocaust Industry allows via MSM.
Please read more and watch less TV.
Yet another failure of our education system.Looking at the crosstabs regarding the question "Agreement with Statements about Israel — The Holocaust is a myth", there are some interesting results:
Of 18-29 year olds (Gen Z) 20% believe the Holocaust is a myth and 30% are unsure. Gee, I wonder where they're getting that from?
Among black Americans 13% agree with that statement, while 33% aren't sure.
Democrats are more inclined to believe it's a myth with 10% agreeing while 19% are unsure compared to 6% and 11% respectively among Republicans.
Urbanites and political moderates also have a higher belief in the myth claim than others.
It's astonishing how so many people can be so ignorant on this issue.
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My pop walked into Dachau in '44Uh, dude, my Dad was with the First Army when it liberated a concentration camp called Nordhausen. Hollywood did not "Make it up".
all conflicts history has the bias of the victors ....I'm not claiming that the Holocaust never happened or that there were no deaths or no piles of bodies.
I'm simply stating that all sides engage in atrocity propaganda including the Allies and that the Holocaust Industry has proven itself to be untrustworthy.
They pretended it didn't exist, until they saw if first hand....much just like we pretend this doesn't>Oh, I agree, the Allies didn't do nearly enough to stop the Holocaust from happening.
No more than i believe hamas cooked babies.....Why do you believe anything claimed claimed by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(2), (3) that has such a long history of lying, engaging in thousands of false restitution claims, long running scams, and infamous hoaxes such as the "human skin lampshades", "human fat soap", "human skin pocketbooks" and shrunken heads from far away?
My pop walked into Dachau in '44
all conflicts history has the bias of the victors ....
They pretended it didn't exist, until they saw if first hand....much just like we pretend this doesn't>
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No more than i believe hamas cooked babies.....
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Thanks for your informative posts GrauThanks for your refreshingly calm and rational observations concerning a topic with the potential to elicit responses that are frequently not so calm and rational from Hollywood educated Holocaust cult fanatics.
On the other hand, the vast majority of the world's people agree that the Holocaust happened but reject the exaggerations and grotesque embellishment for profitable lies they are. (1)
Once again, you have been both evasive and unable to refute anything I have written and supported.
Now that you've been entirely unable to support anything you have been duped into believing, you must resort to insults, distortions and slander.
Those three common ploys are common among gullible, lazy and poorly educated people who blindly believe anything the fraudulent Holocaust Industry has poured into their head via Hollywood and pro Israel MSM.
Next, I have never denied that the Holocaust happened so you'll have to change your meaningless label from "Holocaust denier". I simply don't believe in the innumerable lies and physical impossibilities that comprise the standard Holocaust story nor does most of the planet.
While the sources behind your opinions are only one individual and what you see on TV, I've known dozens of Holocaust survivors, WW 2 Veterans of various nationalities, and civilian survivors of WW2. I've also studied the topic for 60 years and read salient WW 2 documents in the original German.
I see no point in wasting more time on snarky and gullible individuals who know so little about the topic at hand except what the fraudulent Holocaust Industry allows via MSM.
Again, it's not really in dispute that 11-12 million people were killed in the Holocaust.
How Many People did the Nazis Murder?
Behind the number of victims of the Holocaust and Nazi persecution are people whose hopes and dreams were destroyed. Learn about the toll of Nazi policies.encyclopedia.ushmm.org
Actually, most of the planet acknowledges the number. Even this poll, as depressing as it is in people's IGNORANCE, still shows that the majority of young people know this happened.
Um, yeah, you also claimed that people in Taiwan write in "Kanji", that Apartheid wasn't all that bad, really, and a bunch of other fucking crazy claims. Oh, yeah, and that you hob-knob with a shitload of important people, no, really. Why, however is Washington getting by without your wealth of knowledge?
I see a lot of fun in mocking self-important loons on USMB who try to pass themselves off as intellectuals.
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Um, yeah, you also claimed that people in Taiwan write in "Kanji", that Apartheid wasn't all that bad, really, and a bunch of other fucking crazy claims. Oh, yeah, and that you hob-knob with a shitload of important people, no, really.
Re: I see a lot of fun in mocking self-important loons on USMB who try to pass themselves off as intellectuals.
When I encounter a Holocaust Denier I tell him that if the Holocaust did not happen, it needs to be the case that everyone who survived a Nazi concentration camp, and every soldier who liberated a Nazi concentration camp conspired to lie about what was happening in the camps.
Nope, you are a conspiracy loon. The problem with conspiracy theorists is that no matter how many times you PROVE it was a weather balloon, they will insist up and down it was a flying saucer.It seems that you are as confused as you are gullible and intellectually lazy.
Other threads on racism, you talked extensively about how they used "Kanji" in Taiwan. (They don't. They use Traditional Hanzi, as opposed to the mainland which uses Simplified Hanzi.)Where have I ever even mentioned Taiwan or that Apartheid "wasn't all that bad" or that I "hob nob" with "important people".
That's not what the OP says. The OP says pretty clearly that 78% or so believe the Holocaust happened. The problem was younger people don't know about it because they weren't taught about it in school.What part of: "Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts." leads you to conclude that "most" of the world believes the fraudulent Holocaust narrative?
Finally, the only source you could come up with, USHMM, is from the same Holocaust Industry that has been repeatedly caught deliberately lying and fabricating Holocaust stories for money over and over. (1), (2)
Of course USHMM / the Holocaust Industry is going to grossly exaggerate casualty numbers to extract more money to keep their grisly yet profitable Holocaust theme parks open.
If demonstrating your confusion, gullibility and intellectual laziness is "fun" for you, please don't let me stop you from showing how little you know about WW 2 and the Holocaust.
Again, I have a degree in history. If I got up in class and started spouting the shit you do, I'd have probably gotten failed on those key courses.
Maintaining the hatreds and passions of the past prevents genuine reconciliation and lasting peace. The Auschwitz extermination story originated as World War II propaganda. And all wartime propaganda, unless hatred and passion are to have the final word, must be viewed critically. It is high time to take a more objective look at this highly polemicized chapter of history.
Interesting site & testimonies Grau......i'll have to agree with this one passage (bold mine) , because it's exactly what's been happening in the M.E. since 9/11
Sadly, we have to read conspiracy loons like you and the late Dale Smith all the time, even though you are piss ignorant.Of course you'd fail Joe
Because you would be opining against the national narrative which IS empirical history
A national narrative is a story or set of stories that a nation tells about itself. It is often used to establish a sense of shared identity and history among citizens, and can include myths, legends, historical events, and cultural traditions
Is this not something we read @USMB daily?
I am sure that there was propaganda during WWII. The thing is, it proved to be correct in this case. We have spent decades documenting what the Axis (including Japan) did during the war.
The real problem is we don't live in an Information Age, we live in a Mis-Information Age. A generation ago, crazy shit like Fema camps would have been dismissed as the garbage they are.
yes we have Joe
we've also spent 2 decades documenting our presence in the M.E.
the comparisons are similar
for starters, the infamous 28 pages....
Again, I only spend so much time a day talking to crazy conspiracy theorists.Agreed Joe, and fema camps are a grand example.
In that their existence is not disputed, but what they exist to accomplish is.....