The electoral college, the founders had it right

[Stormy Daniels]

Everyone owned a slave back then it was like owning a cell phone today.

That is false.

What does that have to do with the fact the EC was setup so Urban areas don't bully rural areas ?

That is false.

 

[rightwinger]

So you admit the civil war was not about slavery, but states rights.

It was about state's rights....to sanction slavery.

How DARE you tell us we can’t own other people?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

In their infinite wisdom, the United States ’ Founders created the Electoral College to ensure the STATES were fairly represented.
Why should one or two densely populated areas speak for the whole of the nation?
The following list of statistics has been making the rounds on the Internet.
It should finally put an end to the argument as to why the Electoral College makes sense.
These numbers are astonishing. Do share this. It needs to be widely known and understood.

There are 3,141 counties in the United States .
Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State .
Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16 .

Clinton won the popular vote by approx 1.5 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan , Richmond & Queens)
Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. ( Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond )
Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.

Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago , LA , etc.) DO NOT and SHOULD NOT speak for the rest of our country!

And...it's been verified and documented that those aforementioned 319 square miles are where the majority of our nation’s problems foment.

Yes the EC is essential.
Hillary got 3 million more votes than the blob

......in california. Yes, the EC is essential.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

??? You said 300 people are irrelevant. What makes their votes any less relevant than those who live in NYC?

Nothing at all,. That is why you do not ever hear anyone talk about a random 300 people from NYC.

So why did you bring them up and call their votes irrelevant? At what point do votes become relevant in your world? So should those 300 in TX not vote?

I brought them up because people like to talk about how many counties voted each way. It is a stupid thing to talk about as you cannot compare a county of less than 300 to a county of more than a million. They are not equal

But in the example Trump crushed HRC in counties both big and small did he not. Now not in all but in many.

Once again, debating the number of counties that Trump won makes about as much sense as talking about many hot dogs were sold at a football game when discussing who won the game. Counties do not vote, people vote. Why talk about counties?

It’s because people want to discuss diversity of
Voter which is what this country is all about. The equivalency would be the different ways the team was able to score TDs.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Again this debate is pointless the rules are in place and both candidates knew what they were. HRC spent double of what DJT did and lost. We can debate changing rules for future elections but this one needs to be put to bed.

Nobody is talking about changing the rules, you just made that up.

Then what are you insinuating? Either you’re whining or you want the rules changed. Which is it?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The founders did not create the electoral college

It’s the 12th amendment. They also didn’t say people born here should automatically be citizens by your logic

Never claimed they did

So you agree they should not be citizens automatically?

I support the 14th amendment
One of our most significant amendments. More important than the second

Subjective. We along with Canada are the only developed countries that have that silly rule.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Again this debate is pointless the rules are in place and both candidates knew what they were. HRC spent double of what DJT did and lost. We can debate changing rules for future elections but this one needs to be put to bed.

Nobody is talking about changing the rules, you just made that up.

Then what are you insinuating? Either you’re whining or you want the rules changed. Which is it?

Neither. I think it is the best system for this country, but I also do pretend that it is a fair system, just that there is no a better one.

That sort of thinking is a bit beyond partisan sheep, they think in black and white for everything. Everything is either good or bad, either for us or against us, there is no middle ground anymore for too many people

 

[Papageorgio]

Everyone owned a slave back then it was like owning a cell phone today.

That is false.

What does that have to do with the fact the EC was setup so Urban areas don't bully rural areas ?

That is false.

Lol! You need to quit reading altered history.

 

[Wyatt earp]

So you admit the civil war was not about slavery, but states rights.

It was about state's rights....to sanction slavery.

How DARE you tell us we can’t own other people?

^^^

Spoken like a true KKK democrat



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[Harpy Eagle]

Nothing at all,. That is why you do not ever hear anyone talk about a random 300 people from NYC.

So why did you bring them up and call their votes irrelevant? At what point do votes become relevant in your world? So should those 300 in TX not vote?

I brought them up because people like to talk about how many counties voted each way. It is a stupid thing to talk about as you cannot compare a county of less than 300 to a county of more than a million. They are not equal

But in the example Trump crushed HRC in counties both big and small did he not. Now not in all but in many.

Once again, debating the number of counties that Trump won makes about as much sense as talking about many hot dogs were sold at a football game when discussing who won the game. Counties do not vote, people vote. Why talk about counties?

It’s because people want to discuss diversity of
Voter which is what this country is all about. The equivalency would be the different ways the team was able to score TDs.

Talking about total counties does not come close to addressing diversity, how much do you know about Kent county Texas or Rich county Utah or Hamilton county Florida?

 

[Wyatt earp]

So you admit the civil war was not about slavery, but states rights.

It was about state's rights....to sanction slavery.

Why if only 25% democrats owned slaves as he claims and zero Republicans..


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[Harpy Eagle]

So you admit the civil war was not about slavery, but states rights.

It was about state's rights....to sanction slavery.

Why if only 25% democrats owned slaves as he claims and zero Republicans..


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Please provide the post where that was stated.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

In their infinite wisdom, the United States ’ Founders created the Electoral College to ensure the STATES were fairly represented.
Why should one or two densely populated areas speak for the whole of the nation?
The following list of statistics has been making the rounds on the Internet.
It should finally put an end to the argument as to why the Electoral College makes sense.
These numbers are astonishing. Do share this. It needs to be widely known and understood.

There are 3,141 counties in the United States .
Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State .
Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16 .

Clinton won the popular vote by approx 1.5 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan , Richmond & Queens)
Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. ( Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond )
Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.

Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago , LA , etc.) DO NOT and SHOULD NOT speak for the rest of our country!

And...it's been verified and documented that those aforementioned 319 square miles are where the majority of our nation’s problems foment.

Our Founders put many Road Blocks in for the reason to level the playing field so that the broad spectrum would get a fair shake in the elections and not the dense areas to dictate to the other parts of the Nation. It was a wise move, and I thank them for that.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

In their infinite wisdom, the United States ’ Founders created the Electoral College to ensure the STATES were fairly represented.
Why should one or two densely populated areas speak for the whole of the nation?
The following list of statistics has been making the rounds on the Internet.
It should finally put an end to the argument as to why the Electoral College makes sense.
These numbers are astonishing. Do share this. It needs to be widely known and understood.

There are 3,141 counties in the United States .
Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State .
Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16 .

Clinton won the popular vote by approx 1.5 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan , Richmond & Queens)
Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. ( Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond )
Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.

Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago , LA , etc.) DO NOT and SHOULD NOT speak for the rest of our country!

And...it's been verified and documented that those aforementioned 319 square miles are where the majority of our nation’s problems foment.

They got it right, but they did not make it fair at all.

There is nothing fair about a vote in Wyoming counting for more than 3 votes in Cali or or Texas

Yes it does.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cali has about 11% of the population the US and has 10% of the EC votes.

How many representatives and EC votes would they lose if we stopped including illegal aliens for apportionment?

Zero


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California doesn't have millions of illegal aliens, swelling the state's representation in Congress?

Nope, they are not taken into account for that.

Are undocumented residents (aliens) in the 50 states included in the apportionment population counts? back to top

Yes, all people (citizens and noncitizens) with a usual residence in the 50 states are to be included in the census and thus in the apportionment counts.

Congressional Apportionment - Frequently Asked Questions - People and Households - U.S. Census Bureau

Census.gov says they are.

You think illegal immigrants are resounding to the Census? Really?

Proof please.

You think they don't?
All the liberal whining about adding back the question about citizenship
indicates that liberals think they do.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you admit the civil war was not about slavery, but states rights.

It was about state's rights....to sanction slavery.

How DARE you tell us we can’t own other people?

Took a war to get Democrats to stop.....

 

[WaitingFor2020]

In their infinite wisdom, the United States ’ Founders created the Electoral College to ensure the STATES were fairly represented.
Why should one or two densely populated areas speak for the whole of the nation?
The following list of statistics has been making the rounds on the Internet.
It should finally put an end to the argument as to why the Electoral College makes sense.
These numbers are astonishing. Do share this. It needs to be widely known and understood.

There are 3,141 counties in the United States .
Trump won 3,084 of them. Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State .
Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16 .

Clinton won the popular vote by approx 1.5 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan , Richmond & Queens)
Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. ( Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond )
Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.

When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.

Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago , LA , etc.) DO NOT and SHOULD NOT speak for the rest of our country!

And...it's been verified and documented that those aforementioned 319 square miles are where the majority of our nation’s problems foment.

There were no densely populated states in the late 18th century.
The EC was formed so that delegates could go into remote areas and gather a consensus.
It's fucking outdated.
Even Trump said so.


Donald J. Trump
✔@realDonaldTrump

The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.

10:45 PM - Nov 6, 2012
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So your argument is you agree with a liberal republican? What does that have to do with this thread?



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Read the second sentence of the O/P.
And no, I'm not agreeing with Trump.
I'm showing you his hypocrisy.
And how he uses idiots like yourself.
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[AzogtheDefiler]

Again this debate is pointless the rules are in place and both candidates knew what they were. HRC spent double of what DJT did and lost. We can debate changing rules for future elections but this one needs to be put to bed.

Nobody is talking about changing the rules, you just made that up.

Then what are you insinuating? Either you’re whining or you want the rules changed. Which is it?

Neither. I think it is the best system for this country, but I also do pretend that it is a fair system, just that there is no a better one.

That sort of thinking is a bit beyond partisan sheep, they think in black and white for everything. Everything is either good or bad, either for us or against us, there is no middle ground anymore for too many people

Fair is subjective but you will agree that all parties knew the rules and the rules did not change during the election.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I'm probably in the very minority here, but I think the electoral college is the one thing the got wrong.

You can't look at states like people. You shouldn't worry about "states having a say" states dont elect presidents, people do.

One example of where it's wrong is, let's say party A wins California because 51% of the population voted for them. They get California 55 electoral votes.

Now let's say the other 49% of California, plus the entire populations of Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma voted for candidate B, even though many many more people (and states) actually voted for candidate B, candidate A gets more electoral college votes.

Doesn't popular vote actually more accurately affect the will of the people?

I'm all to willing to admit my thinking is flawed here, and if so, someone please correct me and tell me where and how.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So why did you bring them up and call their votes irrelevant? At what point do votes become relevant in your world? So should those 300 in TX not vote?

I brought them up because people like to talk about how many counties voted each way. It is a stupid thing to talk about as you cannot compare a county of less than 300 to a county of more than a million. They are not equal

But in the example Trump crushed HRC in counties both big and small did he not. Now not in all but in many.

Once again, debating the number of counties that Trump won makes about as much sense as talking about many hot dogs were sold at a football game when discussing who won the game. Counties do not vote, people vote. Why talk about counties?

It’s because people want to discuss diversity of
Voter which is what this country is all about. The equivalency would be the different ways the team was able to score TDs.

Talking about total counties does not come close to addressing diversity, how much do you know about Kent county Texas or Rich county Utah or Hamilton county Florida?

I know That they have different types of people unlike the homogeneous areas of NYC and Boston for instance.