The establishment strikes back...

[nat4900]

Although I am far, far from a Trump supporter, what the GOP has done to him in Louisiana and Colorado is deplorable....as well, as what the DNC did to Sanders in Wyoming.

It seems that voters' preferences are being set aside for who the major parties really want to be nominated in primaries. The DNC well knew that having southern primaries early in the election cycle would give Hillary Clinton a huge early lead because of the minority voters in those southern states.....and the GOP is simply moronic in actually "wishing" for the likes of a Cruz to overtake Trump and his backers.

The acerbic quips by Trump that the "system is rigged" may not be too far from the truth and both parties' establishment wish to select who THEY wish to be nominated may soon backfire.

 

[GHook93]

Although I am far, far from a Trump supporter, what the GOP has done to him in Louisiana and Colorado is deplorable....as well, as what the DNC did to Sanders in Wyoming.

It seems that voters' preferences are being set aside for what the major parties really want to be nominated in primaries. The DNC well knew that having southern primaries early in the election cycle would give Hillary Clinton a huge early lead because of the minority voters in those southern states.....and the GOP is simply moronic in actually "wishing" for the likes of a Cruz to overtake Trump and his backers.

The acerbic quips by Trump that the "system is rigged" may not be too far from the truth and both parties' establishment wish to select who THEY wish to be nominated may soon backfire.

I am glad the Dems are pushing out Sanders, but what is being done to Trump pales in comparison to the super-delegate fraud.

The nutjob should be in spitting distance of the felon, but because of the super delegate fraud the felon is running away with it.

 

[gipper]

How about a four man race? Cankles, Bernie, Cruz, and Trump all running for POTUS from different parties. Could happen.



If the Republican Party chooses a candidate other than Donald Trump at its convention, the possibility that Trump would declare a third-party/ independent candidacy is already mainstream. This would create a three-candidate race for the presidency in which the independent actually has a chance to win, given the monumental disgust of the voting public with the corrupt, elitist and profoundly venal parties.

So what’s to keep Bernie Sanders from declaring as an independent candidate for the presidency? While Sanders has mouthed the expected platitudes about supporting Democratic Party hack Hillary Clinton, his ardent supporters–who almost by definition have zero loyalty to the elitist, permanent-war-is-wonderful Democratic party–might insist Bernie hold true to his independent roots and run as an independent.

That this has never happened before doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen.Granted, the American system is rigged in favor of the two parties; independents would face major hurdles in getting on the ballot.
Of Two Minds - Why Aren't We Talking About a Four-Candidate Race for the Presidency: Two Party Hacks and Trump and Sanders as Independents?

 

[nat4900]

How about a four man race? Cankles, Bernie, Cruz, and Trump all running for POTUS from different parties. Could happen.

Indeed, it could happen...although it is much more likely with Trump since he is no real conservative republican.
On the other hand, Sanders well knows that this is his ONLY shot given his age...so, who knows...We are indeed living in interesting times.

 

[Eaglewings]

How about a four man race? Cankles, Bernie, Cruz, and Trump all running for POTUS from different parties. Could happen.



If the Republican Party chooses a candidate other than Donald Trump at its convention, the possibility that Trump would declare a third-party/ independent candidacy is already mainstream. This would create a three-candidate race for the presidency in which the independent actually has a chance to win, given the monumental disgust of the voting public with the corrupt, elitist and profoundly venal parties.

So what’s to keep Bernie Sanders from declaring as an independent candidate for the presidency? While Sanders has mouthed the expected platitudes about supporting Democratic Party hack Hillary Clinton, his ardent supporters–who almost by definition have zero loyalty to the elitist, permanent-war-is-wonderful Democratic party–might insist Bernie hold true to his independent roots and run as an independent.

That this has never happened before doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen.Granted, the American system is rigged in favor of the two parties; independents would face major hurdles in getting on the ballot.
Of Two Minds - Why Aren't We Talking About a Four-Candidate Race for the Presidency: Two Party Hacks and Trump and Sanders as Independents?

How about a Trump/Bernie ticket as independents?...lol ... That would piss of the Est. so bad.. and may just win because of the attention the rigged system is getting..

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[HereWeGoAgain]

The establishment has to be shitting themselves about now.
Will they have the balls to actually tell the voters to fuck off we know whats best?

Things are gonna get nasty if they do.

 

[Care4all]

In the beginning, I believe our presidential races were done where whomever got the most votes was the President and whomever got the 2nd most votes was the vice President...and they could be of different political parties.....?

 

[Care4all]

NEWS FLASH

"the establishment"

IS "THE PARTY"

The Republican Party
The Democratic Party

Calling them 'the establishment" is not really getting to the heart of who they are and seems to give them all a PASS on WHO they truly are....the political Parties....calling them the establishment, just makes it easy for us to vote for our Representatives in the Parties....and just keeps the Parties in tact, and business as usual... imo.

 

[Siete]

when Rubio, Bush, or even Clinton came after Trump he welcomed it, and said "they opened the door" ... well he opened the door against "establishment" Republicans and they are firing back .. so Donnie is whining about how unfair it is.

Put on your big boy pants Donald and man up, you're looking pretty weak at the moment. This is politics.

 

[Mac1958]

Although I am far, far from a Trump supporter, what the GOP has done to him in Louisiana and Colorado is deplorable....as well, as what the DNC did to Sanders in Wyoming.

It seems that voters' preferences are being set aside for what the major parties really want to be nominated in primaries. The DNC well knew that having southern primaries early in the election cycle would give Hillary Clinton a huge early lead because of the minority voters in those southern states.....and the GOP is simply moronic in actually "wishing" for the likes of a Cruz to overtake Trump and his backers.

The acerbic quips by Trump that the "system is rigged" may not be too far from the truth and both parties' establishment wish to select who THEY wish to be nominated may soon backfire.

I can certainly understand that more and more people have pretty much had enough of our political system.

The danger is people tend to knee-jerk when angry, going too far. So while being attracted to "anti-establishment" types is understandable, the mere fact that someone is "anti-establishment" (or MORE anti-establishment than the other guy) doesn't necessarily make them a good idea for public office.

Trump is the perfect early example. Yes, he's anti-establishment and anti-PC, fine. But he is also a lot of other, less attractive things, too.

Moderation is good in most areas of life, but we have clearly forgotten that when it comes to politics.
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[nat4900]

Calling them 'the establishment" is not really getting to the heart of who they are and seems to give them all a PASS on WHO they truly are....the political Parties....calling them the establishment, just makes it easy for us to vote for our Representatives in the Parties....and just keeps the Parties in tact, and business as usual... imo.

In fairness, I DID call the "establishment" as GOP and DNC....

 

[Care4all]

Calling them 'the establishment" is not really getting to the heart of who they are and seems to give them all a PASS on WHO they truly are....the political Parties....calling them the establishment, just makes it easy for us to vote for our Representatives in the Parties....and just keeps the Parties in tact, and business as usual... imo.

In fairness, I DID call the "establishment" as GOP and DNC....

ohhhh, I was not calling you out...I believe I saw a post of herewegoagain's that made me think of it and post my comments on it....

 

[nat4900]

In the beginning, I believe our presidential races were done where whomever got the most votes was the President and whomever got the 2nd most votes was the vice President...and they could be of different political parties.....?

I believe that Abe Lincoln (a republican) in trying to mend relations with the south in 1864, had Andrew Johnson (a democrat form TN) as VP...Of course, Johnson became the president upon Lincoln assassination.

 

[nat4900]

ohhhh, I was not calling you out...I believe I saw a post of herewegoagain's that made me think of it and post my comments on it....

No problem at all.....

 

[Care4all]

And another thing, having caucuses, like iowa and new hampshire as the first voters, in general, always favors the underdogs... gives the underdogs an early kick.... some hope...

 

[Eaglewings]

Well if the Est. can do what ever the F+ck they want , why are we even having the primary's? Disappointing to see that it is probably just to generate tons of money I suppose..

 

[Care4all]

Wow, I did not realize this....that if the electors do not vote in majority for one person to be president then the electoral vote gets thrown out and the House of Representatives votes and chooses our President.

HOLY SMOKES!


The election of the President and Vice President of the United States is an indirect vote in which citizens cast ballots for a set of members of the U.S. Electoral College. These electors then cast direct votes for the President and Vice President. If both votes result in an absolute majority, the election is over. If a majority of electors do not vote for President, the House of Representatives chooses the President; if a majority of electors do not vote for Vice President, the Senate votes. Presidential elections occur quadrennially on Election Day, which since 1845 has been the Tuesday after the first Monday in November,[1][2][3] coinciding with the general elections of various other federal, state, and local races. The 2016 U.S. presidential election is scheduled for November 8.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The process is regulated by a combination of both federal and state laws. Each state is allocated a number of Electoral College electors equal to the number of its Senators and Representatives in the U.S. Congress.[4] Additionally, the District of Columbia is given a number of electors equal to the number held by the least populous state.[5] U.S. territories are not represented in the Electoral College.

Under the U.S. Constitution, each state legislature is allowed to designate a way of choosing electors.[4] Thus, the popular vote on Election Day is conducted by the various states and not directly by the federal government. In other words, it is really an amalgamation of separate elections held in each state and Washington, D.C. instead of a single national election. Once chosen, the electors can vote for anyone, but – with rare exceptions like an unpledged elector or faithless elector – they vote for their designated candidates and their votes are certified by Congress, who is the final judge of electors, in early January. The presidential term then officially begins on Inauguration Day, January 20 (although the formal inaugural ceremony traditionally takes place on the 21st if the 20th is a Sunday).

The nomination process, consisting of the primary elections and caucuses and the nominating conventions, was never specified in the Constitution, and was instead developed over time by the states and the political parties. The primary elections are staggered generally between January and June before the general election in November, while the nominating conventions are held in the summer. This too is also an indirect election process, where voters cast ballots for a slate of delegates to a political party's nominating convention, who then in turn elect their party's presidential nominee. Each party's presidential nominee then chooses a vice presidential running mate to join with him or her on the same ticket, and this choice is rubber-stamped by the convention. Because of changes to national campaign finance laws since the 1970s regarding the disclosure of contributions for federal campaigns, presidential candidates from the major political parties usually declare their intentions to run as early as the spring of the previous calendar year before the election.[6] Thus, the entire modern presidential campaign and election process usually takes almost two years.

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[C_Clayton_Jones]

How about a four man race? Cankles, Bernie, Cruz, and Trump all running for POTUS from different parties. Could happen.



If the Republican Party chooses a candidate other than Donald Trump at its convention, the possibility that Trump would declare a third-party/ independent candidacy is already mainstream. This would create a three-candidate race for the presidency in which the independent actually has a chance to win, given the monumental disgust of the voting public with the corrupt, elitist and profoundly venal parties.

So what’s to keep Bernie Sanders from declaring as an independent candidate for the presidency? While Sanders has mouthed the expected platitudes about supporting Democratic Party hack Hillary Clinton, his ardent supporters–who almost by definition have zero loyalty to the elitist, permanent-war-is-wonderful Democratic party–might insist Bernie hold true to his independent roots and run as an independent.

That this has never happened before doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen.Granted, the American system is rigged in favor of the two parties; independents would face major hurdles in getting on the ballot.
Of Two Minds - Why Aren't We Talking About a Four-Candidate Race for the Presidency: Two Party Hacks and Trump and Sanders as Independents?

How about you and others on the right stop with the red herring fallacies and address the thread topic, which is Trump.

 

[Eaglewings]

Although I am far, far from a Trump supporter, what the GOP has done to him in Louisiana and Colorado is deplorable....as well, as what the DNC did to Sanders in Wyoming.

It seems that voters' preferences are being set aside for what the major parties really want to be nominated in primaries. The DNC well knew that having southern primaries early in the election cycle would give Hillary Clinton a huge early lead because of the minority voters in those southern states.....and the GOP is simply moronic in actually "wishing" for the likes of a Cruz to overtake Trump and his backers.

The acerbic quips by Trump that the "system is rigged" may not be too far from the truth and both parties' establishment wish to select who THEY wish to be nominated may soon backfire.

I can certainly understand that more and more people have pretty much had enough of our political system.

The danger is people tend to knee-jerk when angry, going too far. So while being attracted to "anti-establishment" types is understandable, the mere fact that someone is "anti-establishment" (or MORE anti-establishment than the other guy) doesn't necessarily make them a good idea for public office.

Trump is the perfect early example. Yes, he's anti-establishment and anti-PC, fine. But he is also a lot of other, less attractive things, too.

Moderation is good in most areas of life, but we have clearly forgotten that when it comes to politics.
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Why should we not knee-jerk when the people who we hired are ruining so many life's.

People do not listen to a moderate opposition as much as they are disgusted with violence.

Perhaps a good place to be is almost crazy, without violence..lol

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[nat4900]

Well if the Est. can do what ever the F+ck they want , why are we even having the primary's? Disappointing to see that it is probably just to generate tons of money I suppose..

....and don't forget those who benefit from these primaries; e.g., TV ads and higher ad revenue through primaries, printers, venue proprietors, hotels, radio stations, pollsters, etc....they organize the "dance" and we do the jig.