The FBI’s terrorism watch list violates the Constitution, federal judge says

[beautress]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

The watch list does violate the Constitution, in a number of ways.

First and for most, with this list, or any other list, you are assumed guilty and have to prove your innocence to get off the list. That is not the way it works, or is supposed to work, in this county.

Second, there is no due process, people do not even know they are on the list and could be on it for years without being able to defend themselves or face their accusers.

If your safety is far more important than your freedom, I suggest you move some where like Russia or China.

You and your ilk have been trying to remove people who have native American ancestors elsewhere for 400 years, because you couldn't get rid of those of us who had white eye grandmothers. Tough bananas.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

The watch list does violate the Constitution, in a number of ways.

First and for most, with this list, or any other list, you are assumed guilty and have to prove your innocence to get off the list. That is not the way it works, or is supposed to work, in this county.

Second, there is no due process, people do not even know they are on the list and could be on it for years without being able to defend themselves or face their accusers.

If your safety is far more important than your freedom, I suggest you move some where like Russia or China.

You and your ilk have been trying to remove people who have native American ancestors elsewhere for 400 years, because you couldn't get rid of those of us who had white eye grandmothers. Tough bananas.

what the fuck are you talking about? Are you drunk this morning?

And why do you hate the Constitution?

If you hate the Constitution, Russia would be a much better place for you, and they are mostly white which would appease your biases.

 

[beautress]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

The watch list does violate the Constitution, in a number of ways.

First and for most, with this list, or any other list, you are assumed guilty and have to prove your innocence to get off the list. That is not the way it works, or is supposed to work, in this county.

Second, there is no due process, people do not even know they are on the list and could be on it for years without being able to defend themselves or face their accusers.

If your safety is far more important than your freedom, I suggest you move some where like Russia or China.

You and your ilk have been trying to remove people who have native American ancestors elsewhere for 400 years, because you couldn't get rid of those of us who had white eye grandmothers. Tough bananas.

what the fuck are you talking about? Are you drunk this morning?

And why do you hate the Constitution?

If you hate the Constitution, Russia would be a much better place for you, and they are mostly white which would appease your biases.

Use the F word on someone who really cares, dufus.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

The watch list does violate the Constitution, in a number of ways.

First and for most, with this list, or any other list, you are assumed guilty and have to prove your innocence to get off the list. That is not the way it works, or is supposed to work, in this county.

Second, there is no due process, people do not even know they are on the list and could be on it for years without being able to defend themselves or face their accusers.

If your safety is far more important than your freedom, I suggest you move some where like Russia or China.

You and your ilk have been trying to remove people who have native American ancestors elsewhere for 400 years, because you couldn't get rid of those of us who had white eye grandmothers. Tough bananas.

what the fuck are you talking about? Are you drunk this morning?

And why do you hate the Constitution?

If you hate the Constitution, Russia would be a much better place for you, and they are mostly white which would appease your biases.

Use the F word on someone who really cares, dufus.

ohhh...the "f word"...what you are 12? it is just a fucking word, no different than any other word. Grow up for gods sake

 

[kyzr]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

It's important to remember here that presidents, and political agendas change. Having tools like this available to the government is dangerous to the voting public. The only thing that prevents these tools from being turned against YOU; is the will, and prerogative of whomever is in power.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the FISA abuses that the FBI just had regarding the Trump campaign, including George Papadope, and Carter Page? Keeping track of terrorists is a necessity, especially after 9/11. I don't want to fly with anyone who might want to blow-up of hijack the plane. So I disagree with your post because:
1. The FBI doesn't need any more help to spy illegally, they do it already
2. We do need high tech ways of tracking potential terrorists, especially after 9/11

My how ones tune will change when the powers that be determine that YOU, and those who believe what you do, ARE the terrorists. Peoples shortsightedness is what will cost us all our freedom...

We disagree. Back in the Clinton admin Janet Reno didn't like the name of "Carnivore" the FBI's new program to "spy" on everyone's email.
Carnivore | software

Can you imagine what the NSA and FBI have today to spy on us? Remember Edward Snowden? He leaked about the telecom surveillance network that the NSA was using, and that was back in 2013.
Edward Snowden - Wikipedia

Imagine forward...to AI surveillance. Ever see the movie "Eagle Eye"? Is that what we have to look forward to?

I'm not worried about terrorist watch lists for non-Americans. I'm worried about what's watching the rest of us.

 

[whitehall]

A million? Is President Trump on their list?

 

[iceberg]

Being put on that list for no other reason than being Muslim, and having no reasonable way to get off of it is an abuse of that list. Keep the list, but be careful to only put people on it that belong there.

Fuck that, let the government prove in front of a judge that a person belongs on the list and get a court order to do so. But not in the dark, in an open proceeding where the individual can defend themselves.

.

due process.

don't leave your rights without them.

 

[iceberg]

Being put on that list for no other reason than being Muslim, and having no reasonable way to get off of it is an abuse of that list. Keep the list, but be careful to only put people on it that belong there.

And don't let people ON the list buy or own guns.

so - a list that you can get put on w/o solid link TO YOU, and you have no idea you're even ON IT, is a valid way for gun control.

this is why people know you're one of the biggest turds god ever shit out.

 

[Vastator]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

It's important to remember here that presidents, and political agendas change. Having tools like this available to the government is dangerous to the voting public. The only thing that prevents these tools from being turned against YOU; is the will, and prerogative of whomever is in power.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the FISA abuses that the FBI just had regarding the Trump campaign, including George Papadope, and Carter Page? Keeping track of terrorists is a necessity, especially after 9/11. I don't want to fly with anyone who might want to blow-up of hijack the plane. So I disagree with your post because:
1. The FBI doesn't need any more help to spy illegally, they do it already
2. We do need high tech ways of tracking potential terrorists, especially after 9/11

My how ones tune will change when the powers that be determine that YOU, and those who believe what you do, ARE the terrorists. Peoples shortsightedness is what will cost us all our freedom...

We disagree. Back in the Clinton admin Janet Reno didn't like the name of "Carnivore" the FBI's new program to "spy" on everyone's email.
Carnivore | software

Can you imagine what the NSA and FBI have today to spy on us? Remember Edward Snowden? He leaked about the telecom surveillance network that the NSA was using, and that was back in 2013.
Edward Snowden - Wikipedia

Imagine forward...to AI surveillance. Ever see the movie "Eagle Eye"? Is that what we have to look forward to?

I'm not worried about terrorist watch lists for non-Americans. I'm worried about what's watching the rest of us.

The government isn't likely discriminating between "us" (actual americans), and "them" foreign threats. For the government "terrorist threat is anything that threatens is hold on, and collection of absolute power. That includes loudmouthed dissidents on internet forums. Like I said; all the tools have been forged, and are just laying there on the table. The only thing lacking is a "leader" with the will, and support to pick them up and use them. American dictatorship is the only turn-key, shovel ready project in this country. God help us all if those tools aren't stripped from the government; before an ambitious leader decides to say "fuck it", and pick them up and start using them...

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

The watch list does violate the Constitution, in a number of ways.

First and for most, with this list, or any other list, you are assumed guilty and have to prove your innocence to get off the list. That is not the way it works, or is supposed to work, in this county.

Second, there is no due process, people do not even know they are on the list and could be on it for years without being able to defend themselves or face their accusers.

If your safety is far more important than your freedom, I suggest you move some where like Russia or China.

You and your ilk have been trying to remove people who have native American ancestors elsewhere for 400 years, because you couldn't get rid of those of us who had white eye grandmothers. Tough bananas.

what the fuck are you talking about? Are you drunk this morning?

And why do you hate the Constitution?

If you hate the Constitution, Russia would be a much better place for you, and they are mostly white which would appease your biases.

Use the F word on someone who really cares, dufus.

ohhh...the "f word"...what you are 12? it is just a fucking word, no different than any other word. Grow up for gods sake

Treat the lady with respect, Gator Bait.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The watch list does violate the Constitution, in a number of ways.

First and for most, with this list, or any other list, you are assumed guilty and have to prove your innocence to get off the list. That is not the way it works, or is supposed to work, in this county.

Second, there is no due process, people do not even know they are on the list and could be on it for years without being able to defend themselves or face their accusers.

If your safety is far more important than your freedom, I suggest you move some where like Russia or China.

You and your ilk have been trying to remove people who have native American ancestors elsewhere for 400 years, because you couldn't get rid of those of us who had white eye grandmothers. Tough bananas.

what the fuck are you talking about? Are you drunk this morning?

And why do you hate the Constitution?

If you hate the Constitution, Russia would be a much better place for you, and they are mostly white which would appease your biases.

Use the F word on someone who really cares, dufus.

ohhh...the "f word"...what you are 12? it is just a fucking word, no different than any other word. Grow up for gods sake

Treat the lady with respect, Gator Bait.

Fuck off, she is no lady. She is right wing ewe that does nothing but parrot talking points and hates our constitution.

 

[Dana7360]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

Because it denies Americans their right to due process.

Names are put on that list without the knowledge of the person and without a process to get the name removed.

No one can confront their accuser in court and no one has the right to due process.

In fact the republicans screamed bloody murder when Obama wanted to deny those on the list to be able to purchase a weapon. The reason the republicans didn't want Obama to deny those on the list the right to buy a weapon was the fact that the list is wrong.

There are literally thousands of names on there that don't belong on that list. One of them is an employee of my ex. They both work at Boeing and travel a lot for their jobs. The employee is white, christian, of European descent, born and raised in Ohio. He is a computer/engineer geek nerd who is a right wing conservative. He has never had any connections to any terrorist and still can't find out why he's on that list nor can he get his name off of it. This started in the bush boy years so it's been going on for over a decade. Every time that person has to travel it takes hours because his name is on that list and there's no way to get his name off that list.

So your fake outrage over this correct ruling by a bush boy appointed judge is nothing but a disgusting lie.

 

[Dana7360]

Being put on that list for no other reason than being Muslim, and having no reasonable way to get off of it is an abuse of that list. Keep the list, but be careful to only put people on it that belong there.

And don't let people ON the list buy or own guns.

I'm pretty certain that list of people related to terrorists wasn't "thrown together" by know-nothings.

Then you would be wrong.

Senator Theodore Kennedy ended up on that list.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17073-2004Aug19.html

Even a fox news person ended up on that list. The only reason why he can figure he was put on that list was he and his wife bought one way tickets to Turkey. He and his wife took a cruise. They came back to the US through Athens. He believes that anyone who flies to Turkey gets put on that list because Turkey is a main travel point for jihadists going to Syria.

That's all it took.

How A Journalist Ended Up On A Terror Watch List

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You and your ilk have been trying to remove people who have native American ancestors elsewhere for 400 years, because you couldn't get rid of those of us who had white eye grandmothers. Tough bananas.

what the fuck are you talking about? Are you drunk this morning?

And why do you hate the Constitution?

If you hate the Constitution, Russia would be a much better place for you, and they are mostly white which would appease your biases.

Use the F word on someone who really cares, dufus.

ohhh...the "f word"...what you are 12? it is just a fucking word, no different than any other word. Grow up for gods sake

Treat the lady with respect, Gator Bait.

Fuck off, she is no lady. She is right wing ewe that does nothing but parrot talking points and hates our constitution.

You need a lesson in manners. Regardless of her political view, she is still a lady.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

what the fuck are you talking about? Are you drunk this morning?

And why do you hate the Constitution?

If you hate the Constitution, Russia would be a much better place for you, and they are mostly white which would appease your biases.

Use the F word on someone who really cares, dufus.

ohhh...the "f word"...what you are 12? it is just a fucking word, no different than any other word. Grow up for gods sake

Treat the lady with respect, Gator Bait.

Fuck off, she is no lady. She is right wing ewe that does nothing but parrot talking points and hates our constitution.

You need a lesson in manners. Regardless of her political view, she is still a lady.

Oh bite me. I am all for equal treatment for everyone.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Use the F word on someone who really cares, dufus.

ohhh...the "f word"...what you are 12? it is just a fucking word, no different than any other word. Grow up for gods sake

Treat the lady with respect, Gator Bait.

Fuck off, she is no lady. She is right wing ewe that does nothing but parrot talking points and hates our constitution.

You need a lesson in manners. Regardless of her political view, she is still a lady.

Oh bite me. I am all for equal treatment for everyone.

Therein lies the problem and why abuse of women is on the rise.

 

[OKTexas]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

You're not very smart are ya? Can you say a "denial of liberty" without "due process"? Damn it's so simple a commiecrat should be able to understand it..

America had no due process when Obama snapped his finger and brought 2 million Muslims with a belly fulla hate apiece over here unilaterally and he thought on the sly. That means that your great grandchildren will erase your name, take on a hajib, and face the East nine times a day. Coingratulations.

So you think you can selectively throw out the Constitution, it doesn't work that way child. Once rights are gone for some, they're gone for all. People like you are a greater threat to the American way of life than the people on that list. You're fucking pathetic.

.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

ohhh...the "f word"...what you are 12? it is just a fucking word, no different than any other word. Grow up for gods sake

Treat the lady with respect, Gator Bait.

Fuck off, she is no lady. She is right wing ewe that does nothing but parrot talking points and hates our constitution.

You need a lesson in manners. Regardless of her political view, she is still a lady.

Oh bite me. I am all for equal treatment for everyone.

Therein lies the problem and why abuse of women is on the rise.

oh fuck off and die you piece of shit. Because I use the word fuck around women I am not abusing them.

 

[OKTexas]

Being put on that list for no other reason than being Muslim, and having no reasonable way to get off of it is an abuse of that list. Keep the list, but be careful to only put people on it that belong there.

The 19 muslims that were immediately connected to 9/11 terrorist attacks were frequently housed and fed by corroborating Mosques with these Jihad warriors and their old-world families. I don't know if this aiding and abetting was innocent or with full knowledge of the grand slam these creeps pulled on 9/11/2001.

9/11/01 against America was a mistake by the Muslim world. Our Presidential Oath of office requires Donald Trump to provide for the common defence. He takes his oath seriously, and I am glad.

The word you were looking for is "collaborating".

.

No I wasn't.

You might want to use the machine setting in front of you to check the definitions. The two words may sound similar, but have very different meanings.

.

 

[OKTexas]

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that an FBI watch list of more than 1 million “known or suspected terrorists” violates the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens in the database. The decision from U.S. District Judge Anthony J. Trenga of the Eastern District of Virginia in favor of 23 Muslim Americans who sued over their inclusion in the Terrorist Screening Database found that the watch list infringes on their constitutional right to due process.

The only reason we haven't had a hit like 9/11 since that time is greatly in part because the public has been informed to look out for suspicious activity that would threaten masses of people like those people in the Twin Towers of New York City that served as the World Trade Center for this country.

Why is a District Judge ruling against the FBI which answers to the Executive Branch of the United States of America? Here it seems to me that we have a Judicial entity trying to remove a Presidential power that assists him with his oath of office to "provide for the common defense."

More here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...or-watch-list-unconstitutional/?noredirect=on

It's important to remember here that presidents, and political agendas change. Having tools like this available to the government is dangerous to the voting public. The only thing that prevents these tools from being turned against YOU; is the will, and prerogative of whomever is in power.

Maybe you haven't been paying attention to the FISA abuses that the FBI just had regarding the Trump campaign, including George Papadope, and Carter Page? Keeping track of terrorists is a necessity, especially after 9/11. I don't want to fly with anyone who might want to blow-up of hijack the plane. So I disagree with your post because:
1. The FBI doesn't need any more help to spy illegally, they do it already
2. We do need high tech ways of tracking potential terrorists, especially after 9/11

My how ones tune will change when the powers that be determine that YOU, and those who believe what you do, ARE the terrorists. Peoples shortsightedness is what will cost us all our freedom...

We disagree. Back in the Clinton admin Janet Reno didn't like the name of "Carnivore" the FBI's new program to "spy" on everyone's email.
Carnivore | software

Can you imagine what the NSA and FBI have today to spy on us? Remember Edward Snowden? He leaked about the telecom surveillance network that the NSA was using, and that was back in 2013.
Edward Snowden - Wikipedia

Imagine forward...to AI surveillance. Ever see the movie "Eagle Eye"? Is that what we have to look forward to?

I'm not worried about terrorist watch lists for non-Americans. I'm worried about what's watching the rest of us.

A substantial number of the people on that list ARE Americans.

.