The Forgotten Part Of Normandy

Stryder50 said:
No I didn't. I don't see Stalin as the only or prime "controlling factor".

France and England were at war and attacked by Germany nearly two years before Russia was in the picture ~ other than that botch where Russia attacked Finland and grabbed some turf in 1940 - The Winter War. (BTW, at that time, it being before the attack on France in early Summer of 1940, England and France were working on plans to come to Finland's aid against Russia, but the war ended in a settlement before those could jell.)

Then after the fall of France there was the Battle of Britain in later Summer 1940, which the Brits would refer to as "The Blitz". While there was an intense couple of months, it eventually tapered off to more sporadic attacks during the next two years.

Also at this time (attack into France by Germany), Italy declared war on France and England, attacked from Libya into Egypt and set off the whole North Africa, East Africa, and Mediterranean Theaters of action.

So when the attack/invasion of Russia happened in June 1941, and tied up the majority of the German Army and tanks, keeping Russia in the war and not defeated, or striking another "deal" with Germany like happened with regard to Poland a few years earlier, became essential to give the West a better chance to attack through France, eventually.

Stalin made his demands, and while FDR might have leaned in favor of Uncle Joe, both being fellow 'socialists', Churchill made a strong counter weight and point in regards to USA's "Germany First" policy, and provided a base of reality and perspective opposite Stalin's narrow Russian priority.

Also remmeber that during most of the war Russia wouldn't declare against Japan, despite FDR and Churchill pleading, so there was a sense of "If you don't do this, we can't do that" in the USA and UK relations with the USSR.
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Communists are always dictatorships, socialists are always democratic everywhere in the world but brainwashed English speaking world. The French Spanish Italians Russians Germans etc etc all had socialists and communist parties. The socialists always won and the communists disappeared after the fall of the USSR and its support. Nazis and communists like to refer to themselves as some kind of socialists, but only fools believe their ridiculous propaganda and nomenclatures...
 
PoliticalChic said:
Time and again, the world has been saved by villains making mistakes.


Case in point:

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Democrat policies/governance revealed.
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democratic policies my butt, economic problems are all about Putin and crazy stuff like the bird flu. And brainwashed fools not getting vaccinated and wearing masks when they should... Thanks GOP for your catastrophic propaganda and BS that spreads around the world and scares some smart people to home.... And opens the place up to Russian propaganda for God's sake. The GOP is a disaster
 
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francoHFW said:
Rome was taken about the same time as Normandy and Normandy was damn risky, if they had woken up Hitler, could have been totally different.... Could have been a total loss. While that could not happen in Yugoslavia Austria Hungary (and a lot of the civilian deaths would not have been our allies. and a lot of the civilian deaths would not have been our more french civilians were killed than allied soldiers in the battle of france 1944. ) and Greece et cetera. Either way.... Hitler's stupidity caused the Falaise gap when he told them they couldn't retreat...
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The Allies took Rome because Germany abandoned it. For two reasons, number one, they didn't want to destroy it, as they did in Paris as well, and 2nd, it is fairly hard to defend. Instead they pulled back to far more defensive terrain.

Normandy was actually a fairly straightforward proposition. There was one German Tank regiment, part of the 21st Pz Division, that had the ability to get to the beaches in the critical hours, but the Brit Para units at Pegasus Bridge prevented them from making it.

And no, Hitler wasn't asleep when the critical decision needed to be made about sending reinforcements to the Normandy beachhead, the Americans had spent months, with the help of a very special US Army Signal Corps unit, creating the fiction that there was a large invasion force at the Pas de Calais. That is why Hitler wouldn't release the reserves.

For someone with a supposed Masters degree you are remarkably ignorant of military history.
 
francoHFW said:
Communists are always dictatorships, socialists are always democratic everywhere in the world but brainwashed English speaking world. The French Spanish Italians Russians Germans etc etc all had socialists and communist parties. The socialists always won and the communists disappeared after the fall of the USSR and its support. Nazis and communists like to refer to themselves as some kind of socialists, but only fools believe their ridiculous propaganda and nomenclatures...
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Communists, socialists, and fascists ARE ALL THE SAME HOUSE. They are just painted slightly different colors.


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francoHFW said:
democratic policies my butt, economic problems are all about Putin and crazy stuff like the bird flu. And brainwashed fools not getting vaccinated and wearing masks when they should... Thanks GOP for your catastrophic propaganda and BS that spreads around the world and scares some smart people to home.... And opens the place up to Russian propaganda for God's sake. The GOP is a disaster
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Everyone knows that that is a lie from a Democrat apologist.


We warned before the election about the mistake of voting Democrat becasue of the policies.
So....you believe men can become pregnant, that open borders is correct for a nation, that energy independence is a bad idea, that skyrocketing crime rates is acceptable, and oppressing folks because they were born with white skin is the correct path.
That's what you voted for.




I posted this before the election.....

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...and, as always, I am never wrong.
 
westwall said:
The Allies took Rome because Germany abandoned it. For two reasons, number one, they didn't want to destroy it, as they did in Paris as well, and 2nd, it is fairly hard to defend. Instead they pulled back to far more defensive terrain.

Normandy was actually a fairly straightforward proposition. There was one German Tank regiment, part of the 21st Pz Division, that had the ability to get to the beaches in the critical hours, but the Brit Para units at Pegasus Bridge prevented them from making it.

And no, Hitler wasn't asleep when the critical decision needed to be made about sending reinforcements to the Normandy beachhead, the Americans had spent months, with the help of a very special US Army Signal Corps unit, creating the fiction that there was a large invasion force at the Pas de Calais. That is why Hitler wouldn't release the reserves.

For someone with a supposed Masters degree you are remarkably ignorant of military history.
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I would certainly like a link to Hitler not being the problem for the tanks.... I have visited all these places three times had lunch at Pegasus bridge cafe... . My uncle the CBE had a very nice cottage at Merville and we spent two weeks in Cabourg when I was like 8.... Also very proud to say I saw the wreck of the HMS warspite age 2 and a half and reached the bow of the Queen Elizabeth when I was 9 lol.....
 
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westwall said:
Communists, socialists, and fascists ARE ALL THE SAME HOUSE. They are just painted slightly different colors.


DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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total baloney. You have no knowledge except what ridiculous idiotic propagandists tell you. Fascists are capitalists you have to take into account the economies they are for. The British are super capitalists and and propagandists and only English speakers don't know the difference between communists and socialists, democracy repeat 1000 times. They have to call themselves Labor Party greens Democrats Social Democrats etcetera etcetera. They are all socialists. Every modern country but us are socialists. The British got socialism after World War Two but they had to call themselves Labor Party LOL. This is the reason we are the only modern country without a living wage healthcare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich for crying out loud.
 
PoliticalChic said:
Everyone knows that that is a lie from a Democrat apologist.


We warned before the election about the mistake of voting Democrat becasue of the policies.
So....you believe men can become pregnant, that open borders is correct for a nation, that energy independence is a bad idea, that skyrocketing crime rates is acceptable, and oppressing folks because they were born with white skin is the correct path.
That's what you voted for.




I posted this before the election.....

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...and, as always, I am never wrong.
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i don't know anybody who is in favor of those things period. I am all about a living wage healthcare daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich like every other modern country- for 50 years now thank you GOP. This GOP giveaway to the rich and ******** propaganda has given us the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere .... period a disgrace period change the channel
 
westwall said:
Communists, socialists, and fascists ARE ALL THE SAME HOUSE. They are just painted slightly different colors.


DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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communists and fascists are dictatorships, socialists are democracies period end of story. Only English speakers don't know it. The British have had the most money and the best propaganda for centuries. Because they have the English Channel just like we have the Atlantic Ocean Ditto Canada Australia and New Zealand, crafty super savage capitalist ******** LOL
 
westwall said:
The Allies took Rome because Germany abandoned it. For two reasons, number one, they didn't want to destroy it, as they did in Paris as well, and 2nd, it is fairly hard to defend. Instead they pulled back to far more defensive terrain.

Normandy was actually a fairly straightforward proposition. There was one German Tank regiment, part of the 21st Pz Division, that had the ability to get to the beaches in the critical hours, but the Brit Para units at Pegasus Bridge prevented them from making it.

And no, Hitler wasn't asleep when the critical decision needed to be made about sending reinforcements to the Normandy beachhead, the Americans had spent months, with the help of a very special US Army Signal Corps unit, creating the fiction that there was a large invasion force at the Pas de Calais. That is why Hitler wouldn't release the reserves.

For someone with a supposed Masters degree you are remarkably ignorant of military history.
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BS, super dupe

 
francoHFW said:
I would certainly like a link to Hitler not being the problem for the tanks.... I have visited all these places three times had lunch at Pegasus bridge cafe... . My uncle the CBE had a very nice cottage at Merville and we spent two weeks in Cabourg when I was like 8.... Also very proud to say I saw the wreck of the HMS warspite age 2 and a half and reached the bow of the Queen Elizabeth when I was 9 lol.....
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Great, you like looking at shipwrecks. Amazingly enough they have no bearing on what we are talking about.
 
westwall said:
Great, you like looking at shipwrecks. Amazingly enough they have no bearing on what we are talking about.
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HMS Warspite had all the greatest stories to tell and even when they took her to be scrapped, she broke her tow line and came into a beach in Cornwall right next to the English version of mount st michele.... I don't think you're really very interested in history or you would know that Hitler should have been woken up and the Germans probably would have made a close run thing as it was,,,,
 
francoHFW said:
HMS Warspite had all the greatest stories to tell and even when they took her to be scrapped, she broke her tow line and came into a beach in Cornwall right next to the English version of mount st michele.... I don't think you're really very interested in history or you would know that Hitler should have been woken up and the Germans probably would have made a close run thing as it was,,,,
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The OKW was certain that the Normandy venture was a feint thanks to the months of work put in by the afore mentioned Signals Unit.

That's why no one bothered to wake him.

And, when he did wake up, he was still certain that the real attack was going to be at the Pas de Calais, because, yet again, that signals unit had convinced everyone that that was where the attack was coming from.

Patton was even the leader of the ghost army.

If you had half a brain, and a real Masters in history, you would know all of that.
 
francoHFW said:
total baloney. You have no knowledge except what ridiculous idiotic propagandists tell you. Fascists are capitalists you have to take into account the economies they are for. The British are super capitalists and and propagandists and only English speakers don't know the difference between communists and socialists, democracy repeat 1000 times. They have to call themselves Labor Party greens Democrats Social Democrats etcetera etcetera. They are all socialists. Every modern country but us are socialists. The British got socialism after World War Two but they had to call themselves Labor Party LOL. This is the reason we are the only modern country without a living wage healthcare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich for crying out loud.
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Wrong again history-deprived boy.

Fascism is what FDR imposed in his New Deal.

Fascists, Nazis, Maoists, Bolsheviks and Democrats are all collectivists with un-American doctrines that inclued oppression and murder.
Take notes:
The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
“free markets, free voices, free people”

,
Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

The Democrats check every one of those boxes.



They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."



“The world was not really made up of wicked tyrants and free-born men who were kept in chains. The example of America proved that. After their revolution, the Americans had quarreled amongst themselves for a few years about whether the country should be run by the upper classes—known as Federalists—or the people, who called themselves Democratic republicans. Hamilton, the secretary of the treasury, believed that America needed a strong government supported by bankers. Thomas Jefferson believed in complete freedom of speech and a people’s democracy.

In 1801, the Democrats won, and America continued to nurture individualism and to allow complete freedom of expression where politics was concerned. No one preached that the rich were wicked, or that the wealth of the country ought to be distributed equally among every man, woman and child. There was no need, since everyone had equal opportunities. So the Americans went their cheerful, materialistic way and grew prosperous. Obviously, this conflict between socialism and individualism was quite unnecessary.”
Colin Wilson, “Criminal History of Mankind.”



And then you Marxist took control of the Democrat Party.
 
francoHFW said:
i don't know anybody who is in favor of those things period. I am all about a living wage healthcare daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations and mainly taxing the rich like every other modern country- for 50 years now thank you GOP. This GOP giveaway to the rich and ******** propaganda has given us the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and anywhere .... period a disgrace period change the channel
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This is what your party has become, and you don't have the stones or the IQ to reject it:


The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism,

socialism,

infanticide,

opposition to free speech,

standing with criminals and felons rather than law-abiding citizens

substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry,

support for rioters, arsonists, murderers, and anarchists,

accepting payment from Communist China for future considerations,

and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Now......which is your favorite?
 
francoHFW said:
communists and fascists are dictatorships, socialists are democracies period end of story. Only English speakers don't know it. The British have had the most money and the best propaganda for centuries. Because they have the English Channel just like we have the Atlantic Ocean Ditto Canada Australia and New Zealand, crafty super savage capitalist ******** LOL
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There is only one person in this picture who is not a Communist, Nazi, Fascist or Democrat.......see if you can find him:


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PoliticalChic said:
Wrong again history-deprived boy.

Fascism is what FDR imposed in his New Deal.

Fascists, Nazis, Maoists, Bolsheviks and Democrats are all collectivists with un-American doctrines that inclued oppression and murder.
Take notes:
The Founders, classical liberals, conservatives
a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
“free markets, free voices, free people”

,
Fascists, Nazis, Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Communists, Democrats
b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



None of the totalitarian forms of political plague have the slightest concern for human life: not communism (gulags), not Nazism (concentration camps), not Liberalism (abortion), not Progressivism (eugenics), not socialism (theft), not fascism (murder).

The Democrats check every one of those boxes.



They only differ in the final outcome: slavery, serfdom, or death.

They all follow Trotsky: "We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life."



“The world was not really made up of wicked tyrants and free-born men who were kept in chains. The example of America proved that. After their revolution, the Americans had quarreled amongst themselves for a few years about whether the country should be run by the upper classes—known as Federalists—or the people, who called themselves Democratic republicans. Hamilton, the secretary of the treasury, believed that America needed a strong government supported by bankers. Thomas Jefferson believed in complete freedom of speech and a people’s democracy.

In 1801, the Democrats won, and America continued to nurture individualism and to allow complete freedom of expression where politics was concerned. No one preached that the rich were wicked, or that the wealth of the country ought to be distributed equally among every man, woman and child. There was no need, since everyone had equal opportunities. So the Americans went their cheerful, materialistic way and grew prosperous. Obviously, this conflict between socialism and individualism was quite unnecessary.”
Colin Wilson, “Criminal History of Mankind.”



And then you Marxist took control of the Democrat Party.
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absolute crap about Democrats. Was the election stolen?
 
francoHFW said:
absolute crap about Democrats. Was the election stolen?
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Watch me prove it:




The Constitution is known as ‘the law of the land.’

The U.S. Constitution calls itself the "supreme law of the land." This clause is taken to mean that when state constitutions or laws passed by state legislatures or the national Congress are found to conflict with the federal Constitution, they have no force.

The Constitution as Supreme Law

http://www.let.rug.nl › usa › outlines › government-1991




The fact is that the only document that Americans have agreed to be governed by is the Constitution. It is written in English….no ‘interpretation’ is required.



Wherein we find this:
Under the second clause of Article II of the Constitution, the legislatures of the several states have exclusive power to direct the manner in which the electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed.
Such appointment may be made by the legislatures directly, or by popular vote in districts, or by general ticket, as may be provided by the legislature.”

​

McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1 (1892)

supreme.justia.com



But....this occurred: courts altered voting rules.
“In Pennsylvania, the question was whether the state’s Supreme Court could override voting rules set by the state legislature. In North Carolina, the question was whether state election officials had the power to alter such voting rules.”
NYTimes

Sooo.....no, the election was not correctly decided, and we don't actually know who won the election.





Article VI, Paragraph 2 of the U.S. Constitution is commonly referred to as the Supremacy Clause. It establishes that the federal constitution, and federal law generally, take precedence over state laws, and even state constitutions.

Supremacy Clause | Wex | US Law
 
francoHFW said:
absolute crap about Democrats. Was the election stolen?
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The fact is that the only document that Americans have agreed to be governed by is the Constitution. It is written in English….no ‘interpretation’ is required.







Wherein we find this:
Under the second clause of Article II of the Constitution, the legislatures of the several states have exclusive power to direct the manner in which the electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed.
Such appointment may be made by the legislatures directly, or by popular vote in districts, or by general ticket, as may be provided by the legislature.”



A number of Democrat states allowed

it state governors,







election officials,







attorneys general,







state courts,







state constitutions,







sec’ys of state,







election commission......





to alter “time, place, and manner” of elections.




None of the above is constitutional.
 
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