The glaring evidence that Obamacare is a catastrophic FAILURE continues to mount

[Antares]

I guess you couldn't find an adult that could read? How are you going to learn that way?

Run liberal run!

I feel sorry for you, so I'll give you another chance. What section of the Constitution can I find where it verifies your assertion that the Supreme Court gets to decide whether or not the American people can be forced to purchase a good or service?

You do realize it makes you look REALLY bad every time you fail to give this simple answer.

I gave you a golden opportunity to learn. You've turned it down. That is exactly what makes you a conservative.

Too funny.

Obama simply lied, he DID say "Let me be perfectly clear, if you like your plan and your Doctor you will be able to keep them."

No matter how you try and spin it thats what he said and thats what he meant to convey.

I don't think you are stupid, but you've proven to be a liar.

 

[Antares]

It is sad that this has to happen.

It's also sad that the GOP has convinced people of "death panels", "losing freedom" and all the other hysterical nonsense that you sheep believe, that have actually made you think you hate a law that is a Republican idea.

So yeah, it's sad that a campaign needs to be waged to combat such blatant misinformation.

' ...the GOP has convinced people of "death panels",...'

Actually, it quite the reverse.....Obamunists have lied about there being no such thing.




You must have missed this from Stephen Rattner, Obama adviser, in the NYTimes:

"WE need Death Panels.
Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/health-care-reform-beyond-obamacare.html?_r=0



What, exactly, do you think rationing is about?

All resources are rationed when demand exceeds supply.

Ahh yes...and now you feel qualified to say who lives and who dies.....all in the name of "fairness".

 

[P@triot]

What, exactly, do you think rationing is about?

All resources are rationed when demand exceeds supply.

And sadly, Dumbocrat policy ALWAYS ends with demand exceeding supply because Dumbocrat policy punishes the hard working producers and rewards the lazy parasite.

Cuba is the perfect example of PMZ utopia. Fidel Castro implemented every policy that PMZ fantasizes about. The results? 60+ years of poverty and misery.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

--Winston Churchill

 

[dblack]

The whole idea behind rationing is that it's a control distribution mechanism - ie the opposite of relatively uncontrolled, market-based distribution.

I agree with you about the dictionary definition but am trying to figure out why it makes sense to anybody to think that some ways to divey up scarce resources is any more or less legitimate than any other?

They're really all different expressions of power. If you can get away with it, you can do it.

Well, this gets to the key distinction between political and economic power. Economic power precludes coercion. Political power depends on it. No matter how much economic power a business or wealthy individual may wield, they can't (legally) force me to do a damned thing. If I defy the law, on the other hand, the ultimate end is always the barrel of a gun.

 

[P@triot]

First, I believe that a healthy population is in the country's best interest. I don't know if that makes it a right or not, but like education, any goal short of everyone to me is irrational.

Ahh yes... the "utopia" known as communism. Yes folks, PMZ really is this stupid (but he won't move to Cuba for some odd reason)!

In the past our dysfunctional non- system was to let everyone do what ever they wanted, at least up to age 65, but die in the streets. That we eliminated by insisting that hospital e rooms take care of everyone.

So freedom - ie let everyone do what they want with their own healthcare - is "dysfunctional" in the mind of PMZ. This moron can't get out a single sentence that isn't oozing with communism.

ACA insists that everyone be responsible for their own health care costs

Blatant lie and PMZ knows it (the party of propaganda proves it yet again). Since Obamacare has caused costs to skyrocket, how could people who couldn't afford health insurance before suddenly afford it now?

Furthermore - why did my taxes skyrocket to unfathomable levels for Obamacare if I'm not picking up the tab for parasites like PMZ? Where exactly is they money going?

I've lost track of how many lies we've caught [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] in now...

Compared to the rest of the developed world it is the minimum government could and should do.

And this is one of your major problems asshat. We're not the rest of the world. We are America. We are better than the rest of the world. If you want the rest of the world - nobody is stopping you from leaving. That's another beauty of America - the freedom to get the fuck out any time you don't like it.

I believe that 100% of the Republican resistance to it is dirty politics completely devoid of responsibility to the country.

I already educated you on this son. The "responsibility" is the 18 enumerated powers delegated to them in the U.S. Constitution (you know, that document you have never read?). Beyond that, there is ZERO "responsibility" for the federal government to do shit - and, in fact - it is illegal for them to take responsibility over.

Given those beliefs, would you act any differently than I do?

Why would anybody act like an asshole like you do, regardless of their beliefs? The truth (something you refuse to deal in) is that your angry because you're a useless parasite. You want people to be forced to hand over what they earned to you. It's just a fact. You are what you are - a parasite.

 

[RKMBrown]

All resources are rationed when demand exceeds supply.

Bull shit. Did you not watch what happened at the Walmart the other day when they took the limits off the EBT cards? The thieves robbed us blind of nearly everything in the stores. When supplies are handed out for free no amount of supply can satiate the desires of moochers like you.

That’s rationing based on power and low inhibition. The basis of most crime.

Go see the movie Captain Phillips. You'll learn a lot about the consequences of extreme wealth inequity.

I watched it. Great movie. Yes, it shows the kind of country you want ours to be, Somalia, with the pirates "redistributing" wealth at the point of a gun because their leaders grand plans for "socialism" did not work out as they hoped.

And yes, your power to redistribute my income by force at the voting booth, and your low inhibition to doing so, is the basis of the crime that we are talking about.

 

[P@triot]

Bull shit. Did you not watch what happened at the Walmart the other day when they took the limits off the EBT cards? The thieves robbed us blind of nearly everything in the stores. When supplies are handed out for free no amount of supply can satiate the desires of moochers like you.

That’s rationing based on power and low inhibition. The basis of most crime.

Go see the movie Captain Phillips. You'll learn a lot about the consequences of extreme wealth inequity.

I watched it. Great movie. Yes, it shows the kind of country you want ours to be, Somalia, with the pirates "redistributing" wealth at the point of a gun because their leaders grand plans for "socialism" did not work out as they hoped.

And yes, your power to redistribute my income by force at the voting booth, and your low inhibition to doing so, is the basis of the crime that we are talking about.

 

[P@triot]

Go see the movie Captain Phillips. You'll learn a lot about the consequences of extreme wealth inequity.

Here we see the modern day Dumbocrat threaten violence again to get us to capitulate on their extortion.

First of all [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] - the U.S. has never had "wealth inequality". What we've had - thanks to Dumbocrats like you and Obama - is effort inequality. While Obama was snorting coke up his nose by the kilo, I was working. While you were drinking case after case of beer in your trailer park, I was working.

Second - in this nation, all of the conservatives are heavily armed while Dumbocrats are defenseless, helpless children. So if you want to act like a Somalian pirate, I have one sincere thing to say to you: come get some, bitch...

 

[RKMBrown]

Go see the movie Captain Phillips. You'll learn a lot about the consequences of extreme wealth inequity.

Here we see the modern day Dumbocrat threaten violence again to get us to capitulate on their extortion.

First of all [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] - the U.S. has never had "wealth inequality". What we've had - thanks to Dumbocrats like you and Obama - is effort inequality. While Obama was snorting coke up his nose by the kilo, I was working. While you were drinking case after case of beer in your trailer park, I was working.

Second - in this nation, all of the conservatives are heavily armed while Dumbocrats are defenseless, helpless children. So if you want to act like a Somalian pirate, I have one sincere thing to say to you: come get some, bitch...

I'm thinking Tom Hanks for oscar.. what a performance.

 

[PMZ]

Run liberal run!

I feel sorry for you, so I'll give you another chance. What section of the Constitution can I find where it verifies your assertion that the Supreme Court gets to decide whether or not the American people can be forced to purchase a good or service?

You do realize it makes you look REALLY bad every time you fail to give this simple answer.

I gave you a golden opportunity to learn. You've turned it down. That is exactly what makes you a conservative.

Too funny.

Obama simply lied, he DID say "Let me be perfectly clear, if you like your plan and your Doctor you will be able to keep them."

No matter how you try and spin it thats what he said and thats what he meant to convey.

I don't think you are stupid, but you've proven to be a liar.

Only a conservative would believe that there's only one way to interpret his words and that’s the way Fox did.

Ultimate arrogance and intellectual dishonestly.

 

[PMZ]

' ...the GOP has convinced people of "death panels",...'

Actually, it quite the reverse.....Obamunists have lied about there being no such thing.




You must have missed this from Stephen Rattner, Obama adviser, in the NYTimes:

"WE need Death Panels.
Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/health-care-reform-beyond-obamacare.html?_r=0



What, exactly, do you think rationing is about?

All resources are rationed when demand exceeds supply.

Ahh yes...and now you feel qualified to say who lives and who dies.....all in the name of "fairness".

Dr's and insurance companies have been doing that for years. So has the military, drunk and unsafe drivers, murderers, police, courts.

Not me.

 

[PMZ]

What, exactly, do you think rationing is about?

All resources are rationed when demand exceeds supply.

And sadly, Dumbocrat policy ALWAYS ends with demand exceeding supply because Dumbocrat policy punishes the hard working producers and rewards the lazy parasite.

Cuba is the perfect example of PMZ utopia. Fidel Castro implemented every policy that PMZ fantasizes about. The results? 60+ years of poverty and misery.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

--Winston Churchill

Here's the simple evidence of experience. Democratic administrations have been pretty successful. Republicans disastrous. Just look at the billions wasted by the current Republican House and the trillions wasted by the previous Republican President. That's why propaganda is the only explanation for supporting the GOP. You just can't get there through truth.

 

[Antares]

I gave you a golden opportunity to learn. You've turned it down. That is exactly what makes you a conservative.

Too funny.

Obama simply lied, he DID say "Let me be perfectly clear, if you like your plan and your Doctor you will be able to keep them."

No matter how you try and spin it thats what he said and thats what he meant to convey.

I don't think you are stupid, but you've proven to be a liar.

Only a conservative would believe that there's only one way to interpret his words and that’s the way Fox did.

Ultimate arrogance and intellectual dishonestly.

LOL dumbshit, NBC revealed today that Obama knew...it is posted in the Politics section....you like that Bammy cum do you?

 

[Antares]

All resources are rationed when demand exceeds supply.

Ahh yes...and now you feel qualified to say who lives and who dies.....all in the name of "fairness".

Dr's and insurance companies have been doing that for years. So has the military, drunk and unsafe drivers, murderers, police, courts.

Not me.

Supporting it is no different...like I said last night...you are no more than a Dem sloganeer....and you are dismissed.

 

[PMZ]

First, I believe that a healthy population is in the country's best interest. I don't know if that makes it a right or not, but like education, any goal short of everyone to me is irrational.

Ahh yes... the "utopia" known as communism. Yes folks, PMZ really is this stupid (but he won't move to Cuba for some odd reason)!

In the past our dysfunctional non- system was to let everyone do what ever they wanted, at least up to age 65, but die in the streets. That we eliminated by insisting that hospital e rooms take care of everyone.

So freedom - ie let everyone do what they want with their own healthcare - is "dysfunctional" in the mind of PMZ. This moron can't get out a single sentence that isn't oozing with communism.



Blatant lie and PMZ knows it (the party of propaganda proves it yet again). Since Obamacare has caused costs to skyrocket, how could people who couldn't afford health insurance before suddenly afford it now?

Furthermore - why did my taxes skyrocket to unfathomable levels for Obamacare if I'm not picking up the tab for parasites like PMZ? Where exactly is they money going?

I've lost track of how many lies we've caught [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] in now...



And this is one of your major problems asshat. We're not the rest of the world. We are America. We are better than the rest of the world. If you want the rest of the world - nobody is stopping you from leaving. That's another beauty of America - the freedom to get the fuck out any time you don't like it.

I believe that 100% of the Republican resistance to it is dirty politics completely devoid of responsibility to the country.

I already educated you on this son. The "responsibility" is the 18 enumerated powers delegated to them in the U.S. Constitution (you know, that document you have never read?). Beyond that, there is ZERO "responsibility" for the federal government to do shit - and, in fact - it is illegal for them to take responsibility over.

Given those beliefs, would you act any differently than I do?

Why would anybody act like an asshole like you do, regardless of their beliefs? The truth (something you refuse to deal in) is that your angry because you're a useless parasite. You want people to be forced to hand over what they earned to you. It's just a fact. You are what you are - a parasite.

Nobody can explain this level of delusion any way but ignorance. And the fact that there are as many people delusional in exactly the same way can only be explained by propaganda.

Fortunately democracy solves these problems. Not by eliminating them but rendering them impotent.

America once again saved by our Constitution and electorate.

 

[PMZ]

Go see the movie Captain Phillips. You'll learn a lot about the consequences of extreme wealth inequity.

Here we see the modern day Dumbocrat threaten violence again to get us to capitulate on their extortion.

First of all [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] - the U.S. has never had "wealth inequality". What we've had - thanks to Dumbocrats like you and Obama - is effort inequality. While Obama was snorting coke up his nose by the kilo, I was working. While you were drinking case after case of beer in your trailer park, I was working.

Second - in this nation, all of the conservatives are heavily armed while Dumbocrats are defenseless, helpless children. So if you want to act like a Somalian pirate, I have one sincere thing to say to you: come get some, bitch...

You sound just like the British before our revolution, the Versailles royalty before the French Revolution and the Confederacy before the Civil War.

I don't remember if you saw Captain Phillips or not, but if you do you'll something about armed rebels vs the US military.

''the U.S. has never had "wealth inequality"

Pure delusion.

 

[RKMBrown]

First, I believe that a healthy population is in the country's best interest. I don't know if that makes it a right or not, but like education, any goal short of everyone to me is irrational.

Ahh yes... the "utopia" known as communism. Yes folks, PMZ really is this stupid (but he won't move to Cuba for some odd reason)!



So freedom - ie let everyone do what they want with their own healthcare - is "dysfunctional" in the mind of PMZ. This moron can't get out a single sentence that isn't oozing with communism.



Blatant lie and PMZ knows it (the party of propaganda proves it yet again). Since Obamacare has caused costs to skyrocket, how could people who couldn't afford health insurance before suddenly afford it now?

Furthermore - why did my taxes skyrocket to unfathomable levels for Obamacare if I'm not picking up the tab for parasites like PMZ? Where exactly is they money going?

I've lost track of how many lies we've caught [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] in now...



And this is one of your major problems asshat. We're not the rest of the world. We are America. We are better than the rest of the world. If you want the rest of the world - nobody is stopping you from leaving. That's another beauty of America - the freedom to get the fuck out any time you don't like it.



I already educated you on this son. The "responsibility" is the 18 enumerated powers delegated to them in the U.S. Constitution (you know, that document you have never read?). Beyond that, there is ZERO "responsibility" for the federal government to do shit - and, in fact - it is illegal for them to take responsibility over.

Given those beliefs, would you act any differently than I do?

Why would anybody act like an asshole like you do, regardless of their beliefs? The truth (something you refuse to deal in) is that your angry because you're a useless parasite. You want people to be forced to hand over what they earned to you. It's just a fact. You are what you are - a parasite.

Nobody can explain this level of delusion any way but ignorance. And the fact that there are as many people delusional in exactly the same way can only be explained by propaganda.

Fortunately democracy solves these problems. Not by eliminating them but rendering them impotent.

America once again saved by our Constitution and electorate.

ROFL I love it when your cognitive dissonance kicks in, you put your hands over your ears and start screaming FOX FOX propaganda propaganda democracy democracy.... ROFL

 

[P@triot]

I gave you a golden opportunity to learn. You've turned it down. That is exactly what makes you a conservative.

Too funny.

Obama simply lied, he DID say "Let me be perfectly clear, if you like your plan and your Doctor you will be able to keep them."

No matter how you try and spin it thats what he said and thats what he meant to convey.

I don't think you are stupid, but you've proven to be a liar.

Only a conservative would believe that there's only one way to interpret his words and that’s the way Fox did.

Ultimate arrogance and intellectual dishonestly.

Why are you "interpreting" anything? Is Obama not capable of saying exactly what he means, and meaning exactly what he says?

Only a Dumbocrat could listen to a man who is so adamant about a fact that he's practically foaming at the mouth and then declare "there is more than one way to INTERPRET what he said"...

Words have no meaning to a Dumbocrat

 

[PMZ]

Ahh yes... the "utopia" known as communism. Yes folks, PMZ really is this stupid (but he won't move to Cuba for some odd reason)!



So freedom - ie let everyone do what they want with their own healthcare - is "dysfunctional" in the mind of PMZ. This moron can't get out a single sentence that isn't oozing with communism.



Blatant lie and PMZ knows it (the party of propaganda proves it yet again). Since Obamacare has caused costs to skyrocket, how could people who couldn't afford health insurance before suddenly afford it now?

Furthermore - why did my taxes skyrocket to unfathomable levels for Obamacare if I'm not picking up the tab for parasites like PMZ? Where exactly is they money going?

I've lost track of how many lies we've caught [MENTION=43872]PMZ[/MENTION] in now...



And this is one of your major problems asshat. We're not the rest of the world. We are America. We are better than the rest of the world. If you want the rest of the world - nobody is stopping you from leaving. That's another beauty of America - the freedom to get the fuck out any time you don't like it.



I already educated you on this son. The "responsibility" is the 18 enumerated powers delegated to them in the U.S. Constitution (you know, that document you have never read?). Beyond that, there is ZERO "responsibility" for the federal government to do shit - and, in fact - it is illegal for them to take responsibility over.



Why would anybody act like an asshole like you do, regardless of their beliefs? The truth (something you refuse to deal in) is that your angry because you're a useless parasite. You want people to be forced to hand over what they earned to you. It's just a fact. You are what you are - a parasite.

Nobody can explain this level of delusion any way but ignorance. And the fact that there are as many people delusional in exactly the same way can only be explained by propaganda.

Fortunately democracy solves these problems. Not by eliminating them but rendering them impotent.

America once again saved by our Constitution and electorate.

ROFL I love it when your cognitive dissonance kicks in, you put your hands over your ears and start screaming FOX FOX propaganda propaganda democracy democracy.... ROFL

I love democracy. That's why I continue to live here. There's no better way to govern than of, by, and for the people. All Americans used to know that. Now a few million hate their country all using exactly the same words.

How do you explain that except as the effects of propaganda?

 

[P@triot]

All resources are rationed when demand exceeds supply.

And sadly, Dumbocrat policy ALWAYS ends with demand exceeding supply because Dumbocrat policy punishes the hard working producers and rewards the lazy parasite.

Cuba is the perfect example of PMZ utopia. Fidel Castro implemented every policy that PMZ fantasizes about. The results? 60+ years of poverty and misery.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

--Winston Churchill

Here's the simple evidence of experience. Democratic administrations have been pretty successful. Republicans disastrous. Just look at the billions wasted by the current Republican House and the trillions wasted by the previous Republican President. That's why propaganda is the only explanation for supporting the GOP. You just can't get there through truth.

Sure - if you're goal is collapsing the United States - the Dumbocrats have been very successful. Under George W. Bush, unemployment never went above the 6% range. Under Barack Obama, it's never gone below 8% and was at 10%.

Remember, you already admitted (after a long painful exchange of hammering you with facts) that Dumbocrats collapsed Detroit. Just look at the $7 trillion wasted by Barack Hussien Obama in only 4+ years. More than all presidents in U.S. history combined. The Dumbocrats have forced jobs overseas, caused unemployment to skyrocket, and put more people on food stamps than ever before. And you want to sit here lying and pretend that Dumbocrats have been "pretty successful"?

The TRUTH is, you're a liar and we've all proven that over and over in this thread (it's why you stand all alone). People loathe liars. And they sure as hell won't stand along side one.