The GOP is desperate for a failing economy......sic

[Dad2three]

YOUR inability to recognize stimulus DID help the economy...

How the hell did the Stimulus help the economy?

Liberals sold the criminally fiscal spending fiasco much like they sold the ACA, through LIES and B$! They claimed this nearly $1 TRILLION nightmare was a 'JOBs' bill, but when the smoke cleared it was revealed that it cost tax payers OVER $742,000 PER JOB Obama CLAIMED to have created / saved. It actually cost MORE than that, as it was PROVEN that the Obama administration INTENTIONALLY over-inflated the 'jobs created / saved' numbers - one company demonstrated how Obama had claimed to have 'saved' more jobs than actual people who worked there!

Having just secured a NEAR-Super Majority control of Congress, Liberals decided to REWARD themselves by passing the biggest 'DNC Wish List' seen in decades...at tax payer expense. The bill contained OVER 7,000 pieces of self/party-serving PORK that included everything from personal 'LOANS' - that have never been paid back to the American people - to Boxer's husbands to help bail out his bankrupting businesses to money to people/orgs that helped them get (re-)elected! The GOP did not have 1 single earmark in this Liberal 'wet dream'...and to top it off it violated Obama's PROMISE he made that he would veto / prevent any earmarks from being passed.

Despite the 'Community Organizer's promise to create 'shovel-ready' job ,he was forced to admit to the nation that there was no such thing, that he did not know they did not exist!

The 'Cash for Clunkers' program turned into a bust as having to destroy all the used cars turned in caused a shortage of used cars and ended up jacking up the prices for used cars, which in turn hurt the Middle Class.

Obama's Socialist move of 'Nationalizing' GM violated Federal Bankruptcy laws, gave half ownership of the company to UNIONS (who were a major part of why GM was doing so badly), caused the partial sell-off of the US Car Manufacturing company to a foreign owned company that was in worse shape than GM was in, and years later the US sold MOST of their shares of GM stock (bought with tax payer dollars) for a LOSS.

But enough of ME stating the Facts...From US News AND The Wall Street Journal, here are the 5 Biggest Failures of Obama's Stimulus:

1. Obama's economic advisers promised the stimulus would keep the unemployment rate below 8 percent. In 2012, the unemployment rate was supposed to fall below 6 percent.
- TRUTH / FACT: Unemployment soared above 10% (10.1%) after passage of the Stimulus. in 2012 12.8 million Americans were unemployed, 8.2 million cannot find enough work, and 1.1 million have given up looking for work altogether. Today an estimated 94,610,000 Americans are out of work and under-employed, and un-employment is still well above 8%, the supposed maximum rate promised, and certainly above 6 percent promised. The Obama administration does not use this number, however, to report the accurate unemployment rate, falsely claiming instead that unemployment is around 5.2%

2. Obama promised the stimulus would not only have a large impact but also an immediate impact. Said the president-elect, "I'm confident ... our 21st century investments will create jobs immediately," adding, "We've got shovel-ready projects all across the country."
- TRUTH / FACT: Obama was forced to admit there was no such thing as a 'shovel-ready' project, laughing as he made the statement on TV. Instead of using a large portion of the nearly $1 trillion Stimulus funds to help repair infrastructure in much need of repair, Democrats applied much of the money to their own pork projects. Obama FAILED to deliver on the promised 'immediate jobs'—and at great cost to taxpayers - Over $742,000 per job 'created' / 'saved'

3. President Obama said in February 2009 that the stimulus would lift "2 million Americans from poverty."
- TRUTH / FACT: Since Obama took office and as of 2012, 6.3 million Americans have fallen into poverty. There are more today, and the Middle Class has shrunk, threatening to reach a level where it is unable to continue to sustain paying for the bulk of the administration's / government's social programs and spending.

4. The "green economy," Obama vowed, would create millions of jobs.
- TRUTH / FACT:
The Energy Department handed out OVER $35.2 billion in stimulus money to jumpstart the clean energy industry, but it created more red ink than green jobs. Nationally, green technology accounts for just 2 percent of employment nationwide and there has been no marked boom in the industry.

Also, those 'loans', however, have created quite the scandal. Nearly half a billion in taxpayer dollars was 'lost' to the now-bankrupt solar energy company Solyndra ALONE (and there were 12 other such companies that were handed tax payer dollars just so big Obama donors would not lose their investments in these companies). The company - Solyndra, which has since laid off over 1,000 workers, was Obama's self-described 'poster-child' for "American ingenuity and dynamism" in 2010. Today, it's the poster-child for the hazards of reckless spending.

5. Obama's 5th Promise was that there would be one million electric cars. Obama promised the stimulus would put one million electric vehicles on the road by 2015.
- TRUTH / FACT: In 2012 the Washington Examiner reported that "evidence is mounting that President Obama was overly optimistic" to make that pledge. Today - FAIL!


HERE'S ANOTHER MONUMENTAL OBAMA STIMULUS FAIL:

Baltimore Received $1.8 Billion from Obama’s Stimulus Law

City burned despite ‘massive investment’ implemented by president


President Obama claimed that if the Republican-controlled Congress would implement his policies to make “massive investments in urban communities,” they could “make a difference right now” in the city, currently in upheaval following the death of Freddie Gray. Baltimore was his 'poster child' - his shining example of this declaration. To prove that he was right he gave Baltimore $1,831,768,487 to make that 'massive difference'. Unfortunately that 'massive difference' resulted in rioting, burning, and looting....and even MORE tax payer dollars called for to help Baltimore recover and rebuild from it's own internal melt-down. FAIL!

Baltimore Received $1.8 Billion from Obama’s Stimulus Law

TELL ME YOU AREN'T STILL LIVING IN 2011 BUBBA? This crap was LONG ago debunked

STIMULUS WAS $787 BILLION (40% TAX CUTS, 40% AID TO STATES SAND 20% JOB FOCUSED)

What Debate? Economists Agree the Stimulus Lifted the Economy

The Initiative on Global Markets at the University of Chicago — hardly a hotbed of liberal or Keynesian thought — regularly surveys a number of the leading American economists about a variety of policy issues. The economists surveyed constitute a good sample of the leading economists in the nation, and the panel was chosen to be geographically diverse, to include older and younger economists, and importantly, to include Democrats, Republicans and independents. The most important qualification is that these are top-notch economists: senior faculty at the leading economics departments in the United States who are also vitally interested in public policy.

Recently each of these eminent economists was asked whether the unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been without the stimulus bill. Of the 44 economists surveyed, 37 responded, yielding a healthy response rate of 84 percent.

Among those who responded, 36 agreed that the stimulus bill had lowered the unemployment rate, while one disagreed. That lone disagreeing economist, Harvard’s Alberto Alesina (who was one of my thesis advisers), has been a virulent opponent of the stimulus, although the research that he’s based this upon has come under sustained criticism, particularly from the International Monetary Fund, which views the study as flawed.






What might follow up polls show? If asked, would these panels endorse stimulus packages in subsequent years? The logical extensionor...





These responses are remarkably similar to those from an earlier survey taken in 2012; not a single economist has substantially changed views since that earlier survey.

Continue reading the main story
Economists Believe the Stimulus Bill Reduced Unemployment
Question: Because of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, the United States unemployment rate was lower at the end of 2010 than it would have been without the stimulus bill.

Response of economists surveyed
Agree
Disagree
Uncertain
36
1
0

Source: University of Chicago Initiative on Global Markets, Economic Experts Panel, July 29
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Agreeing That Benefits of Fiscal Stimulus Exceed Costs
Question: Taking into account all of the A.R.R.A.’s economic consequences — including the economic costs of raising taxes to pay for the spending, its effects on future spending, and any other likely future effects — the benefits of the stimulus will end up exceeding its costs.

Response of economists surveyed
Agree
Disagree
Uncertain
25
2
10

Source: University of Chicago Initiative on Global Markets, Economic Experts Panel, July 29.


A follow-up question posed to the same expert panel asked whether the total benefits of the stimulus bill will end up exceeding the costs. The idea was to take account of all of the consequences, both positive and negative. On this question, there’s greater modesty, but still no raging debate. Of the 37 respondents, 25 agreed that the benefits exceeded the costs, while 10 were uncertain. Only 2 disagreed that the stimulus was worth it.

These data paint a picture of a professional consensus, tempered by a degree of modesty that there’s much we don’t know. Indeed, the best research into the views of economists finds that this consensus is pervasive across a range of issues. Call it the hidden consensus in economics. It’s there, but remains largely out of sight, because in a competitive political system there’s always an incentive for at least some advocates to try to portray any empirical claim as deeply contested.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/u...ree-the-stimulus-lifted-the-economy.html?_r=0


Did the stimulus work? A review of the nine best studies on the subject

Did the stimulus work? A review of the nine best studies on the subject

DUBYA'S TAX CUTS COST $4 TRILLION YET WE LOST 1+ MILLION PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS IN 8 YEARS (AND DUBYA'S $300 BILLION JAN 2008 STIMULUS DID WHAT AGAIN)

HOW MUCH DID EACH JOB COST BUBS?

 

[Dad2three]

ONLY in right wing world could someone "think" they "earned" it on their own, without society and past history AND GOV'T POLICY!

ONLY in left wing world could something think that what someone else earned belong to another person.

As someone in business, if you buy from me and get a product/service, you got what you paid for. Because you purchased from me and I do well financially doesn't mean I owe you food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, etc.

Weird how your vision of AmeriKKKa is SOOO different than the Founders America right Bubs? They though Gov't policy against aristocracy was good. You oppose it!

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

 

[Dad2three]

U.S. refineries are running at record-high levels

U.S. oil output still barreling toward 45-year record

“The forecast decline in U.S. monthly oil production through early 2016 is the result of low oil prices, which pushed oil companies to reduce their investment in drilling that resulted in the lowest number of rigs drilling for oil in nearly five years,” said EIA Administrator Adam Sieminski in a statement.

Still, with domestic benchmark oil slated to average about $55 per barrel this year, the core spots of the Bakken, Eagle Ford, Niobrara and Permian basins remain economically viable to support development drilling, the EIA said. As rigs and wells become more efficient and productive, and the costs to drill and complete wells continue falling, onshore production will grow again in late 2016, the EIA said.

U.S. oil output still barreling toward 45-year record



Apr 13, 2015 - Rystad Energy estimates U.S. oil production will average 9.65 million barrels per day in 2015, exceeding the previous all-time record



"Even though rig counts are falling every month, production has increased," said Per Magnus Nysveen, senior partner and head of analysis at Rystad, a Norwegian firm that tracks oil production. "Production and rig counts have moved in the opposite direction."

U.S. on track for record oil production in 2015


OBAMA BAND AIDS HUH? LOL

You still don't get it. Increases in supply must be applied against increase in demand. The supply is still being outpaced by demand though not as drastically as before fracking had any concrete impact. The fracking element is in spite of Obama's restrictions imposed on offshore and fed land extraction. Had Obama not reimplemented those restrictions, fracking would be moot and our economy would have been robust.

MORE right wing "theory". Shocking let's put it up there with the other CONservatives policies that worked right:

1____


2____

3____

JUST FOR FUN THOUGH:

THAT HORRIBLE OBAMA, WANTING TO KEEP FRACKING OUT OFFSHORE/US LANDS

Fracking uses a toxic chemical cocktail known as fracking fluid.

• Companies using fracking fluid have resisted disclosing the contents of fracking fluid, claiming the information is proprietary. However, samples from well sites indicate that the fluid contains: formaldehyde, acetic acids, citric acids, and boric acids, among hundreds of other contaminants.
• It has recently come to light that, despite the illegality of the action, companies have been caught using diesel fuel in the fracking fluid.

Fracking removes millions of gallons of precious freshwater from the water cycle.

• Each well uses between two and five million gallons of locally-sourced freshwater which will be permanently contaminated by ground contaminants and toxic chemicals contained in the fracking fluid.
• About half of this water returns to the surface, where it is stored in steel containers until it can be injected deep underground in oil and gas waste wells.
• No one is entirely sure what happens to the other half of the water used in the process. Our best guess is that the water remains underground, though there are indications that at least some of this toxic cocktail makes its way back into the water supply.

Fracking causes a range of environmental problems.

• At least eight other states have reported surface, ground, and drinking water contamination due to fracking.
• In Pennsylvania, over 1,400 environmental violations have been attributed to deep gas wells utilizing fracking practices.
• Pollution from truck traffic, chemical contamination around storage tanks, and habitat fragmentation and damage from drilling to environmentally sensitive areas have are all related to fracking.

Fracking: The Dangers | Clean Water Action


Fracking is an extreme and unsafe method of extracting fossil fuels from the ground that harms our drinking water, health, environment and climate and has been linked to earthquakes. Reliance on fracking keeps us from moving to renewable energy.

Fracking


BUT, BUT JOBS RIGHT? lol

Yet fracking is the source of the increased oil extraction you brag about.
Make up your mind. You sound as duplicitous as your faux black messiah.

Good for you Bubba, you decide to bring out the GOP's pointy hats for community outreach!

You're another defeated lefty troll.

Your surrender accepted Bubba

 

[Conservative65]

ONLY in left wing world could something think that what someone else earned belong to another person.

As someone in business, if you buy from me and get a product/service, you got what you paid for. Because you purchased from me and I do well financially doesn't mean I owe you food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, etc.

Weird how your vision of AmeriKKKa is SOOO different than the Founders America right Bubs? They though Gov't policy against aristocracy was good. You oppose it!

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

You people are the absolute stereotypes of the far right Republican voters. It is a wonder you can sleep at night.

I sleep at night knowing I support myself and am not some leech demanding someone else do it for me.

 

[Conservative65]

ONLY in left wing world could something think that what someone else earned belong to another person.

As someone in business, if you buy from me and get a product/service, you got what you paid for. Because you purchased from me and I do well financially doesn't mean I owe you food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, etc.

Weird how your vision of AmeriKKKa is SOOO different than the Founders America right Bubs? They though Gov't policy against aristocracy was good. You oppose it!

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

You must not have disagreed with Ben's quote I provided.

 

[Conservative65]

You still don't get it. Increases in supply must be applied against increase in demand. The supply is still being outpaced by demand though not as drastically as before fracking had any concrete impact. The fracking element is in spite of Obama's restrictions imposed on offshore and fed land extraction. Had Obama not reimplemented those restrictions, fracking would be moot and our economy would have been robust.

MORE right wing "theory". Shocking let's put it up there with the other CONservatives policies that worked right:

1____


2____

3____

JUST FOR FUN THOUGH:

THAT HORRIBLE OBAMA, WANTING TO KEEP FRACKING OUT OFFSHORE/US LANDS

Fracking uses a toxic chemical cocktail known as fracking fluid.

• Companies using fracking fluid have resisted disclosing the contents of fracking fluid, claiming the information is proprietary. However, samples from well sites indicate that the fluid contains: formaldehyde, acetic acids, citric acids, and boric acids, among hundreds of other contaminants.
• It has recently come to light that, despite the illegality of the action, companies have been caught using diesel fuel in the fracking fluid.

Fracking removes millions of gallons of precious freshwater from the water cycle.

• Each well uses between two and five million gallons of locally-sourced freshwater which will be permanently contaminated by ground contaminants and toxic chemicals contained in the fracking fluid.
• About half of this water returns to the surface, where it is stored in steel containers until it can be injected deep underground in oil and gas waste wells.
• No one is entirely sure what happens to the other half of the water used in the process. Our best guess is that the water remains underground, though there are indications that at least some of this toxic cocktail makes its way back into the water supply.

Fracking causes a range of environmental problems.

• At least eight other states have reported surface, ground, and drinking water contamination due to fracking.
• In Pennsylvania, over 1,400 environmental violations have been attributed to deep gas wells utilizing fracking practices.
• Pollution from truck traffic, chemical contamination around storage tanks, and habitat fragmentation and damage from drilling to environmentally sensitive areas have are all related to fracking.

Fracking: The Dangers | Clean Water Action


Fracking is an extreme and unsafe method of extracting fossil fuels from the ground that harms our drinking water, health, environment and climate and has been linked to earthquakes. Reliance on fracking keeps us from moving to renewable energy.

Fracking


BUT, BUT JOBS RIGHT? lol

Yet fracking is the source of the increased oil extraction you brag about.
Make up your mind. You sound as duplicitous as your faux black messiah.

Good for you Bubba, you decide to bring out the GOP's pointy hats for community outreach!

You're another defeated lefty troll.

Your surrender accepted Bubba

Sounds like he didn't wait for you to surrender. He simply defeated you.

 

[Dad2three]

Weird how your vision of AmeriKKKa is SOOO different than the Founders America right Bubs? They though Gov't policy against aristocracy was good. You oppose it!

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

You must not have disagreed with Ben's quote I provided.

Tell you what, I 'll take THAT Ben quote IF you'll take the earlier one? lol

 

[Dad2three]

Weird how your vision of AmeriKKKa is SOOO different than the Founders America right Bubs? They though Gov't policy against aristocracy was good. You oppose it!

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

You people are the absolute stereotypes of the far right Republican voters. It is a wonder you can sleep at night.

I sleep at night knowing I support myself and am not some leech demanding someone else do it for me.

YOUR BS MEME ON OBAMA'S STIMULUS AND THE GOP REFUSAL TO SUPPORT US, IS NOTED BUBBA!

 

[Conservative65]

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

You people are the absolute stereotypes of the far right Republican voters. It is a wonder you can sleep at night.

I sleep at night knowing I support myself and am not some leech demanding someone else do it for me.

YOUR BS MEME ON OBAMA'S STIMULUS AND THE GOP REFUSAL TO SUPPORT US, IS NOTED BUBBA!

You don't support something not worth supporting just because the black man proposed it.

 

[Conservative65]

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

You must not have disagreed with Ben's quote I provided.

Tell you what, I 'll take THAT Ben quote IF you'll take the earlier one? lol

Your doesn't say what you claim it says.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

You still don't get it. Increases in supply must be applied against increase in demand. The supply is still being outpaced by demand though not as drastically as before fracking had any concrete impact. The fracking element is in spite of Obama's restrictions imposed on offshore and fed land extraction. Had Obama not reimplemented those restrictions, fracking would be moot and our economy would have been robust.

MORE right wing "theory". Shocking let's put it up there with the other CONservatives policies that worked right:

1____


2____

3____

JUST FOR FUN THOUGH:

THAT HORRIBLE OBAMA, WANTING TO KEEP FRACKING OUT OFFSHORE/US LANDS

Fracking uses a toxic chemical cocktail known as fracking fluid.

• Companies using fracking fluid have resisted disclosing the contents of fracking fluid, claiming the information is proprietary. However, samples from well sites indicate that the fluid contains: formaldehyde, acetic acids, citric acids, and boric acids, among hundreds of other contaminants.
• It has recently come to light that, despite the illegality of the action, companies have been caught using diesel fuel in the fracking fluid.

Fracking removes millions of gallons of precious freshwater from the water cycle.

• Each well uses between two and five million gallons of locally-sourced freshwater which will be permanently contaminated by ground contaminants and toxic chemicals contained in the fracking fluid.
• About half of this water returns to the surface, where it is stored in steel containers until it can be injected deep underground in oil and gas waste wells.
• No one is entirely sure what happens to the other half of the water used in the process. Our best guess is that the water remains underground, though there are indications that at least some of this toxic cocktail makes its way back into the water supply.

Fracking causes a range of environmental problems.

• At least eight other states have reported surface, ground, and drinking water contamination due to fracking.
• In Pennsylvania, over 1,400 environmental violations have been attributed to deep gas wells utilizing fracking practices.
• Pollution from truck traffic, chemical contamination around storage tanks, and habitat fragmentation and damage from drilling to environmentally sensitive areas have are all related to fracking.

Fracking: The Dangers | Clean Water Action


Fracking is an extreme and unsafe method of extracting fossil fuels from the ground that harms our drinking water, health, environment and climate and has been linked to earthquakes. Reliance on fracking keeps us from moving to renewable energy.

Fracking


BUT, BUT JOBS RIGHT? lol

Yet fracking is the source of the increased oil extraction you brag about.
Make up your mind. You sound as duplicitous as your faux black messiah.

Good for you Bubba, you decide to bring out the GOP's pointy hats for community outreach!

You're another defeated lefty troll.

Your surrender accepted Bubba

You sound like Monty Python's black knight.

 

[JimH52]

Weird how your vision of AmeriKKKa is SOOO different than the Founders America right Bubs? They though Gov't policy against aristocracy was good. You oppose it!

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

You people are the absolute stereotypes of the far right Republican voters. It is a wonder you can sleep at night.

I sleep at night knowing I support myself and am not some leech demanding someone else do it for me.

Maybe we should change the name of the party from GOP to JUSTME?

 

[Rotagilla]

(sigh)....sometimes as american's we have to shake our heads in complete and total disbelief of a party, ie the GOP-igs who refuse to work with the president to get shit done for this country, simply because??????. Is it because they're against his policies, is it because they have a better direction or is it because anything that brings success to this black president with unilateral cooperation is a death sentence to these nuts back home with their supporters????

I'm am absolutely amazed when I hear these neo nuts whine about our economy, which started off in the double digits and now lingers at almost 4%. I am amazed at how these morons don't mind spending yet more trillions overseas to fight a war, WE WILL NEVER WIN, but will speak on the poor getting a couple a hundred to eat.

Now these morons are desperate to find the perfect fool, ie House Leader, who not only won't work with Obama, who not only will sanction their already lame dismal congressional record of 0% effectiveness thus far this year, but who will try his or her best to derail the successes of the OBama administration, because....PUTTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST IS A FOREIGN ENTITY TO NUTS WHO DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER.

God please help save this country from the GOP Trash heap, and their ignorant supporters, please!!

Your claim of refusing to work with the President is translated to say that the GOP won't bend over, grab their ankles, and let the President do whatever the hell he wants.

When you play the race card, you lose.

Don't you mean the millions more poor people now on food stamps than before Obama became President despite your claim that things are better. If unemployment is down and the economy is better, as you claim, why are so many millions more getting handouts than when the President whose ass you kiss took over?

oh look...more cartoons and funny captions...maybe when you grow up you'll learn to think for yourself and put forth some original ideas that you actually came up with yourself.......or if it's easier on you, just continue to post juvenile cartoons with funny captions..

 

[Rotagilla]

Case ya didn't know zero percent interest is signpost your economy ain't right

UH? get a life or find a hobby, economic's isn't your fortay in life, sorry

LMAO.."fortay"..why do people try to use words they don't understand ....and can't even spell...LMAO..silly negroes trying to appear "intelligent"

 

[quorthon]

Case ya didn't know zero percent interest is signpost your economy ain't right

UH? get a life or find a hobby, economic's isn't your fortay in life, sorry

LMAO.."fortay"..why do people try to use words they don't understand ....and can't even spell...LMAO..silly negroes trying to appear "intelligent"

ahaha that's right

 

[Conservative65]

Are you claiming that the founders would have supported the entitlement, gimme society you believe should exist. Their own words say otherwise.

Again, without false premises, distortions and LIES what else you got Bubs?

GIMMEE? LOL

All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it. All the Property that is necessary to a Man, for the Conservation of the Individual and the Propagation of the Species, is his natural Right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all Property superfluous to such purposes is the Property of the Publick, who, by their Laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other Laws dispose of it, whenever the Welfare of the Publick shall demand such Disposition. He that does not like civil Society on these Terms, let him retire and live among Savages. He can have no right to the benefits of Society, who will not pay his Club towards the Support of it.
BEN FRANKLIN


The causes which destroyed the ancient republics were numerous; but in Rome, one principal cause was the vast inequality of fortunes. Noah Webster


Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, and other fellow travelers

If there was one thing the Revolutionary generation agreed on — and those guys who dress up like them at Tea Party conventions most definitely do not — it was the incompatibility of democracy and inherited wealth.



Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798

"I am for doing good for the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good for the poor is not by making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves and became richer" - Ben Franklin

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson

""The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not" - T. Jefferson"

• Spurious Quotation

The democracy will cease to exist... (Quotation) | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

DON'T DISAGREE ON BEN'S EARLIER QUOTE HUH? lol

You people are the absolute stereotypes of the far right Republican voters. It is a wonder you can sleep at night.

I sleep at night knowing I support myself and am not some leech demanding someone else do it for me.

Maybe we should change the name of the party from GOP to JUSTME?

The Democrats have already earned that one.

Unless you're willing to claim that those on the receiving end of handouts actually give a damn about where the money comes from to fund what they demand someone else owes them, it is a well earned named by the Democrats. If you make that claim, perhaps a secondary name for you should be DUMBASSES. You already have the donkey as your symbol.

I look out for me and my family. That makes me no different than those on social welfare handouts. The one difference that exists, and the only thing that matters, is I look out for me and my family with what I'VE earned and they don't.

 

[tigerred59]

Like I said, no ideas from Obama.

Typical look what the other guy did mentality. If you guys didn't spend so much time blaming Bush, you'd have more time to do what you like and lick Obama's ass clean.

YOUR inability to recognize stimulus DID help the economy, but Obama could only get 3 TOTAL GOP votes even though he gave 40% tax cuts to get GOP support, isn't my problem wingnutter!

BLAMING DUBYA? HINT SHOWING THE GAWDDAM HYPOCRISY OF THE GOP ISN'T BLAMING DUBYA BUBBA, LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER 85% OF THE HOUSE SUPPORTED DUBYA'S STIMULUS, $300 BILLION, IN MUCH BETTER ECONOMY, ZERO SUPPORTED OBAMA'S WHICH WAS 40% TAX CUTS, 40% AID TO STATES/COUNTIES AND 20% PROJECTS!!

That you continue to stick you head up his ass not seeing how things aren't good isn't my problem. Continue licking the dingleberries off his ass. He seems to like that kind of thing.

Right, supporting Dubya's $300 billion stimulus in 2008 by 85% support GOP =Good

100% voting against Obama's $787 billion (40% tax cuts) stimulus in 2009 in the worst recession since first GOP great depression= Good

lol

Obama 2006 - raising debt ceiling is a sign of leadership failure.

Obama 2014 - signs bill raising debt ceiling

By his own words, he's a leadership failure.

YOU MEAN WHEN HE WAS UPSET DUBYA/GOP PUT EVERYTHING (INCLUDING WARS) ON THE CREDIT CARD? REFUSING to get more revenues as they gutted revenues from 20% of GDP they inherited to less than 15%? Shocking Bubs

Get off the bumper sticker thinking and TRY to open that tiny brain a bit!

You just served up another dose of kryptonite....its not going to penetrate their brains....FACTS = kryptonite to these morons!!

 

[tigerred59]

You didn't have people who demanded government take care of them and think what one person earned was somehow theirs.

Oh right, I forgot, they made their money in a closet without OUR help at all!

They made it by providing a service or a product to those who bought it.

Without a single thing that society provided right? Like I said, in a closet!

Using things they, as members of society, helped provide. Now, those who don't provide anything to society expect more to be given to them. They aren't owed a damn thing. If they got something when they paid, that's all they get.

Sure Bubs sure

Without false premises, distortions and LIES what would the right EVER have?

What would they ever have, you ask?
A photo of happy conservative whites:

Michael more said it best...as long as the GOP keep their core base, ie southerners,uneducated, unhealthy and poor, they'll always have a core base!!

 

[tigerred59]

YOUR inability to recognize stimulus DID help the economy, but Obama could only get 3 TOTAL GOP votes even though he gave 40% tax cuts to get GOP support, isn't my problem wingnutter!

BLAMING DUBYA? HINT SHOWING THE GAWDDAM HYPOCRISY OF THE GOP ISN'T BLAMING DUBYA BUBBA, LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER 85% OF THE HOUSE SUPPORTED DUBYA'S STIMULUS, $300 BILLION, IN MUCH BETTER ECONOMY, ZERO SUPPORTED OBAMA'S WHICH WAS 40% TAX CUTS, 40% AID TO STATES/COUNTIES AND 20% PROJECTS!!

That you continue to stick you head up his ass not seeing how things aren't good isn't my problem. Continue licking the dingleberries off his ass. He seems to like that kind of thing.

Right, supporting Dubya's $300 billion stimulus in 2008 by 85% support GOP =Good

100% voting against Obama's $787 billion (40% tax cuts) stimulus in 2009 in the worst recession since first GOP great depression= Good

lol

Obama 2006 - raising debt ceiling is a sign of leadership failure.

Obama 2014 - signs bill raising debt ceiling

By his own words, he's a leadership failure.

YOU MEAN WHEN HE WAS UPSET DUBYA/GOP PUT EVERYTHING (INCLUDING WARS) ON THE CREDIT CARD? REFUSING to get more revenues as they gutted revenues from 20% of GDP they inherited to less than 15%? Shocking Bubs

Get off the bumper sticker thinking and TRY to open that tiny brain a bit!

It used to be shocking that Obama would say one thing in one situation and then when he's in charge, it's something different. I'm used to it by now much like you're used to kissing his black ass.

And of course, Obama is the only president in US history who's back tracked on promises made....man that Obama is bad....GTFOOH

 

[tigerred59]

You mean the "job creators" aren't paying enough for them to have health insurance? Time to stop allowing those "job creators" the lowest sustained tax burden since 1932 maybe Bubs?

OR DO LIKE EVERY OTHER INDUSTRIALIZED NATION DOES, UHC FOR ALL!

Time for leeches to start paying for their own healthcare instead of demanding the government force someone else to do it. If they can afford iPhones, lottery, tickets, beer, and cigarettes, they can afford their own healthcare.

Like I said, if you want someone without it to have it, buy it for them with your money. We both know you're not man enough to do yourself what YOU claim needs to be done. You're like every other bleeding heart who says you care then goes about showing it by seeing how much you can support the government having someone else pay for it.

You mean asking SOCIETY to get back to where Ike had US at paying taxes Bubs? I'm 100% for it!

WHY AREN'T YOU?

When are those in society who contribute nothing going to start doing their part. When are the welfare leeches that don't pay the taxes that fund what they get handed going to start doing something?

You mean the bottom HALF of US who basically make the same amount as the top 1/10 of 1% of US?

Yeah those "lucky duckies"

Maybe that bottom half should get off their ass and earn theirs. If they spent half as much time trying to better themselves as they did demanding someone that did hand them something, none of this would be an issue.

Lets get something straight, Mitt Romney Jr....that bottom half that your shittin on, they're the grease that keeps the wheels and the millionaires and billionaires in the top 1%. And don't you ever ever forget that, Mr. Potter!!