The gun control conundrum...but only for gun grabbers, the rest of us know the truth...

[Brain357]

Yet we have gun control that the courts have said are legal. I'll believe the courts over you.

I never argued that the federal government is following the constitution, so your point it off the mark.

What I DID say is that article I, section 8 grants congress no legislative power to enact gun control.

From the link
A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

yes if you can jump through all the hoops ass wipe

you know your lying shit stain

So they can own guns.

or not

Link says they can and you said you agree with the link.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I never argued that the federal government is following the constitution, so your point it off the mark.

What I DID say is that article I, section 8 grants congress no legislative power to enact gun control.

From the link
A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

yes if you can jump through all the hoops ass wipe

you know your lying shit stain

So they can own guns.

or not

Link says they can and you said you agree with the link.

if the government says so

good luck with that

 

[Brain357]

From the link
A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

yes if you can jump through all the hoops ass wipe

you know your lying shit stain

So they can own guns.

or not

Link says they can and you said you agree with the link.

if the government says so

good luck with that

Sure, link says they can. Have you ever even been to Mexico?

 

[M14 Shooter]

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I understand that. We NEED cars, We don't need guns. You get that?

Fortunately, my rights aren't limited by your subjective interpretation of need.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, no....the disarmed countries in Europe allowed 12 million men, women and children to be murdered in gas chambers....

12,000,000

Those Europeans weren't disarmed. They were gleefully handing over their neighbors to the SS. And then stealing their shit.

Because much like you meekly turning in your 1040 to the IRS, most people didn't want to fuck with the SS, either.

Wrong as usual twit. After WW1 they all dutifully registered their guns and turned them in as the government told them to....after all, they had police officers to keep them safe....then, the national socialist thugs were able to attack their political enemies and anyone who tried to speak against them....because their victims were disarmed...

Then when the national socialists gained control...they used the lists created to register guns to gather up the last of the hunting rifles and shotguns....and to completely disarm the Jews and their political enemies...twit.

 

[2aguy]

And Mexico.....a disarmed population...and thousands murdered by the government with the cartels........more than our accidental gun deaths with our over 320,000,000 guns.....

A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

WRong...just like New York here in the states, normal people cannot get guns....because the government controls them......so that lie by the anti gun lobby is just that...a lie.

Something tells me you have never been to Mexico. You have a link not from a crazy gun site to support your claim? It is cute you think you can just say wrong.

Gun politics in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

twit.......if you are a normal Mexican citizen you can't get guns.......they have it in their constitution but like you twits...they have regulated the Right out of existence......what a moron you are......

 

[Brain357]

And Mexico.....a disarmed population...and thousands murdered by the government with the cartels........more than our accidental gun deaths with our over 320,000,000 guns.....

A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

WRong...just like New York here in the states, normal people cannot get guns....because the government controls them......so that lie by the anti gun lobby is just that...a lie.

Something tells me you have never been to Mexico. You have a link not from a crazy gun site to support your claim? It is cute you think you can just say wrong.

Gun politics in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

twit.......if you are a normal Mexican citizen you can't get guns.......they have it in their constitution but like you twits...they have regulated the Right out of existence......what a moron you are......

Link says they can. And you aren't a Mexican so where is the link supporting your claim?

 

[2aguy]

And Mexico.....a disarmed population...and thousands murdered by the government with the cartels........more than our accidental gun deaths with our over 320,000,000 guns.....

A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

WRong...just like New York here in the states, normal people cannot get guns....because the government controls them......so that lie by the anti gun lobby is just that...a lie.

Something tells me you have never been to Mexico. You have a link not from a crazy gun site to support your claim? It is cute you think you can just say wrong.

Gun politics in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here you go twit......actual research...

Mexico’s Gun Control Laws: A Model for the United States? by David B. Kopel :: SSRN

A. Background and Summary of the Law In the late 1960s and early 1970s, civil unrest in the United States and Mexico led to important restrictions on firearms.11 Before then, many types of rifles and handguns were freely available in Mexico.12 Anti-government student movements scared the Mexican government into closing firearms stores and registering all weapons.13 Mexico’s Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, enacted in 1972, established a Federal Arms Registry controlled by the Ministry of National Defense.14

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There is only one firearms store in Mexico, the UCAM (Unidad de Comercialización de Armamento y Municiones).69 Located in Mexico City, it is owned and operated by the military.70

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V. CONCLUSION

In a nation where the constitution guarantees the right to arms, the laws ought to provide a practical, functional system for law-abiding persons to acquire arms.

In practice, the Mexican system fails to do so. Law-abiding citizens are often forced to resort to extra-legal means to obtain arms for lawful self-defense.

Meanwhile, the pervasive corruption of Mexican law enforcement, which is substantially worsened by drug prohibition, ensures a ready supply of the most dangerous arms for the most dangerous criminals.


The Mexican gun-control system is a failure that harms public safety.

 

[Brain357]

And Mexico.....a disarmed population...and thousands murdered by the government with the cartels........more than our accidental gun deaths with our over 320,000,000 guns.....

A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

WRong...just like New York here in the states, normal people cannot get guns....because the government controls them......so that lie by the anti gun lobby is just that...a lie.

Something tells me you have never been to Mexico. You have a link not from a crazy gun site to support your claim? It is cute you think you can just say wrong.

Gun politics in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here you go twit......actual research...

Mexico’s Gun Control Laws: A Model for the United States? by David B. Kopel :: SSRN

A. Background and Summary of the Law In the late 1960s and early 1970s, civil unrest in the United States and Mexico led to important restrictions on firearms.11 Before then, many types of rifles and handguns were freely available in Mexico.12 Anti-government student movements scared the Mexican government into closing firearms stores and registering all weapons.13 Mexico’s Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, enacted in 1972, established a Federal Arms Registry controlled by the Ministry of National Defense.14

That doesn't say they can't own guns.

 

[2aguy]

And Mexico.....a disarmed population...and thousands murdered by the government with the cartels........more than our accidental gun deaths with our over 320,000,000 guns.....

A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

WRong...just like New York here in the states, normal people cannot get guns....because the government controls them......so that lie by the anti gun lobby is just that...a lie.

Something tells me you have never been to Mexico. You have a link not from a crazy gun site to support your claim? It is cute you think you can just say wrong.

Gun politics in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here you go twit......actual research...

Mexico’s Gun Control Laws: A Model for the United States? by David B. Kopel :: SSRN

A. Background and Summary of the Law In the late 1960s and early 1970s, civil unrest in the United States and Mexico led to important restrictions on firearms.11 Before then, many types of rifles and handguns were freely available in Mexico.12 Anti-government student movements scared the Mexican government into closing firearms stores and registering all weapons.13 Mexico’s Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, enacted in 1972, established a Federal Arms Registry controlled by the Ministry of National Defense.14

That doesn't say they can't own guns.

Wow.....you are a moron.

 

[Brain357]

A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most typesand calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition and ownership of certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]

WRong...just like New York here in the states, normal people cannot get guns....because the government controls them......so that lie by the anti gun lobby is just that...a lie.

Something tells me you have never been to Mexico. You have a link not from a crazy gun site to support your claim? It is cute you think you can just say wrong.

Gun politics in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here you go twit......actual research...

Mexico’s Gun Control Laws: A Model for the United States? by David B. Kopel :: SSRN

A. Background and Summary of the Law In the late 1960s and early 1970s, civil unrest in the United States and Mexico led to important restrictions on firearms.11 Before then, many types of rifles and handguns were freely available in Mexico.12 Anti-government student movements scared the Mexican government into closing firearms stores and registering all weapons.13 Mexico’s Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, enacted in 1972, established a Federal Arms Registry controlled by the Ministry of National Defense.14

That doesn't say they can't own guns.

Wow.....you are a moron.

All signs point to them being able to own guns. Moron seems to be you. Or are you just dishonest?

 

[2aguy]

WRong...just like New York here in the states, normal people cannot get guns....because the government controls them......so that lie by the anti gun lobby is just that...a lie.

Something tells me you have never been to Mexico. You have a link not from a crazy gun site to support your claim? It is cute you think you can just say wrong.

Gun politics in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here you go twit......actual research...

Mexico’s Gun Control Laws: A Model for the United States? by David B. Kopel :: SSRN

A. Background and Summary of the Law In the late 1960s and early 1970s, civil unrest in the United States and Mexico led to important restrictions on firearms.11 Before then, many types of rifles and handguns were freely available in Mexico.12 Anti-government student movements scared the Mexican government into closing firearms stores and registering all weapons.13 Mexico’s Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, enacted in 1972, established a Federal Arms Registry controlled by the Ministry of National Defense.14

That doesn't say they can't own guns.

Wow.....you are a moron.

All signs point to them being able to own guns. Moron seems to be you. Or are you just dishonest?

You are a vile human being brain........

 

[2aguy]

Because you are a lefty regressive gun grabber.....and can't understand the truth, the facts or reality....here it is again...

V. CONCLUSION

In a nation where the constitution guarantees the right to arms, the laws ought to provide a practical, functional system for law-abiding persons to acquire arms.

In practice, the Mexican system fails to do so. Law-abiding citizens are often forced to resort to extra-legal means to obtain arms for lawful self-defense.

Meanwhile, the pervasive corruption of Mexican law enforcement, which is substantially worsened by drug prohibition, ensures a ready supply of the most dangerous arms for the most dangerous criminals.


The Mexican gun-control system is a failure that harms public safety.

 

[Brain357]

Because you are a lefty regressive gun grabber.....and can't understand the truth, the facts or reality....here it is again...

V. CONCLUSION

In a nation where the constitution guarantees the right to arms, the laws ought to provide a practical, functional system for law-abiding persons to acquire arms.

In practice, the Mexican system fails to do so. Law-abiding citizens are often forced to resort to extra-legal means to obtain arms for lawful self-defense.

Meanwhile, the pervasive corruption of Mexican law enforcement, which is substantially worsened by drug prohibition, ensures a ready supply of the most dangerous arms for the most dangerous criminals.


The Mexican gun-control system is a failure that harms public safety.

In practice, the Mexican system fails to do so. Law-abiding citizens are often forced to resort to extra-legal means to obtain arms for lawful self-defense.

Doesn't say they cannot own guns. Try again.

 

[Brain357]

Something tells me you have never been to Mexico. You have a link not from a crazy gun site to support your claim? It is cute you think you can just say wrong.

Gun politics in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

here you go twit......actual research...

Mexico’s Gun Control Laws: A Model for the United States? by David B. Kopel :: SSRN

A. Background and Summary of the Law In the late 1960s and early 1970s, civil unrest in the United States and Mexico led to important restrictions on firearms.11 Before then, many types of rifles and handguns were freely available in Mexico.12 Anti-government student movements scared the Mexican government into closing firearms stores and registering all weapons.13 Mexico’s Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, enacted in 1972, established a Federal Arms Registry controlled by the Ministry of National Defense.14

That doesn't say they can't own guns.

Wow.....you are a moron.

All signs point to them being able to own guns. Moron seems to be you. Or are you just dishonest?

You are a vile human being brain........

I am honest, funny you find that vile. You are the one with the false claims.

 

[hadit]

I think the second constitutional amendment needs to be amended to reflect the abuse and harm firearms are causing to this country. What GOOD they are doing is far outweighed by the damage they are doing, over all. If anyone here is truly interested in the well being of their fellow Americans, they will be realistic and understand that equation.

You obviously have no clue about that equation.....do you actually study this at all before you post....?

The facts....in 2013 there were over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands...

Gun murders in 2014.... 8,124, most committed by career criminals murdering other criminals.....70-80% of gun murder victims are people with prior criminal convictions...

Accidental gun deaths in 2013.... 505, in a country of over 320,000,000 milllion people with over 320,000,000 million guns in private hands....

Can you even begin to comprehend those numbers?

How many times a year are guns used for good.....Americans using guns to actually stop criminal attack and to save lives...

1,500,000 times...according to bill clinton....

and then you add in those 320,000,000 million guns being used responsibly for competition, hunting, collecting and for just shooting....

And the truth, the facts and the reality of guns in America show that your post is completely stupid.........

That doesn't even begin to address the fact that an armed society is a free society.......just ask the Germans who gave up their rights to guns in the 1920s....and by 1940 they were being put into gas chambers...

so please...study the issue....you really will post more intelligently if you do......

You are either over thinking this or deliberately obfuscating. IF there were NO firearms in this country, there would be a lot less murders and assaults and far less needles deaths overall. If you doubt that, you are deluded or insane. Sorry.

If there were no means by which a human could kill another human, there would also be a lot less murders and assaults and far less needless deaths overall. The fact, however, is that there ARE many means whereby humans can kill other humans, and they are not going away.

 

[2aguy]

Because you are a lefty regressive gun grabber.....and can't understand the truth, the facts or reality....here it is again...

V. CONCLUSION

In a nation where the constitution guarantees the right to arms, the laws ought to provide a practical, functional system for law-abiding persons to acquire arms.

In practice, the Mexican system fails to do so. Law-abiding citizens are often forced to resort to extra-legal means to obtain arms for lawful self-defense.

Meanwhile, the pervasive corruption of Mexican law enforcement, which is substantially worsened by drug prohibition, ensures a ready supply of the most dangerous arms for the most dangerous criminals.


The Mexican gun-control system is a failure that harms public safety.

In practice, the Mexican system fails to do so. Law-abiding citizens are often forced to resort to extra-legal means to obtain arms for lawful self-defense.

Doesn't say they cannot own guns. Try again.

Yeah moron....that would be the extra-legal means part.....I have to believe you are just a troll because if you are as stupid and witless as you post....you are a sad human being.

 

[Brain357]

Because you are a lefty regressive gun grabber.....and can't understand the truth, the facts or reality....here it is again...

V. CONCLUSION

In a nation where the constitution guarantees the right to arms, the laws ought to provide a practical, functional system for law-abiding persons to acquire arms.

In practice, the Mexican system fails to do so. Law-abiding citizens are often forced to resort to extra-legal means to obtain arms for lawful self-defense.

Meanwhile, the pervasive corruption of Mexican law enforcement, which is substantially worsened by drug prohibition, ensures a ready supply of the most dangerous arms for the most dangerous criminals.


The Mexican gun-control system is a failure that harms public safety.

In practice, the Mexican system fails to do so. Law-abiding citizens are often forced to resort to extra-legal means to obtain arms for lawful self-defense.

Doesn't say they cannot own guns. Try again.

Yeah moron....that would be the extra-legal means part.....I have to believe you are just a troll because if you are as stupid and witless as you post....you are a sad human being.

Oh my they must buy guns through legal means. How awful. They can own guns.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong as usual twit. After WW1 they all dutifully registered their guns and turned them in as the government told them to....

Again, do some research from non-gun websites. Repeating whatever shit the NRA tells you.

Heres the thing. The government will ALWAYS have bigger guns, better guns, and be better with them than you are, and if they decide to take your sorry ass out, they are going to do it and your neighbors won't care. 40% of the gun industry sales are to government agencies. (Which would be a major way to get them to behave better if the government decided to.)

That's why all your carping about the mean old government, you dutifully handed in your 1040 last week.

 

[2aguy]

Wrong as usual twit. After WW1 they all dutifully registered their guns and turned them in as the government told them to....

Again, do some research from non-gun websites. Repeating whatever shit the NRA tells you.

Heres the thing. The government will ALWAYS have bigger guns, better guns, and be better with them than you are, and if they decide to take your sorry ass out, they are going to do it and your neighbors won't care. 40% of the gun industry sales are to government agencies. (Which would be a major way to get them to behave better if the government decided to.)

That's why all your carping about the mean old government, you dutifully handed in your 1040 last week.

you guys are obsessed with the NRA...I wish they would use my points...they would be more effective....

Nope....the British learned that you were wrong in the colonies, and Afghantisan, the Russians in afghanistan and we are now pulling out of two countries cause morons like you didn't want to engage monsters...and all they had were small arms and improvised explosives...

you guys are wrong on every single aspect of guns in the United States.......unarmed people are the only ones who experience genocide, mass murder and ethnic cleansing...that morons like you want to put future generations of America on the same footing as the Jews and Europeans in Germany who were sent, defenseless, to the gas chambers is just incredible........as well the defenseless Mexicans being murdered in the thousands by their government and the cartels......because they do not have the guns to stop it....because the Mexican Government said they didn't need guns...