The Handwriting On The Wall

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Another Liberal policy, not well thought out, is behaving like the drunk who has to walk faster and faster so that he doesn't fall over.

That borders on economics and politics...but Dr. Thomas Sowell made the point that it is based on the thought process of Liberal: good intentions.
Another case of 'feeling' passing for 'knowing.'

Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent, rushing to institute what so ever they imagine. Sowell called it 'First Stage Thinking.'
In “Applied Economics: Thinking Beyond Stage One,” Sowell challenges individuals to analyze not only their short term (Stage One) consequences, but to also think ahead to their long term (Stage Two, Three, etc) impact. Politicians do not think beyond Stage One because they will be praised (and elected) for the short term benefits but will not be held accountable much later when the long term consequences appear


The best example is Franklin Roosevelt's policy called Social Security.


1. "I was told I could expect to receive a benefit of “about $2,136 a month” upon reaching age 70 — which certainly seems like good news. But immediately I thought of a parallel of President Obama’s infamous Obamacare promise: “If you like your Social Security, you can keep your Social Security.”

2. .... the following message: The law governing benefit amounts may change because, by 2033, the payroll taxes collected will be enough to pay only about 77 percent of scheduled benefits.

“If I like my Social Security, I can keep 77 percent of it.”



3. .... government was informing me that they will be unable to fulfill their part of a financial arrangement into which, as their statement attested, I had been making mandatory contributions....

4. This impending “benefit rationing,” ... may, in fact, not be the worst of it.... an earlier statement dated March 10, 2009. Again, followed by an asterisk was a sentence that read exactly like my 2015 statement except for two major differences ...: The law governing benefit amounts may change because, by 2041, the payroll taxes collected will be enough to pay only about 78 percent of your scheduled benefits.

a. Clearly, in 2009, the government’s prediction — that Social Security would have to be cut to 78 percent of benefits come 2041 — was overly optimistic.

5. Now, in 2015, they are projecting 2033, eight years earlier, with one percentage point less of my projected benefits. The projections have steadily worsened over the past few years, helped by a much weaker economy than the federal government expected.

6. Meanwhile, here is the truth, as stated by the Social Security Administration in its annual Trustees Report from 2014: Social Security is not sustainable over the long term at current benefit and tax rates. In 2010, the program paid more in benefits and expenses than it collected in taxes and other noninterest income, and the 2014 Trustees Report projects this pattern to continue for the next 75 years.




7. In January 2011, the first 1946-born Baby Boomers began turning age 65, at the rate of 10,000 a day. ... That adds up to just over 69 million former hipsters [by 2029].... Keep in mind that those millions of surviving Baby Boomers do not include all the immigrants, also aging, who came to America in the past decades. The official total is 74.9 million Boomers native and foreign-born.

8. ...more truth (and pain) from the Social Security Administration: The population of retirees is projected to double in about 50 years. People are also living longer, and the birth rate is low.
Social Security Bankruptcy -- The Government Knows It s Coming National Review Online




"The problem with socialism is that eventually yourun out of otherpeople's money."
Margaret Thatcher
 
9. The question here is not whether or not the intention of the SSA is beneficent, but whether or not its inception was properly vetted. The concept of a marketplace of ideas is based on the assumption that information is not buried or distorted, and all aspects of same are given access prior to acceptance of the plan.
Beck and Balfe, “Broke.”



10. The Social Security plan was that workers would pay for retirees, and, based on actuarial tables, those who died earlier than expected would add to the fund.
How well did Roosevelt and his New Dealer do in considering the future of the program?
Not very.


a. No one considered that life expectancy would increase?


b. No one considered that the balance of workers and retirees might change?


c. No one calculated the long-term costs?


d. Ida May Fuller, the first person to begin receiving benefits, in January, 1940, when she was 65- she lived to be 100. “…worked for three years under the Social Security program. The accumulated taxes on her salary during those three years was a total of $24.75. Her initial monthly check was $22.54. During her lifetime she collected a total of $22,888.92 in Social Security benefits.” Social Security History



Roosevelt sure was lucky a bright conservative, Ronald Reagan, came along and saved the program.
 
SS, like any program nearing its 81st year, needs some fixes.

In SS's case, they are relatively minor.

The major issue it to get Congress to stop dumping it into the general fund, which has been every president and both parties' agreed upon procedure.
 
SS, like any program nearing its 81st year, needs some fixes.

In SS's case, they are relatively minor.

The major issue it to get Congress to stop dumping it into the general fund, which has been every president and both parties' agreed upon procedure.

The major issue it to get Congress to stop dumping it into the general fund

Where should they dump it?
 
11. "Baby Boomers can expect to live longer than any previous generation, which compounds the problem, and on the other side of the equation, we have the low national birth rate.
Combined, the Social Security actuaries put it this way: Trustees project that the ratio of 2.8 workers paying Social Security taxes to each person collecting benefits in 2013 will fall to 2.1 to 1 in 2032. the worker shortage is a key reason why our government is importing immigrants (both legal and illegal).


See this 50th anniversary video commemorating President Johnson’s signing Medicare into law, produced by a group promoting immigration reform — clearly implying more immigration is what’s keeping Social Security and Medicare afloat:







The Social Security trustees go on to warn that “if no changes are made to the program,” they project that “assets will be sufficient to allow for full payment of scheduled benefits through 2032” — hence the most recent warning on my Social Security statement."
Social Security Bankruptcy -- The Government Knows It s Coming National Review Online



But, of course, the Bobby McFerrin-Democrats say 'Don't worry- be happy,' we'll just do what we always do:
Raise taxes.
 
The best example is Franklin Roosevelt's policy

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Just as I said, "The Social Security trustees go on to warn that “if no changes are made to the program,” so make the changes.
 
PC is the Joe McCarthy of the modern age. PC you missed your time in history. The sky is always falling, and commies are everywhere. For the interested reader, history buff, check out ''American High: The Years of Confidence, 1945-1960' by William L. O'Neill. PC you can find yourself in these pages. lol
 
PC is the Joe McCarthy of the modern age. PC you missed your time in history. The sky is always falling, and commies are everywhere. For the interested reader, history buff, check out ''American High: The Years of Confidence, 1945-1960' by William L. O'Neill. PC you can find yourself in these pages. lol

Right you are. I wonder if anyone has actually ever read all the way through one of her posts.
 
6. Meanwhile, here is the truth, as stated by the Social Security Administration in its annual Trustees Report from 2014: Social Security is not sustainable over the long term at current benefit and tax rates. In 2010, the program paid more in benefits and expenses than it collected in taxes and other noninterest income, and the 2014 Trustees Report projects this pattern to continue for the next 75 years.

How many of you notice something odd in the highlighted text? Why do you suppose there's a peculiar reference to 'non-interest income'?

lol, I'll give you a moment...
 
PC is the Joe McCarthy of the modern age. PC you missed your time in history. The sky is always falling, and commies are everywhere. For the interested reader, history buff, check out ''American High: The Years of Confidence, 1945-1960' by William L. O'Neill. PC you can find yourself in these pages. lol


Senator Joseph McCarthy....the American hero?
 
PC is the Joe McCarthy of the modern age. PC you missed your time in history. The sky is always falling, and commies are everywhere. For the interested reader, history buff, check out ''American High: The Years of Confidence, 1945-1960' by William L. O'Neill. PC you can find yourself in these pages. lol

Right you are. I wonder if anyone has actually ever read all the way through one of her posts.



OMG!

You mean you can read?????
 
Just as I said, "The Social Security trustees go on to warn that “if no changes are made to the program,” so make the changes.

Putting the money "Into the SS fund" is no change at all.
Only to those who don't understand how SS funding is supposed to work.

If you can't respond rationally, I will simply refer you to this post.
 
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Of course....there are alternatives!


12. "THE TEXAS TRIBUNE
How Privatized Social Security Works in Galveston
By BECCA AARONSON
Published: September 17, 2011


. .... see how a privatized Social Security plan might work. Government employees in Galveston, Brazoria and Matagorda Counties have controlled their private retirement plan for 30 years. They opted out of Social Security before Congress changed the law in 1983 to prevent others from withdrawing.

In the Alternate Plan, retirement benefits are a direct result of employee contributions. In each paycheck, employees contribute 13.9 percent of the their gross pay (6.1 percent from the employee, 7.8 percent from the county) to a private account. First Financial Benefits invests the accounts conservatively, Mr. Gornto said. The company guarantees a minimum rate of return of 3.75 percent to 4 percent on the accounts to safeguard employees’ benefits against inflation and severe drops in market rates.

. Employees can elect to put their portion of the contributions into riskier investments, like mutual fundsand stocks, potentially to generate more interest. At retirement, employees in the Alternate Plan can choose to take the money in a lump sum, take monthly benefits for a given time period or take a lifetime annuity, with slightly reduced benefits. Social Security is subject to whatever rules the federal government makes, Mr. Gornto said, and there is “not a guaranteed promise to pay any certain amount.”



a. Both the G.A.O. and Social Security studies concluded that lower-wage workers, particularly those with many dependents, would fare better under Social Security, while middle- and higher-wage workers were likely to fare better, at least initially, under the Alternate Plan.

In a hypothetical calculation, Mr. Gornto said, an employee who earned $25,000 annually for 40 years could retire with a 20-year payout of $2,297 a month under the Alternate Plan.

Under the same circumstances, an employee making $125,000 annually could retire with a payout of $11,490 a month.... But at a maximum, a worker who retires in 2011 at age 66 could receive $2,366 a month in Social Security benefits.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/u...y-works-in-galveston.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
Just as I said, "The Social Security trustees go on to warn that “if no changes are made to the program,” so make the changes.

Putting the money "Into the SS fund" is no change at all.
Only to those who don't understand how SS funding is supposed to work.

Here's your chance, explain how the funding should work and why placing it "into the SS fund" is different than putting it into the General fund.
 

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