The Homosexual Dilemma

[80zephyr]

Including the rights of one person to marry the entire adult population of the planet.

You say it's sexually harassing, but what if they consent to it? Are you going to deny them their love for a 40 year old obese man? Maybe you need to rethink your backward, religiously motivated judgment of people's lifestyles and start showing a little tolerance. Hateful pedophobes like you are the reason that child lovers have been denied equal rights in this country.

Children can not legally consent.

Define children.Mark

The legislature defines that and age of consent.

You have no worry in your absurd world about pedophiles and age of consent.

You are absurd, absurd, absurd.

The children of the next generation of your religious groups are going to be saying, "Our parents were meat heads."

Are you sensing the underlying current here?

The desperation of fear and sweat of seeing Defeat bearing down.

The debate is whether the decision is right or not. What society does has no bearing.

Mark

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Including the rights of one person to marry the entire adult population of the planet.

You say it's sexually harassing, but what if they consent to it? Are you going to deny them their love for a 40 year old obese man? Maybe you need to rethink your backward, religiously motivated judgment of people's lifestyles and start showing a little tolerance. Hateful pedophobes like you are the reason that child lovers have been denied equal rights in this country.

Children can not legally consent.

Define children.Mark

The legislature defines that and age of consent.

You have no worry in your absurd world about pedophiles and age of consent.

You are absurd, absurd, absurd.

The children of the next generation of your religious groups are going to be saying, "Our parents were meat heads."

But any law can be overturned that's found to have violated somebody's "civil rights". We just witnessed that in action. Somehow "it's the law" didn't work to stop gays from redefining marriage, so what's to stop pedophiles from doing the same? They got your playbook and they covet your success.

Right...a law can be declared unConstitutional...with Constitutional basis. What basis have you got to legalize pedophilia. Share with us your reasoning.

Don't need to. That trail has already been blazed by you guys.

 

[bodecea]

Oh....DO tell us more about your "qualifications" for sex.

That reminds me of that Focus on the Family article where the Founder, James Dodson suggested that fathers shower with their young sons, show them their penis' and that would keep them straight. He also suggested that parents teach boys to pound round pegs in round holes to keep them straight too.

 

[hipeter924]

No more than anyone else. I know, it sucks.

Exactly. Ergo, marriage rights....just like anyone else. That was easy for you to come to now, wasn't it?

They had the same rights as everyone else without gay marriage. Fail.

Wrong....we have been discriminated against based on gender. But you don't need to sign your posts anymore. We know.

No you haven't. Marriage laws allow anyone to marry an unrelated person of the opposite sex. This applies no matter what your gender is. Ergo, no discrimination. Invincible logic.

Not anymore in most states.

 

[bodecea]

Then we're good to go here, given that no one is being prohibited from marrying anyone, as long as they apply with only one other person and that person is a member of the distinct gender.

A standard which is applied EQUALLY, throughout the entire United States and without exception.

Why does it need to be a "distinct gender"? That automatically is discrimminatory. Heteros can marry the person they love. Homos can not.

"the person they love" seriously?

Give me another law that changes based on what someone wants.

If a bi-sexual wants to marry based on "love", they should be able to marry the man and woman of their choice.

Anyone that limits them is a bigot.

Mark

You don't seem to understand what the word "bi-sexual" means.

It means the same as Santa Clause. Doesn't exist.

"Santa Clause"

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Why do gays NEED to adopt children, again? this itself seems like a phony argument that becomes a self fulfilling rationalization, along the lines of: Gays need rights because they have children so we need to protect that, because they LOVE their children and their spouses....That is the most irrational cyclical argument floating out in internet land. Gays can't HAVE children, there for, they don't need parental rights, which is all marriage comes down to. Period, it is that simple.

Well, I adopted our daughter in order to protect my parental rights. Why does ANYONE "need" to adopt children? Answer than one.

My guess is that you adopted your daughter because you fucked up. Is that right?

Mark

Totally incorrect. She was lovingly planned by my wife and I. She had her...I adopted her. One of the best things in our lives.

Where's her father? Whether you got sperm at a sperm bank or have a father that you keep out of the picture, one way or another you perverted the natural order to have your arrangement and delusion. It was entirely a self centered act.

We had a sperm donor....a wonderful service that was actually generated decades ago for childless straight couples and now also used by gay couples.

Gay couples, you mean people who intentionally set up a situation that cannot bring children into the world naturally, unlike married folks for whom childlessness was an unfortunate vicissitude. Not quite the same, is it?

 

[80zephyr]

You say it's sexually harassing, but what if they consent to it?[...]

When you can find an infant that can actually have sex with an adult and consent to it, let me know.

And yet again, you are using your values of adulthood to make your determination.

You are a "bigot"[...]

Meh. If I wanted to waste time I could play name games like you, but I really don't see the point.

Really? Translation: I have no answer. Therefore, I chose not to.

If you have a standard that you will not cross, you are, by definition, a bigot.

Sorry that upsets you.

Mark

I put you on ignore the moment you started spouting BS. If I wanted to be trolled I could visit 4chan.

If opposing viewpoints bother you, I can see why you did that. Especially since you have no answer to my concerns.

Mark

 

[bodecea]

Children can not legally consent.

Define children.Mark

The legislature defines that and age of consent.

You have no worry in your absurd world about pedophiles and age of consent.

You are absurd, absurd, absurd.

The children of the next generation of your religious groups are going to be saying, "Our parents were meat heads."

But any law can be overturned that's found to have violated somebody's "civil rights". We just witnessed that in action. Somehow "it's the law" didn't work to stop gays from redefining marriage, so what's to stop pedophiles from doing the same? They got your playbook and they covet your success.

Right...a law can be declared unConstitutional...with Constitutional basis. What basis have you got to legalize pedophilia. Share with us your reasoning.

Don't need to. That trail has already been blazed by you guys.

How so? What is it SPECIFICALLY about legalized gay marriage that opens any legal door for pedophilia?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Oh....DO tell us more about your "qualifications" for sex.

That reminds me of that Focus on the Family article where the Founder, James Dodson suggested that fathers shower with their young sons, show them their penis' and that would keep them straight. He also suggested that parents teach boys to pound round pegs in round holes to keep them straight too.

James Dobson did all that? Or are you telling more lies?

 

[bodecea]

Exactly. Ergo, marriage rights....just like anyone else. That was easy for you to come to now, wasn't it?

They had the same rights as everyone else without gay marriage. Fail.

Wrong....we have been discriminated against based on gender. But you don't need to sign your posts anymore. We know.

No you haven't. Marriage laws allow anyone to marry an unrelated person of the opposite sex. This applies no matter what your gender is. Ergo, no discrimination. Invincible logic.

Not anymore in most states.

And their arguments are so preciously archaic too.

 

[hipeter924]

When you can find an infant that can actually have sex with an adult and consent to it, let me know.

And yet again, you are using your values of adulthood to make your determination.

You are a "bigot"[...]

Meh. If I wanted to waste time I could play name games like you, but I really don't see the point.

Really? Translation: I have no answer. Therefore, I chose not to.

If you have a standard that you will not cross, you are, by definition, a bigot.

Sorry that upsets you.

Mark

I put you on ignore the moment you started spouting BS. If I wanted to be trolled I could visit 4chan.

If opposing viewpoints bother you, I can see why you did that. Especially since you have no answer to my concerns.

Mark

Two can play your game.

I know how that upsets you.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Define children.Mark

The legislature defines that and age of consent.

You have no worry in your absurd world about pedophiles and age of consent.

You are absurd, absurd, absurd.

The children of the next generation of your religious groups are going to be saying, "Our parents were meat heads."

But any law can be overturned that's found to have violated somebody's "civil rights". We just witnessed that in action. Somehow "it's the law" didn't work to stop gays from redefining marriage, so what's to stop pedophiles from doing the same? They got your playbook and they covet your success.

Right...a law can be declared unConstitutional...with Constitutional basis. What basis have you got to legalize pedophilia. Share with us your reasoning.

Don't need to. That trail has already been blazed by you guys.

How so? What is it SPECIFICALLY about legalized gay marriage that opens any legal door for pedophilia?

Your twisted interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

 

[bodecea]

Well, I adopted our daughter in order to protect my parental rights. Why does ANYONE "need" to adopt children? Answer than one.

My guess is that you adopted your daughter because you fucked up. Is that right?

Mark

Totally incorrect. She was lovingly planned by my wife and I. She had her...I adopted her. One of the best things in our lives.

Where's her father? Whether you got sperm at a sperm bank or have a father that you keep out of the picture, one way or another you perverted the natural order to have your arrangement and delusion. It was entirely a self centered act.

We had a sperm donor....a wonderful service that was actually generated decades ago for childless straight couples and now also used by gay couples.

Gay couples, you mean people who intentionally set up a situation that cannot bring children into the world naturally, unlike married folks for whom childlessness was an unfortunate vicissitude. Not quite the same, is it?

Legally, it is.

 

[hipeter924]

They had the same rights as everyone else without gay marriage. Fail.

Wrong....we have been discriminated against based on gender. But you don't need to sign your posts anymore. We know.

No you haven't. Marriage laws allow anyone to marry an unrelated person of the opposite sex. This applies no matter what your gender is. Ergo, no discrimination. Invincible logic.

Not anymore in most states.

And their arguments are so preciously archaic too.

Half the time you can't tell if they are being serious or just trolling.

 

[80zephyr]

You just said that the age of consent is a social overlay, so who's to say our culture is right and the culture in Saudi Arabia is wrong? What if children are ready for sex by the age of 12? Who are you to stand in the way of their love and their civil rights?

I'm arguing from a scientific viewpoint that recognizes that sexual exploitation of prebuscent children is very damaging to the child. In addition, child marriages in areas that do allow it are often very damaging to the girl - physically (because she is not mature enough for child birth), educationally (because her education stops) and she is frequently a victim of abuse. "Age of consent" is cultural in that it spans an age from 12-18 (a few have no minimum) but child advocate groups are trying to make it at least 16.

You are arguing from a scientific viewpoint? Me to. Men cannot have "sex" with other men. Neither can women.

Check, Mate.

Mark

Oh....DO tell us more about your "qualifications" for sex.

I don't need qualifications to understand reality.

You are not having sex. Sex is procreation. You cannot procreate.

Mark

So sex is only for procreation? Oh you poor beknighted soul.

I can see that people who disagree with me follow a pattern of not reading what I post.

I'm used to it.

Mark

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

My guess is that you adopted your daughter because you fucked up. Is that right?

Mark

Totally incorrect. She was lovingly planned by my wife and I. She had her...I adopted her. One of the best things in our lives.

Where's her father? Whether you got sperm at a sperm bank or have a father that you keep out of the picture, one way or another you perverted the natural order to have your arrangement and delusion. It was entirely a self centered act.

We had a sperm donor....a wonderful service that was actually generated decades ago for childless straight couples and now also used by gay couples.

Gay couples, you mean people who intentionally set up a situation that cannot bring children into the world naturally, unlike married folks for whom childlessness was an unfortunate vicissitude. Not quite the same, is it?

Legally, it is.

So you admit that morality is not the centerpiece of your movement.

Not that I needed your confirmation.

 

[80zephyr]

My guess is that you adopted your daughter because you fucked up. Is that right?

Mark

Totally incorrect. She was lovingly planned by my wife and I. She had her...I adopted her. One of the best things in our lives.

Where's her father? Whether you got sperm at a sperm bank or have a father that you keep out of the picture, one way or another you perverted the natural order to have your arrangement and delusion. It was entirely a self centered act.

We had a sperm donor....a wonderful service that was actually generated decades ago for childless straight couples and now also used by gay couples.

Gay couples, you mean people who intentionally set up a situation that cannot bring children into the world naturally, unlike married folks for whom childlessness was an unfortunate vicissitude. Not quite the same, is it?

Legally, it is.

You are correct. Logically? Not so much.

Mark

 

[bodecea]

Oh....DO tell us more about your "qualifications" for sex.

That reminds me of that Focus on the Family article where the Founder, James Dodson suggested that fathers shower with their young sons, show them their penis' and that would keep them straight. He also suggested that parents teach boys to pound round pegs in round holes to keep them straight too.

James Dobson did all that? Or are you telling more lies?

Yes, let me pull up reference to the article. It was a hoot when it came out.

Quickest copy I found is quoted in Free Republic... Can Homosexuality Be Treated and Prevented James Dobson Ph.D. Child Development

.this is my favorite part:

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Oh....DO tell us more about your "qualifications" for sex.

That reminds me of that Focus on the Family article where the Founder, James Dodson suggested that fathers shower with their young sons, show them their penis' and that would keep them straight. He also suggested that parents teach boys to pound round pegs in round holes to keep them straight too.

James Dobson did all that? Or are you telling more lies?

Yes, let me pull up reference to the article. It was a hoot when it came out.

Quickest copy I found is quoted in Free Republic... Can Homosexuality Be Treated and Prevented James Dobson Ph.D. Child Development

.this is my favorite part:

Meanwhile, the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

So you admit you were lying about James Dobson, as nothing you cited confirms what you claimed he said.

You are the demonic Left.

 

[bodecea]

The legislature defines that and age of consent.

You have no worry in your absurd world about pedophiles and age of consent.

You are absurd, absurd, absurd.

The children of the next generation of your religious groups are going to be saying, "Our parents were meat heads."

But any law can be overturned that's found to have violated somebody's "civil rights". We just witnessed that in action. Somehow "it's the law" didn't work to stop gays from redefining marriage, so what's to stop pedophiles from doing the same? They got your playbook and they covet your success.

Right...a law can be declared unConstitutional...with Constitutional basis. What basis have you got to legalize pedophilia. Share with us your reasoning.

Don't need to. That trail has already been blazed by you guys.

How so? What is it SPECIFICALLY about legalized gay marriage that opens any legal door for pedophilia?

Your twisted interpretation of the 14th Amendment.

Hello? I'm not seeing your SPECIFIC point in legalized gay marriage that opens the legal door for pedophilia. Did you forget to post it?